I believe in God but I hate the church...

[AmorsoloX]

Then how are we educated by scientific point of view, do we learn science by ourselves, can we construe being brainwashed by science by learning through the facts gathered by scientific personalities. I think it's not a process of mind setting but merely learning, the same as in religion.

we can also be brainwashed with false science.. example would be the theory before that the sun revolved around the earth.. during that time, there was nothing that could verify that this wasnt true.. so therefore that time, it was considered true...

learning religion and science is a lot different... science deals with impirical formulas and anything that has substance.. religion does not..

in science... 10 stone + 10 stones equals 20 stone because it is so.. and can be proven by direct counting..

in religion... 3 stones + 3 stones equals tonnes of bread because god said so.. if you dissagree.. he will smite you....

but we shouldnt descredit religion here, afterall.. religion came first before science.... when people started to prove wrong their beliefs and superstitions (religions), they started to use reason and logic to understand what the world around them...

[cptn_star]

the thing i hate about organized religion is i consider it an insult to mans intellect, reason, and freewill...

its like it is saying...

"u are not smart enough or good enough to think for yourself. We will do your thinking for you"

and

"if you dont follow what we say, you will be condemend to an eternity of fire and brimstone"

it may not directly rob us of our physical freedom like a jail cell, but it is robbing us of our intellectual freedom... all organized religion does not promote its followers to question the religion's teachings... in the past, even until know.. many people died and killed in the name of religion.. examples would be the inquisition, the suicide bombers, honor killings..

a religion imposes us restrictions on what we should eat, wear, play with,read, etc.. and it doesnt want us to question such restrictions... it doesnt want us to question why eating bacon is unclean...

intellectual slavery is a fate worse than physical slavery.. intellectual slavery is more subtle... you may not know it, but you may already be a slave to your doctrine... it discourages you from questioning things beyond its limits.. in simple words... its a subtle way of brainwashing...

PRIDE...the five letter word that sent lucifer into a spinning crash to hell together with his demons...

[cptn_star]

.. i totally agree with this. Religion has tons of restrictions but if you ask the reason they will just say, it's the will of God.

.. and in terms of brainwashing, it is very rampant amongst the extreme religious groups, such as those in surigao, who was that guy again, kindly help me remember. He brainwashed those pitiful ignorant people who lived in the island, claiming that he is a descendant of god, blah blah blah, and the people believed him and he manipulated and abused those people.

is this apollo quiboloy?

[AmorsoloX]

.. i totally agree with this. Religion has tons of restrictions but if you ask the reason they will just say, it's the will of God.

.. and in terms of brainwashing, it is very rampant amongst the extreme religious groups, such as those in surigao, who was that guy again, kindly help me remember. He brainwashed those pitiful ignorant people who lived in the island, claiming that he is a descendant of god, blah blah blah, and the people believed him and he manipulated and abused those people.

i really hate religions that use the gullibility of its members to advance the agendas of the leaders..

an example would be the suicide bombers killing themselves and many others in the name of their religion while their religious leaders are having a good life inside their temples... and they are aiming for political goals.. not spiritual ones...

[Tirong-say]

we can also be brainwashed with false science.. example would be the theory before that the sun revolved around the earth.. during that time, there was nothing that could verify that this wasnt true.. so therefore that time, it was considered true...

learning religion and science is a lot different... science deals with impirical formulas and anything that has substance.. religion does not..

in science... 10 stone + 10 stones equals 20 stone because it is so.. and can be proven by direct counting..

in religion... 3 stones + 3 stones equals tonnes of bread because god said so.. if you dissagree.. he will smite you....

but we shouldnt descredit religion here, afterall.. religion came first before science.... when people started to prove wrong their beliefs and superstitions (religions), they started to use reason and logic to understand what the world around them...

Sorry but mathematics is not a science,
The essentials of science are:

1. Evidence gathered in experiments and observations.
2. Theories about the evidence, theories that move from the particular to the general.
3. The requirement that contradicting evidence falsify a theory.

Source:
Is Mathematics a Science?

Theory is the same as believing the same as in religion, something not yet factual based on natural science, but there's a possibility that it will be.

[fingolfin]

Sorry but mathematics is not a science,
The essentials of science are:

1. Evidence gathered in experiments and observations.
2. Theories about the evidence, theories that move from the particular to the general.
3. The requirement that contradicting evidence falsify a theory.

Source:
Is Mathematics a Science?

Theory is the same as believing the same as in religion, something not yet factual based on natural science, but there's a possibility that it will be.

.. this is quite shocking. nyehehehe... you're the only person here who believes that mathematics isnt science. Damn. Just by reading that article you concluded that math isnt science I hope you're not doing this for the sake of posting or for the sake of arguement. Is this really your conviction towards mathematics ?? coz if it is ... yikes.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Mathematics is the language of science.

[Tirong-say]

.. this is quite shocking. nyehehehe... you're the only person here who believes that mathematics isnt science. Damn. Just by reading that article you concluded that math isnt science I hope you're not doing this for the sake of posting or for the sake of arguement. Is this really your conviction towards mathematics ?? coz if it is ... yikes.

Albert Einstein, on the other hand, stated that "as far as the laws of mathematics refer to reality, they are not certain; and as far as they are certain, they do not refer to reality."[6]

Extracted from:
Mathematics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

mathematics deals with the abstract, yet it is certain and cannot be argued, while science is founded on systematic representation of things,such as experiments,both of them are not better but the best for they give us concrete and certain knowledge.

[AmorsoloX]

Mathematics is the language of science.

agree with this...

to the guy refuting this statement

if this aint true.. try explaining science without mathematics.. basic arithmetic (math) is basic logic...

what you may refer as inconclusive may be the empirical mathematical models that simulate the universe around us.. but they are a lot better than just by saying "kay naa ginoo... period"... to study the mathematical models require higher intelligence... it is putting to good use the divine inteligence' gift of reason and logic... as against to saying "si god ra kabalo... period" which requires less thought and imagination.. and therefore is a sign of mental laziness..

[Tirong-say]

OT: Please allow me to give an analogy, could one consider a tractor to be the farm, it's a part of the farm, but not actually produced the farms products.

@T: If GOD create the his church and you are against that church, then what you are to GOD.