Why Is God Always Innocent?

[chad_tukes]

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But you miss the obvious, Jesus never repudiates the Old Scriptures nor the 'mean-spirited' God you say written in it. Jesus came because He knows what awaits those who continue to defy God and the 'mean spirited' god character you read in the OT is nothing more than what we called movie trailers- 'patikim pa lang yan'. Wait when you will see the millions of millions that will be thrown over to the 'lake of fire' for eternity. That is why Jesus's "...There will be gnashing of teeth.." whenever He stressed the utmost importance of every man's repentance for their sins.

...and where exactly is this "lake of fire" that GOD continues to threaten us with? where is this hellish place that pastors use to blackmail people spiritually? are there lots of naked women there too? please guide me.

[chad_tukes]

quick question for a quite logical person:

1. how did you know that Abraham's Son was scared?..

how did you know he wasn't? just because the authors of the Bible didn't write that he was scared, doesn't mean he wasn't actually scared, does it? if you put your own son in that same situation, don't you think your son would be scared TOO?

2. how did you know that the kid suffer any psychological trauma after the attempt on killing him?..

how did you know that the kid didn't suffer any psychological trauma? again, the Bible is full of sugar-coated stuff. in real life, if you put your own son in that situation, basin madala na niya hantud nig ka dako niya, mag cge na'g haunt niya ang thought nga once upon a time, his father tried to kill him because of his faith in GOD.

[treize]

sir..during the inquisition or ww2?..naa bai nabuhat ang balaod sa ginoo?..what tangible evidences na atoang makita to say that god punished those people involved because they disobeyed his commandements...even the pope..wla gani nya syay nabuhat (when in fact he could've really done something if he really wanted to) when jews were being rounded up in europe..he said that he can't do nothing about it but offer prayers..the laws of man has much wider influence in dictating the morality of the world...cguro you'd say that he used the laws of man as an instrument in exacting retribution for disobeying his laws...how convenient.

hmm.. hehehe.. you cant see the consequences of his commandments yet until your done with your life here on earth.. he gave us free will so that we can do whatever we wish to do here on earth and it's up to us wether to follow his commandments or not.. you will get your judgement once your done with your life here.. hope you see the point..

[dartzed]

how did you know he wasn't? just because the authors of the Bible didn't write that he was scared, doesn't mean he wasn't actually scared, does it? if you put your own son in that same situation, don't you think your son would be scared TOO?

ooops well that's too bad, for you to prove it you should give evidences for your claim to be credible.. just like in a crime scene a suspect can never be imprisoned without any evidence..

hmmmmmm what if his son was not scared because his son offered himself to God too?..

how did you know that the kid didn't suffer any psychological trauma? again, the Bible is full of sugar-coated stuff. in real life, if you put your own son in that situation, basin madala na niya hantud nig ka dako niya, mag cge na'g haunt niya ang thought nga once upon a time, his father tried to kill him because of his faith in GOD.

bro do you have any idea what will happen to a child who suffer psychological trauma?..

if you do, would you please state all of the possibilities here as much as you can..

[Existanz]

so murag ingon ani..."god i love you so much..you know that very well..but just in case..you can put me through hell if need be just para naa lang jd kai peace of mind..so i guess professing your faith isn't enough for god..who knows everything..but he needs you to suffer first just to prove it?..to know for yourself how far you can go in terms of suffering...laina oi..no offense but it seems sadistic.

Medyo wa nimo na-gets ako pasabot Ramz...what I mean was God does not test us simply because He has no idea how much faith we have in Him. Rather the test was meant for us who claim we believe (deep in our heart we though we have faith or so we thought) in Him and sometimes think we can do what Job went into for God.

It will be sadistic if you can show it to me that God derives some amount of pleasure from it, otherwise you're just being defiant in the thought that God do show it to people what's their words amounts to. This is perhaps God's way of letting people judge themselves by their own words.

but god knows that some people who profess their faith isn't hot air..why not inform the devil na.."ayaw na sya hilabti kai dli na hot air iyang profession of faith..kadto lang usa kai nagpahambog ra na."

The Devil does not pester those who is already belongs to him...what piss him off is for people making their way easy to God, even if they are worth it. Jesus said about people being 'thresh out' like wheat, but I don't believe just because God (being All-powerful) is too dumb about it (duh, He even knows what is in each of man's heart) and has this need to evaluate 'individually' people. Of course everything is hypothetical...I'm just trying to make sense of it.

aahh...you mean when he was still lucifer the angel?..you know being from a catholic school..i've always been under the impression that angels don't have freewill..only god gave man freewill.

Only dumb animals have no freewill...I could not think sentient being without freewill. Perhaps if it could only be shown that Angels do act like 1's and 0's we have in our computers then I guess they don't have it- freewill.

But the fact is the Bible speaks about an open-rebellion and the war that ensued should quash any arguments whether angels have freewill.

mura man ug frat...kbaw na baya ang mga higher ups sa usa ka fraternity na ang ilang mga pledgee kai loyal jd nila and knows that they'd go at great lengths in proving it..like musugot sila na daug-daugon, pakauwawan and other forms of humiliation..but regardless they're still being paddled just to prove once more their loyalty to the fraternity. so that..

Do you know whats the motivation of freestyle climbers, bungee jumpers and other death defying sports that seems to us (who are chickens!) rather dumb, besides the usual money and fame stuff?

Would you believe if I say to you that I finish college say- after 10 years. And for 10 years I hated both my old man and God for that without ever accepting the fact that it was really me who ****ed it up in the first place? I would not be surprised if the Devil feel the same thing regarding to his fall- unfortunately for him God can not add more of His grace to him since he had already the perfect vision of God.

But after I did surmount everything (albeit because of anger) and finish college, I looked back and realized the beauty of making it out the hard way was priceless...I would not have it any other way if given the chance. Those bad times made me what I am today- this thinking me. And it blew me away when I realized that all those was meant really to call what is the real me inside. I love what I have become today even if I'm still struggling to raise my family...

In fact in this world, nothing that we came to value comes the easy way...Freedom, Love, Honor..etc..we would not have known the meaning of what we came to believe until we prove it to ourselves...and we may never know if we really have faith and trust God unless God will show it to us...and most of the time people will realized this at the eleventh hour of their lives.

God does not punish...nor test people because He is has no idea about people's faith.

[Existanz]

Ok..then i guess my being a fan of the saying "Lead by example" doesn't apply to god..

God does not lead...He rules.

no..i kinda disagree with this one..god doesn't completely abhors murders..he uses it carefully.

Man do commits murders because of their envy, lust and greed. God does not murder because He usually forewarns people who stands on His path and send them Prophets.

[Existanz]

...and where exactly is this "lake of fire" that GOD continues to threaten us with? where is this hellish place that pastors use to blackmail people spiritually? are there lots of naked women there too? please guide me.

Hahaha!! don't be in hurry Chad to jump in their...enjoy your freedom for a little while. Life is too short you know...and then the curtains fall for you.

Sure lots of naked women in there...but be sure to ask the Wish master that they should look like those I see on the centerfold of Hustler otherwise you will spent eternity with ogling ugly naked women from the creeps nyehehe!...very tricky this Wish-master (I love the movie).

[necrotic freak]

...and where exactly is this "lake of fire" that GOD continues to threaten us with? where is this hellish place that pastors use to blackmail people spiritually? are there lots of naked women there too? please guide me.

Yes chad there are lots of naked women there but you'll be disappointed coz they all have no pussies!

[Tirong-say]

tell that to those who lost a loved one from the hands of a biblehugger who claims to be tested by his GOD.

People are capable of slitting a baby's throat if they are convinced they are following GOD's orders.

What happened to Abraham before is just a test of will exclusive to Abraham only. There's nothing written and to be followed as to slit the throat of babies in order to gratify GOD.
No life was lost during the test of Abraham, for his will of being faithful to GOD is the sole thing being tested not the act itself.

[Tirong-say]

of course it was the devil..the devil asked for a go signal from god to do evil things on job..so when he received the go signal the devil went on a rampage..in my opinion..God just used the devil for his own ends..the devil was just manipulated by god to do stuff he can't do..he'll do it if he could but he couldn't so he used the devil nlang..

It's GOD manifestation that Man even with his shortcomings and imperfect tendencies could still adhere and follow what should be righteous and divine. GOD did not used the devil but challenged him to attest that his creation could withstand all the wraths that the devil could muster and still in the end will not lose faith towards GOD.

yes job did overcome the devil..pero in the first place god already knew that job will never give up on him..so okay ra na kuhaon sa ginoo ang tanan ni job pinaagi sa yawa..if maghimo kog analogy murag ingon ani: Magkita mo sa imong uyab sa ayala around 3pm....now kabaw jd ka na patay kaayo nmo imong uyab sa imoha...so para lang ma test nimo iyang gugma para nimo..wla ka nitunga sa ayala pag 3pm pero niabot kag 8pm hinoon pero naa ghapon imong uyab didto until that time..pero namuti nang mata sa paghinuwat nmo..but still she was able to wait for you until that time..now going back to job...wla man koi makita na rason kng nganong gsugtan sa ginoo na buhaton to sa yawa..job..in the first place never did anything maskn once to displease god..unlike uban dinha na tagaan lang gani ug grasya sa ginoo wan-a malimot na dayon..so in my opinion it's unfair for job pd to be treated that way..even if nisugot pa si job na ipakuha tanan..his consent can't justify why god allowed misfortune to befall on hapless job...we shouldn't be taking advantage of anyone na nagmahal natog maayo just for the sake of proving it to someone else na grabe ilang devotion nato..sa akoa gani tan-aw maypa nipili nlang sila(god and devil) ug usa ka tao na medyo dli religious ug dli pd maldito..just to even things up for the devil..kai in the first place ang devil rai gbuang sa ginoo..

We were made perfect before, but instead chose to be imperfect, we were powerless in withstanding the temptation that the devil offered. There's always a big reason to test.

Kung in love kaayo nako akong uyab sa SM, unya kahibalo ko nga pang-cats pud kaayo siya kinahanglan ako pud testingan kung matinud-anon ba gyud siya nako.

god doesn't need to have faith on someone...he already knows that job will never let him down or denounce him..he's supposed to be all powerful and all knowing so faith is out of the question..im sure if there's really a god out there he'll forgive everyone..coming from an extremely christian school i remembered this line from the book of samuel i think or somewhere in the bible..it said: "...love is patient...love doesn't keep a record of wrongs..." god is love man kaha dba..so im sure ma quits rana tanan..

No for in the Garden of Eden we are already lost but GOD's love gave us another chance to be with him and to be perfect once again. GOD gave us freewill and faith.