Why Is God Always Innocent?

[treize]

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god doesn't need to have faith on someone...he already knows that job will never let him down or denounce him..he's supposed to be all powerful and all knowing so faith is out of the question..im sure if there's really a god out there he'll forgive everyone..coming from an extremely christian school i remembered this line from the book of samuel i think or somewhere in the bible..it said: "...love is patient...love doesn't keep a record of wrongs..." god is love man kaha dba..so im sure ma quits rana tanan..

og mao nang istoryaha ang tanang tao diha na mahadlok mobuhat og daotan kay ma quits ra man tanan... tsk! tsk! tsk! unsa kahay resulta sa?

[Existanz]

^how about studies of people who resort to FAITH to address the problem, instead of anti-depressants. *spoiler alert: they make good suicide bombers.

Oh! you mean to say you recommend anti-depressants to those depressed people in Gaza who are being overwhelmed by superior firepower from the IDF?

Do you think that your anti-depressants is much better than faith when people are being trash around by calamities? Why do you think filipinos had the strength to smile even in the middle of desolations? It's because they have faith and accept calamities matter of fact and don't go on and stick their middle finger at God...life is much easier with God that's the truth- it's much easier to accept bad things that is happening (ironically even our corrupt politicians).

why do you thinks faith talks works best to those who are BROKEN, hopeless, damaged and the likes?

coz its easy to pick sugar coated ones from the hard reality.

Oh no...you just can't accept the idea that God do make life miserable for us people. So you choice to think...no force yourself instead (Nietzsche's 'Will To Power') to believe that there is no God. You accept the hard reality of life without God defiantly and glorified in it...this shet-hole we called life. Hence your penchant on calling people in 'crutch' for believing God.

I don't believe God test people by this calamities nor think for a moment that it is His way of punishing those who are sinners. This is too lame for me. Since the world exist what it is now then it could be that that is how He wants it to be...for an All-powerful God to have allowed things to happen is the same as doing it by Himself.

This is of course makes a bad God for everyone but that's only if one does not trust God in His infinite wisdom why the world is what it is.

God giveth and God taketh... so who are we to complain? Even to mother Earth which giveth and we had been receiving so much without giving anything worthy in return back to her... and still we got the balls to complain when nature coughs once in a while because of our infantile stupidity as a race.

[Existanz]

@josephdc

bro i'd like to ask...is the christian god immune to his own commandment especially the 5th commandment? (though shalt not kill) if it's a sanctioned killing like syay nagsugo, or he himself did the act then it's excusable..or is it the same answer: that we shouldn't question his motives..or his judgement is beyond human understanding..if he abhors killing then why is it happening?

Then I should ask you also this: Did the 10 Commandments made for man or for God?

Nowhere in the Bible that says the 10 commandments was greater than the one who issued them. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW applies only to people not God. For only He can truly claim that He is THE LAW.

Nowhere in the Bible also says that He will not kill people even it also claim that God is Love. God abhors murders. Even Jesus never reprimand Peter for having sword simply because He abhors killing rather Jesus showed that there is something better than swords and that is - forgiveness.

[Existanz]

...the God in the Old Testament is perhaps the most mean-spirited character in all book mythology. thanks to him, he was smart enough to send the loving, caring, wisdom-filled Jesus Christ in the New Testament on earth totally opposite of him.

But you miss the obvious, Jesus never repudiates the Old Scriptures nor the 'mean-spirited' God you say written in it. Jesus came because He knows what awaits those who continue to defy God and the 'mean spirited' god character you read in the OT is nothing more than what we called movie trailers- 'patikim pa lang yan'. Wait when you will see the millions of millions that will be thrown over to the 'lake of fire' for eternity. That is why Jesus's "...There will be gnashing of teeth.." whenever He stressed the utmost importance of every man's repentance for their sins.

[Existanz]

...god doesn't need to have faith on someone...he already knows that job will never let him down or denounce him..he's supposed to be all powerful and all knowing so faith is out of the question..im sure if there's really a god out there he'll forgive everyone..coming from an extremely christian school i remembered this line from the book of samuel i think or somewhere in the bible..it said: "...love is patient...love doesn't keep a record of wrongs..." god is love man kaha dba..so im sure ma quits rana tanan..

God already knows what faith Job or Abraham has for Him...so everything could not be some form of test. As I see it, neither Abraham nor Job knows the deep of their faith to God, they only know that they have faith in God.

That test was not meant to test their faith but rather God puts them in a situation where they will know 'for themselves' how far they will walk with God in pain and misery- all for the Glory of God. One can always claim that they believe in God or have faith in Him better than anyone but until their word is proven for themselves (not for God's sake) it remains simply as such self assertion.

That is why bad things happens to 'test' people's faith not because God does not knows it, but rather a way to prove people of what they thought they have (faith in God). Whatever the outcomes eventually it's the people who profess those faith will know personally how far and how deep they will stay with God.

That is why bad things happens (usually) to those who profess they believe in God. The Devil really hates people who makes claims like this in front of God...because he knows until proven everything is simply hot air, to which perhaps he himself (Devil) did once claimed this in front of God but then it had been shown that he failed miserably himself...(scene from Constantine Lols!)

[dartzed]

you don't see the "almighty GOD" testing their faiths by having Abraham scare the crap out of his son by telling the kid he's about to die as toying. you don't see anything wrong with a kid having to endure such brutal psychological trauma as a result of an "almighty being" playing around the innocent little kid's head. because oh by the way, it was GOD's will and we never question it.

quick question for a quite logical person:

1. how did you know that Abraham's Son was scared?..

2. how did you know that the kid suffer any psychological trauma after the attempt on killing him?..

and if you don't mind can you define toying by all means based in your own logical idea..

[Ramini]

og mao nang istoryaha ang tanang tao diha na mahadlok mobuhat og daotan kay ma quits ra man tanan... tsk! tsk! tsk! unsa kahay resulta sa?

sir..during the inquisition or ww2?..naa bai nabuhat ang balaod sa ginoo?..what tangible evidences na atoang makita to say that god punished those people involved because they disobeyed his commandements...even the pope..wla gani nya syay nabuhat (when in fact he could've really done something if he really wanted to) when jews were being rounded up in europe..he said that he can't do nothing about it but offer prayers..the laws of man has much wider influence in dictating the morality of the world...cguro you'd say that he used the laws of man as an instrument in exacting retribution for disobeying his laws...how convenient.

[Ramini]

Then I should ask you also this: Did the 10 Commandments made for man or for God?

Nowhere in the Bible that says the 10 commandments was greater than the one who issued them. NO ONE IS ABOVE THE LAW applies only to people not God. For only He can truly claim that He is THE LAW.

Nowhere in the Bible also says that He will not kill people even it also claim that God is Love. God abhors murders. Even Jesus never reprimand Peter for having sword simply because He abhors killing rather Jesus showed that there is something better than swords and that is - forgiveness.

Ok..then i guess my being a fan of the saying "Lead by example" doesn't apply to god..

God abhors murders.

no..i kinda disagree with this one..god doesn't completely abhors murders..he uses it carefully.

[Ramini]

That is why bad things happens to 'test' people's faith not because God does not knows it, but rather a way to prove people of what they thought they have (faith in God). Whatever the outcomes eventually it's the people who profess those faith will know personally how far and how deep they will stay with God.

so murag ingon ani..."god i love you so much..you know that very well..but just in case..you can put me through hell if need be just para naa lang jd kai peace of mind..so i guess professing your faith isn't enough for god..who knows everything..but he needs you to suffer first just to prove it?..to know for yourself how far you can go in terms of suffering...laina oi..no offense but it seems sadistic.

The Devil really hates people who makes claims like this in front of God...because he knows until proven everything is simply hot air,

but god knows that some people who profess their faith isn't hot air..why not inform the devil na.."ayaw na sya hilabti kai dli na hot air iyang profession of faith..kadto lang usa kai nagpahambog ra na."

to which perhaps he himself (Devil) did once claimed this in front of God but then it had been shown that he failed miserably himself...(scene from Constantine Lols!)

aahh...you mean when he was still lucifer the angel?..you know being from a catholic school..i've always been under the impression that angels don't have freewill..only god gave man freewill.

That test was not meant to test their faith but rather God puts them in a situation where they will know 'for themselves' how far they will walk with God in pain and misery- all for the Glory of God.

mura man ug frat...kbaw na baya ang mga higher ups sa usa ka fraternity na ang ilang mga pledgee kai loyal jd nila and knows that they'd go at great lengths in proving it..like musugot sila na daug-daugon, pakauwawan and other forms of humiliation..but regardless they're still being paddled just to prove once more their loyalty to the fraternity. so that..

they will know 'for themselves' how far they will walk with God in pain and misery- all for the Glory of God (fraternity).

[dartzed]

sir..during the inquisition or ww2?..naa bai nabuhat ang balaod sa ginoo?..what tangible evidences na atoang makita to say that god punished those people involved because they disobeyed his commandements...even the pope..wla gani nya syay nabuhat (when in fact he could've really done something if he really wanted to) when jews were being rounded up in europe..he said that he can't do nothing about it but offer prayers..the laws of man has much wider influence in dictating the morality of the world...cguro you'd say that he used the laws of man as an instrument in exacting retribution for disobeying his laws...how convenient.

hmmmmmm let me clarify your point is you want God's Law to be the same with Man's law(make mistake then punished)?..