How did the concept (or idea) of God change your life?

[jamesmusslewhite]

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why do you feel sorry? because the "God" here is treated as a concept (or idea, or belief even) only and not as absolute reality?

if i would trace your "sorry", it would go back to feeling pity for the Modz..

but on closer to reality, none of you guys have even proven or given any evidence on absolute existence of "God".. so its only fairer to say that so far, as ANYONE can say, God as a concept (or idea.. or to cater more, as a belief) is more common to everyone else on a 99.999999999% basis.. because if someone has seen God, its sooooo minority jud..

so you can keep your sorry, and keep your pity to yourself.. nobody needs it really..

How did the concept (or Idea) of God change your life?Simple concept tell how religion or non-belief in God changed your life. Then what happened, it became a battle ground of Christians and Atheist and thread jacking and will wind up being CLOSED like around 20 other threads in the last couple of days. That is why I said,
"I feel sorry of the Mods who has to preside over this zoo."

and was meant only in light humor and a mild warning to cool the heals. It was not meant to reflect on the TS but damn if you did not jump on me. Yah, well I am now sorry that I said anything and you are right.I guess you should get your thread CLOSED. I just did not see where were we suppose to provide this required definitive proof to everyone on the existence of God? This must have been that Atheist hidden agenda, So me proof or your faith is stupid. So this was never meant to be anything but another thread designed for God bashing exercises.
How did the concept (or Idea) of God change my life? It exposed the sheer pettiness and inherent evil that lies in every man's heart. It showed me how few the number of men are willing to inspire to be better than their own preconceived accepted mediocrity. It exposes just who you can trust and provides a true consistent measure of their humanity and moral standing or lack there of. And exposes actions to be truths and words to be just words. It defines the definitive description of heroes and cowards. It gives me a moral compass, purpose, and faith. Find your own proof, I do not suffer from that inflection. That is your shortcomings not mine, sorry, maybe if you properly seek you would find. Stop trying to have others do the work for you.

I still feel sorry for the Mods who has to preside over this zoo

"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down to us. Pigs treat us as equals." - Sir Winston Churchill

[bluedes]

I have been on both sides of this fence. and have looked at this subject as a true believer of both concepts. I believe I am lucky that God allowed me to find my way back to the path. Most can not walk it and most can not even understand it. True Faith is too hard for weaker souls to bare, most do not have the heart. For those who want to scoff and ridicule my faith, I really do not care. I walk it, and that is all that matters to me. Judge me if you want, that Karma is yours to bare.

I rediscovered my faith and I will not waver again. I am a better man, husband, father, and neighbor because of my faith. If you think my path is wrong? So what! You have you own problems to bare without worrying about me and mine. I am a good citizen of this world, and a faithful family man, who takes care of all my responsibilities and am raising a good son. If you believe I am wrong in my beliefs then just keep to yourselves. I know you can not provide proof of your side no more than you can accept mine. Truth is you don't really know shit about faith, so shit is all you can talk. If you understood it, you would have it or at least you would not have to make such stupid comments or ask so many stupid questions. In death we will both know the truth.

This is a testament of my faith and not a debate issue.

but an alternative translation would be--

I have been on both sides of this fence. and have looked at this subject as a true proponent of both concepts. I think I am lucky that Science allowed me to find my way back to the path. Most can not walk it and most can not even understand it. True Knowledge and REASON is too hard for weaker sentient beings to bare, most do not have the will. For those who want to scoff and ridicule my stand, I really do not care. I walk it, and that is all that matters to me. Judge me if you want, that Karma (or Newton's 3rd law of Motion) is yours to bare.

I rediscovered my stand and I will not waver again. I am a better man, husband, father, and neighbor because of my conviction. If you think my path is wrong? So what! You have you own problems to bare without worrying about me and mine. I am a good citizen of this world, and a principled family man, who takes care of all my responsibilities and am raising a good son. If you believe I am wrong in my claim then just keep to yourselves. I know you can not provide proof of your side no more than you can accept mine. Truth is you don't really know shit about science, so shit is all you can talk. If you understood it, you would have it or at least you would not have to make such stupid comments or ask so many stupid questions. In death we will both know the truth.

This is a testament of my principles and not a debate issue.

but if you hear a man of principle, who uses knowledge and reason to manage his actions, I doubt he will be saying something like this.. its an irony and contradictory..

[bluedes]

@bluedes -I think no mortal man sees GOD...not unless you are dead maybe...


@James...How would you know that what you read is the truth when in fact there are many versions of the book? that's why it is as you say misinterpreted. I just can't understand why people tend to have a religion when you know already what God ask of you. What I have done on this life is between me and God, that's why I don't need religion to tell me what to do because religion are founded by men which as you say is flawed and they tend to create fanatics.

which is precisely why I just consider the idea or concept, instead of putting it out as absolute reality.. because fact of the matter is, nobody really has seen God..

personally, I'm an atheist with respect to the God of the religions.. I really cannot fathom myself believing in an invisible man up in heavens watching our every move..

but the mere idea of God has really influenced a lot of people, so that's my purpose for putting up this thread..

[bluedes]

and was meant only in light humor and a mild warning to cool the heals. It was not meant to reflect on the TS but damn if you did not jump on me. Yah, well I am now sorry that I said anything and you are right. You should get your thread CLOSED too, but you can keep this imaginary pity of yours. I just did not see where were we suppose to provide definitive proof to everyone on the existence of God? This must have been a personal hidden agenda, sorry I could not read you mind. It was not posted at the starting post of this thread. So this was never meant to be anything but another thread for God bashing exercises. I see a hidden agenda, sorry I did not get that.

How did the concept (or Idea) of God change my life? It exposed the sheer pettiness and inherent evil that lies in every man's heart. It showed me how few the number of men will inspire to be better than their own accepted mediocrity.

I still feel sorry for the Mods who has to preside over this zoo

"I like pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down to us. Pigs treat us as equals."
Sir Winston Churchill

i've no such hidden agenda of proving or disproving God.. that is futile, and if you read more about Godel's incompleteness theorem in mathematics, proving such axiomatic statements is impossible to do..

however, on the more definite version of God, which is a supposedly INFINITE being, (which is not really infinite since you are already defining him), that can be disproven easily..

[bluedes]

A question then to those who have faith? Would you die for your faith like the martyrs do? Would you sacrifice yourself and leave your family to serve your god where he needs you the most? I'm sorry for this questions but I'm just curious because there are a lot of hypocrites now a days saying they believe and yet are so blind to the truth? Faith is hard indeed because even in the Catholic Faith the disciple Peter closest friend of Jesus even lack faith in him that he nearly drowned. It's just funny that I find most of the people who have this religion think they are righteous and yet still their human instincts win, and that is to preserve oneself. That's only my opinion and I might be wrong.

yeah, i hear ya loud and clear.. when you consider all that, their god is just their own preservation..

[jamesmusslewhite]

he feels sorry for the mod (who btw, is an atheist) who presides over this zoo and can't do nothing but laugh at people like James.

The Mod may be an Atheist. But I have found the mods on this forum to be fair and balanced. But you are correct you should be able to get this thread closed.

I am use to being laughed at by small intellects on this forum. Atheist will try to censor Christians, because the concept of faith actually disturbs you. It is so simple yet beyond your ability to grasp. So you must laugh and scoff at those that possess it. It does not make you an intellect but far from it. Too proud to even see your own shortcomings, man still devolving further from the Garden. Wanting rather now to walk with the Apes instead of walking with God. Sorry the difference is I do not find it funny, just pathetic and sad.

[jamesmusslewhite]

but an alternative translation would be--



but if you hear a man of principle, who uses knowledge and reason to manage his actions, I doubt he will be saying something like this.. its an irony and contradictory..

Nice job start a thread so you can use a man's testimony, rewrite it in your words as to attack his testimony and character, for your own selfish agenda and demented amusement. Class act.

I will not make the mistake of assuming you are a honorable sort of man again. No there is a manipulative mean side to your nature, dark and vindictive, evil even but thank you for exposing it to me. Once you loose your respect it is lost. I forgive you, but Karma never forgets and it always evens things out in the end.

"Character" is something you are suppose to possess not be.

[bluedes]

The Mod may be an Atheist. But I have found the mods on this forum to be far and balanced. But you are correct you should be able to get this thread closed.

now why would u want to close this thread? because it threatens you? just goes to show how weak you are in your faith for a mere thread to threaten your faith..

i did not create this thread according to your own preconceived "hidden" agendas..

Nice job start a thread so you can use a man's testimony, rewrite it in your words as to attack my testimony and character, for your own selfish agenda. Class act. I will not make the mistake of assuming you for a honorable man again.

"Character" is something you are suppose to possess not be.

like as if what you posted wasn't an attack on those who don't possess your "character"...

i'm just using a simple tactic... judge, and you shall be judged according to your own measure, too..

you posted that rather long testament of your "character", but in the process you were already judging others.. so, i simply replaced your own words that would reflect the very opposite.. and you're surprised that you're being judged according to your own measure?

character is not something you possess.. its who you develop yourself to be..

[fingolfin]

I feel sorry of the Mods who has to preside over this zoo.

.. i cant help but to laugh at this statement. you really hit the nail on the head there with your description that this Spirituality Board is indeed a zoo. joke.

.. seriously though, this has been a very good topic to read, coz, for one, there are no bible quotes.


.. but sadly, bluedes, please don't put words on james' mouth. What you did when you "translated" his testimony is insulting. It was his own opinion, you have no right to rephrase it for your own self amusement or for the discussions to go your way. That for me, is a very big personal attack towards James. Please don't ever do that again.


.. and to have my say on this..... the concept of God can be viewed in two different ways, it can be a tool for slavery and corruption ... or it can be a tool to help and unite the people. Me as an atheist never condemn or judge the believers, I don't preach or try to convince the believers to denounce their God. I just state my opinion on why I am an atheist and ask questions ( tangible one's ) to myself and find out the answers for myself. I'm not saying that the answers that I found is the real truth, bbaaahhh, i'm just another loser. But on the questions of God and the intangible i have only one answer to it... only when we die will we ALL be able to answer those questions.... that is why I don't get involved in arguements nor discussions about God and Religion coz it will, as we all saw, go in circles. Let's just wait when we die.

[jamesmusslewhite]

now why would u want to close this thread? because it threatens you? just goes to show how weak you are in your faith for a mere thread to threaten your faith..
You could never threaten my faith, but you have shown that my faith threatens you. You call my faith weak? I have to face off every day to 20 panty-waisted smart mouth arrogant snot-nosed godless punks who directly challenge every post I make on this forum and you have not made a dimple in my resolve, and you all scream like a bunch of wounded puppies and call my faith weak? Funny little man child.

i did not create this thread according to your own preconceived "hidden" agendas..
I was trying to help not get the thread closed and was attacked for it, so I said find get it closed then. Only around 20 threads had been closed due to petty bickering, and it appeared that it was happening again on your thread. Sorry I gave a damn. I do not make the same mistake twice.

like as if what you posted wasn't an attack on those who don't possess your "character"...
I was answering a member's questions to me. I was not trying to judge anybody, sorry if that is what you read. You think you read an attack then you show that in yourself that which offended you? Too thin-skinned, get your feelings hurt too easily. It is like talking to big babies.

i'm just using a simple tactic... judge, and you shall be judged according to your own measure, too..
It was a your judgment sparked by your insecurities and your actions only proved my statement of my testimony to be true. It just made you small and petty.

you posted that rather long testament of your "character", but in the process you were already judging others.. so, i simply replaced your own words that would reflect the very opposite.. and you're surprised that you're being judged according to your own measure?
The judging attitude was yours alone and in you limited interpretation. You decided to try to judge me because you got your little feelings hurt? Yep very manly.

character is not something you possess.. its who you develop yourself to be..
No, Character is something you are suppose to possess. I have seen 10 years old girls with character. You are just developing into being a character.

You are a funny guy, childish but funny.