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    A question then to those who have faith? Would you die for your faith like the martyrs do? Would you sacrifice yourself and leave your family to serve your god where he needs you the most? I'm sorry for this questions but I'm just curious because there are a lot of hypocrites now a days saying they believe and yet are so blind to the truth? Faith is hard indeed because even in the Catholic Faith the disciple Peter closest friend of Jesus even lack faith in him that he nearly drowned. It's just funny that I find most of the people who have this religion think they are righteous and yet still their human instincts win, and that is to preserve oneself. That's only my opinion and I might be wrong.

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    In this world we are just passers by, no one will live forever, so better invest on the next ultimate life.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tirong-say View Post
    In this world we are just passers by, no one will live forever, so better invest on the next ultimate life.........

    I agree, so that the greedy and the corrupt will realize that everything is temporary and they can not bring their riches or power with them when death takes them but for the next life thing... I doubt that there is a next life because I think no one could prove that it exist. but again this is just my opinion and I might be wrong.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by devils_advocate View Post
    A question then to those who have faith? Would you die for your faith like the martyrs do? Would you sacrifice yourself and leave your family to serve your god where he needs you the most? I'm sorry for this questions but I'm just curious because there are a lot of hypocrites now a days saying they believe and yet are so blind to the truth? Faith is hard indeed because even in the Catholic Faith the disciple Peter closest friend of Jesus even luck faith in him that he nearly drowned. It's just funny that I find most of the people who have this religion think they are righteous and yet still their human instincts win, and that is to preserve oneself. That's only my opinion and I might be wrong.
    No your observations and opinion is Spot On. One can say Yes, easier than his actual actions. The true following of Christ is the hardest thing for me to do. I do the best I can do and pray that it is enough. That is the best that any man can do. Would I die for my faith, Yes, I fully believe that my death will be because of my belief in my faith. Would I leave my family to minister elsewhere? I can not answer that because I have not been called to do so. I have been fortunate in that my family is with me, and my wife's calling is as strong as mine. That is why were sold and gave away so much to move here, so she could challenge the members of a local cult and false man's churches so she could save family, friends, and neighbors. It is also why we give so much and support so many here. It is why I volunteer so much time trying to help local farmers better their lives and health. Is it enough? I wish I could do more. Maybe that is the point.

    I am not perfect and still have all the faults of any man, but I constantly struggle to overcome those failing and strive to be better. Will it save my soul? I do not know, but I am sure doing less will not help. It is a life style not lip service.

    What is the hardest? Catching crap for my beliefs by those who care for nobody but themselves, who help nobody but themselves. Men who want to hold me to standards they will no hold to themselves. Cowards who act as if they are brave. And ignorance acting like condescending Intelligence. Then insult me when they themselves are worthless. When they do it only to make their sorry existence seem better. The true Hypocrites. true liars, and those with the morals of hyenas and jackals. They test your faith more than anything. To be tested and judged by those too cowardice to step up to the plate themselves. Most fools do not even realize their evil acts.

  5. #65
    Would I die for my faith, Yes, I fully believe that my death will be because of my belief in my faith.
    ->Just like you said, one can easily say yes than their actual actions. My question is how come you would die for your faith and yet you doubt to leave your family?

    Would I leave my family to minister elsewhere? I can not answer that because I have not been called to do so.

    That is why were sold and gave away so much to move here, so she could challenge the members of a local cult and false man's churches so she could save family, friends, and neighbors.
    ->How would you know that what they believe is wrong? how would you know that your belief is the right one that it will save them that even you doubts that what you do is enough to save your soul?

    Will it save my soul? I do not know, but I am sure doing less will not help. It is a life style not lip service.

    What is the hardest? Catching crap for my beliefs by those who care for nobody but themselves, who help nobody but themselves. Men who want to hold me to standards they will no hold to themselves. Cowards who act as if they are brave. And ignorance acting like condescending Intelligence. Then insult me when they themselves are worthless. When they do it only to make their sorry existence seem better. The true Hypocrites. true liars, and those with the morals of hyenas and jackals. They test your faith more than anything. To be tested and judged by those too cowardice to step up to the plate themselves. Most fools do not even realize their evil acts.
    ->Why do you hate those who are opposed to your faith when I think it teaches humility, respect and selflessness? This is why I find it intriguing because people try hard to follow but the truth is they are going the other way. Again this is just my opinion, no need to be pissed or something because I even don't know myself if I'm right or not.

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    My belief in God freed me from the idea of total control of my life and destiny. Total control of our life and destiny, for me in my humble opinion, is a delusion which only brings unnecessary burden to one's self preventing one from truly enjoying life to its fullest.

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    ->Just like you said, one can easily say yes than their actual actions. My question is how come you would die for your faith and yet you doubt to leave your family?
    I left all my family and friends to come here, yes I have my wife and son; but it does not to instruct every christian to just leave his family and run off somewhere. Few Christians are instructed to abandon wives and kids. God has not asked that of me, but he has removed from all that I knew before. I will do what ever God demands of me. I am just trying to be as honest as I can and not just be falsely boastful. I am trying to be as honest as possible for you.

    ->How would you know that what they believe is wrong? how would you know that your belief is the right one that it will save them that even you doubts that what you do is enough to save your soul?
    That is due to the limitations of man. I read the text and try to understand my place according to the text. I believe in the Christ and understand I am a Gentile. I pray that what I do is right, and for God to guide and strengthen my understanding and faith. I believe in the text, but faith is an individual journey. Each man must take themselves. Each man has his vices and demons that he must battle everyday. There is no quick pill and it done, rather a pill must be taken everyday. I have sins in my past. I lied, stole, committed multiple adultery, did drugs, blasphemed so many times, killed men and enjoyed it, and so many other sins. There is not 1 Commandment or 1 of the Deadly Sins that I have broken more than once. So have I done enough? The text says so, but as a flawed man I am still prone to doubts as any man. Once again one has to be honest. I can only hope I have done enough, but most men may not be burdened with the sins I have. I will go the rest of my life trying to gain forgiveness.

    ->Why do you hate those who are opposed to your faith when I think it teaches humility, respect and selflessness? This is why I find it intriguing because people try hard to follow but the truth is they are going the other way. Again this is just my opinion, no need to be pissed or something because I even don't know myself if I'm right or not.
    There are many that oppose my faith. A true follower of Christ can not hate another man, we are told to love our enemies, and love our neighbors more than ourselves. But many that claim to be Christians are not, many Christians teach false doctrines and dogma. I do not hate a person but I can hate the actions of a person. Love the sinner hate the sins.
    The walk in faith is hard enough without those who just choose to be foolish and destructive forces. It wares on a person and can be a draining influence. There are times in everyone lives when relationships, work, finances, illness, and a hundred other reasons when you can feel emotionally downbeat. Then to have destructive forces compound these problems can be maddening at best. A christian is still just human and subject to all the faults and weaknesses of any man.
    A true Christian is told not judge the man but the sins committed by the unbeliever, but love the man more than yourself. The unbelievers judge the christian for the man more than his actions, and reasons so he can despises him, just so he can feel better about himself. That is a big difference in how the two relate to each other.
    I believe that is why there has to be so many non believers they are to test the believers I believe most religions are all trying to follow the same path to the creator and through the history of men there are many men worthy to walk with God who never heard of the Christ. We are judged by the life we live. I believe that Christ offers a way to his father for the Gentiles as he claims. The problem is so many of the Christian faith never read the text for themselves or they read text with too many misinterpretations. Example the killing of witches because the original text was wrongly translated the word "witch" was suppose to be the word "poisoner". Many Bibles still have never made that correction. There are others but you have to research to find them.
    Last edited by jamesmusslewhite; 12-19-2009 at 11:57 PM.

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmusslewhite View Post
    I feel sorry of the Mods who has to preside over this zoo.



    why do you feel sorry? because the "God" here is treated as a concept (or idea, or belief even) only and not as absolute reality?

    if i would trace your "sorry", it would go back to feeling pity for the Modz..

    but on closer to reality, none of you guys have even proven or given any evidence on absolute existence of "God".. so its only fairer to say that so far, as ANYONE can say, God as a concept (or idea.. or to cater more, as a belief) is more common to everyone else on a 99.999999999% basis.. because if someone has seen God, its sooooo minority jud..

    so you can keep your sorry, and keep your pity to yourself.. nobody needs it really..

  9. #69
    @bluedes -I think no mortal man sees GOD...not unless you are dead maybe...


    @James...How would you know that what you read is the truth when in fact there are many versions of the book? that's why it is as you say misinterpreted. I just can't understand why people tend to have a religion when you know already what God ask of you. What I have done on this life is between me and God, that's why I don't need religion to tell me what to do because religion are founded by men which as you say is flawed and they tend to create fanatics.

  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post


    why do you feel sorry? because the "God" here is treated as a concept (or idea, or belief even) only and not as absolute reality?

    if i would trace your "sorry", it would go back to feeling pity for the Modz..

    but on closer to reality, none of you guys have even proven or given any evidence on absolute existence of "God".. so its only fairer to say that so far, as ANYONE can say, God as a concept (or idea.. or to cater more, as a belief) is more common to everyone else on a 99.999999999% basis.. because if someone has seen God, its sooooo minority jud..

    so you can keep your sorry, and keep your pity to yourself.. nobody needs it really..
    he feels sorry for the mod (who btw, is an atheist) who presides over this zoo and can't do nothing but laugh at people like James.

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