what is the source of Villar and Gibo's Wealth?

[hulagway]

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at the RTC level and CA level, I can say nga daghan ang mudawat diha. At the SC level, i cannot really say for sure, individually, daghan mga bootan diha.

davide, panganiban, even the current CJ is known to be very clean. again, i cannot say everyone is dirty kay 15 man na sila kabook.

ok...you mean mudawat kanang i pa pildi o ipadaug ang case in favor sa ni bayad? woowwwww..dili lang d i ang politiko ang corrupt...halos tanan d i..pro as a lawyer sir..dili baka pwde maka file ug case against sa mga ingani nga practices? dili lang ikaw ha ako g mean pati pud uban nga mga tarong nga lawyer...

so corruption can never be erase,,sakto jud d i..

[raski]

that imelda decision was one of the worst decision. win some. lose some. but do not dwell too much on the Supreme Court, a composition which will change over time.

it is the obligation of the lower level courts like the MTC and the RTC or sandiganbaan to convict low level officials or high level officials. supreme court is just the final arbiter. but not the end all and be all of justice.

It takes a very, very long time for the composition of the SC to change. As of right now, the SC is composed nearly 100% of Arroyo appointees. It will be decades before the SC composition changes to the extent that this will no longer be the case. And worse, the new appointees will just come from the lower Court of Appeals, which is also stacked with corrupt and dishonest justices (as you yourself concede).

The funny thing is, as I said before, there are many convictions secured at the MTC, RTC and Sandiganbayan which are overturned by the Supreme Court for some made up technicality or messed up interpretation that allows the culprits to squeeze through a legal loophole, some loopholes made specially just for that particular case and situation, but which have ramnifications for all future cases, making future convictions less likely and more difficult. This is because every ruling at the Supreme Court serves as jurisprudence (law) for future cases, as you should know, being a lawyer that you are. That is why the judiciary IS the key to solving corruption, and any President serious about going after corrupt people will have to fix the justice system FIRST, even above and beyond fixing the executive branch. Without a clean and efficient justice system, there will never be a solution to corruption because the chances of going to jail for corrupt practices is practically nil. You increase the risk of jail time for these crimes, and you will automatically disincentivize the commission of the crimes. It's simple logic.

Another great weakness in our justice system is caused by the 1986 Constitution itself, which is obsessed with due process and has required a standard of evidence that goes well beyond the reasonable doubt principle used in other jurisdictions. For example, in other couuntries some important cases can be elevated immediately to the Supreme Court in order to fast-track the decision. In our country, the process has to go from RTC - CA/Sandiganbayan - Supreme Court, even though we all know that corrupt people when convicted are going to appeal all the way to the Supreme Court anyway! That is what you call a royal waste of time, but the Constitution requires it all in the name of due process. This almost anal implementation of due process clause is making a mockery of our justice system. By the time the case reaches the Supreme Court, the culprits will have long enjoyed the perks and excesses of their corruption, and worse, they may have amassed even more ill-gotten wealth which they will then use to grease the hands of the SC justices.

[dcr15]

great points raski. just like the concept of annulment? why the heck do we have to let annulment cases reach the supreme court. sayang sa oras.

[dcr15]

hmm, now that bro. mike velarde has admitted he was paid by the government 1.2b dollars for his properties hit by the realignment.

mike velarde is supporting villar. villar is also accused of realignment pare makabenefit iya properties.

hmm. ngano kaha amigo kaayo ni si villar ug si velarde da.

[raski]

Pero was villar involved in the payment to velarde of P1.2 billion? There are so many accusations but no actual evidence. We know there's some impropriety there, the question is, wasn't there also an issue with Noynoy and SCLEX and undue influence while he was congressman? Hacienda Luisita also benefited greatly from that SCLEX project. IF the only evidence of wrongdoing is that someone benefited from a project, then Noynoy too should be considered guilty. I am not saying that he is, but I am saying that we need to be careful not to go too far to the extreme of completely denying due process. When I said that due process is excessive in this country, I do not mean also that we completely ignore it. We have to be responsible as well in our accusations. The insinuation that Villar and Velarde are friends because they both benefited from different government eminent domain payments is misleading. The only thing you can say is that it is a coincidence. Whether or not there is an actual link demands a higher standard of evidence than to merely say that one supports the other. I am sure there are some shady people who support Noynoy too, that is simply the way of politics in this country.

[surikbots]

Pero was villar involved in the payment to velarde of P1.2 billion? There are so many accusations but no actual evidence. We know there's some impropriety there, the question is, wasn't there also an issue with Noynoy and SCLEX and undue influence while he was congressman? Hacienda Luisita also benefited greatly from that SCLEX project. IF the only evidence of wrongdoing is that someone benefited from a project, then Noynoy too should be considered guilty. I am not saying that he is, but I am saying that we need to be careful not to go too far to the extreme of completely denying due process. When I said that due process is excessive in this country, I do not mean also that we completely ignore it. We have to be responsible as well in our accusations. The insinuation that Villar and Velarde are friends because they both benefited from different government eminent domain payments is misleading. The only thing you can say is that it is a coincidence. Whether or not there is an actual link demands a higher standard of evidence than to merely say that one supports the other. I am sure there are some shady people who support Noynoy too, that is simply the way of politics in this country.

If you are sure, can you GUESS, guess lang, who are the shady people who support Noynoy?

[space.viviti.com]

Si villar real state..si gibo Cojuangco

[brangelina]

obviously the got money from the government! both of them are under GMA's care! villar got more rich through government projects!

[peewee_toot]

^^sure? any links please...

[coolninz]

sounds convincing...hehehe.. nindot ni dah.. dghan ta mahibaw an..