ummmm,im not biased and i dont know any of you,but when i look at the posts at the top which includes the quotes of the two parties,i would have to agree that fingolfin is correct.he never attacked the poster,only the post (Note:"but then again how can you have understanding when all you do is read other people's work and spend zero time burning your own lamp", thats where you made your mistake Jude,thats the first insult i have seen since the begginning of the discussion). And right after that,youve been insulting everyone...which kinda sucks and made me wonder why you would post this complaint at all in the first place and your goal was expose fingolfin as being abusive,which now clearly shows that its you. Also made me wonder why other people started posting that this is about the discussion between beliefs,which in my opinion clearly isnt since the title of the thread is about fingolfin being abusive.