If we dont know how the universe exist, is it rational to resort to a god/religion ?

[kebotDiNaMute]

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wala koy religion bro.. pass ko ana..

parehas tingale mi ug definition ni cromagnon ug god..
im an atheist in the pure sense na di jud ko mutuo anang supernatural god..

kung religion imo gipangita, mas-angay pa ko sa buddhism.. murag pantheistic.. pero di japon pantheistic.. lisod i-describe.. ang ako ra, nagpangita ra ko ug "good" in this lifetime, whatever definition nimo sa "good" naa pud ko ako nakat-on na definition kung unsa ang "good"..

Well, tell me where did you learn that the lists are bad:
1. stealing
2. telling lies
3. killing

these are things that benefits you, and its good for you... right?

[Traditz]

no, i did not say there is evidence that he doesn't exist. but, there is no evidence that he exist. he cannot be tested/observed, therefore, there is no evidence for his existence.

Okay, granting for the sake of discussion that there is no evidence that God exists, that doesn't prove that atheism is true, right? Ingun pa nila, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

intelligent design. it is a myth because scientific evidence has long proven that intelligent design is a myth.

Scientific evidence such as? And how does it prove that intelligent design is a myth?

[Traditz]

..this question or idea is my basis for me being an atheist, this is my logic to religion. One should not look at religion on the present nor on the time of Jesus or anybody religions figures for that matter. We should think way before "science" or rational thinking was concieved by man. On the earliest years of man, he didn't know or understood the natural phenomenons; rain, thunder, lightning, sun, moon, the coming of tides, all those things, he never quite understood, so man attributed all those things to a "divine being", in which that divine being made all those things. In essense, man created god due to ignorance. But hey, that's just me. I'm not preaching to anyone that they should be an atheist....

Hi sir.

Does that mean though that that's true for all the religions in the world (that they arose because the people in ancient times needed ways of explaining natural phenomenon)?

[bluedes]

Well, tell me where did you learn that the lists are bad:
1. stealing
2. telling lies
3. killing

these are things that benefits you, and its good for you... right?

yeah.. but i did not learn them from some book or 10 commandments.. i learned them from experience or other people telling me why they're important rules to follow..

you think naman gud that morality comes from the Bible or from God.. morality is not originating there.. it originates within society.. morality is relatively speaking.. its different from one society to another..

in a society of robbers and liars, you think stealing or telling lies is bad for them? magsakit na lng imong ulo cge pamugos ug usab sa ilang huna2x, or sige pagcondemn nila.. pero para nila, walay sayop ana, kay mao man na ilang society gud..

on another example, try telling a samurai that killing is bad.. dili ka ka-usab sa iyang morality, kay lahi iyang morality sa imoha.. it does not mean kay abi ni-kill ang samurai kay wala na sya morals.. unfair na inyong judgment na Bible or God gakupot sa morality.. di na tinuod. inyo ra na huna2x para makablackmail mu ug more followers for recruitment sa inyong "church"

so morality does not come from God or some Bible as you might have imagined..

[Traditz]

yeah.. but i did not learn them from some book or 10 commandments.. i learned them from experience or other people telling me why they're important rules to follow..

you think naman gud that morality comes from the Bible or from God.. morality is not originating there.. it originates within society.. morality is relatively speaking.. its different from one society to another..

in a society of robbers and liars, you think stealing or telling lies is bad for them? magsakit na lng imong ulo cge pamugos ug usab sa ilang huna2x, or sige pagcondemn nila.. pero para nila, walay sayop ana, kay mao man na ilang society gud..

on another example, try telling a samurai that killing is bad.. dili ka ka-usab sa iyang morality, kay lahi iyang morality sa imoha.. it does not mean kay abi ni-kill ang samurai kay wala na sya morals.. unfair na inyong judgment na Bible or God gakupot sa morality.. di na tinuod. inyo ra na huna2x para makablackmail mu ug more followers for recruitment sa inyong "church"

so morality does not come from God or some Bible as you might have imagined..

Hello sir.

Hope you don't mind if muapil ko sa inyo discussion.

Are you saying nga relative ra jud tanan moral values between societies and individuals?

[fingolfin]

Hi sir.

Does that mean though that that's true for all the religions in the world (that they arose because the people in ancient times needed ways of explaining natural phenomenon)?

.. i'm not saying all of today's religion. What i'm saying is, the earliest religion of the earliest man. you see, religion is very complex, none can truly explain it thoroughly, what's important is;wether you have religion or not, you should treat other people with respect.

[Traditz]

.. i'm not saying all of today's religion. What i'm saying is, the earliest religion of the earliest man. you see, religion is very complex, none can truly explain it thoroughly, what's important is;wether you have religion or not, you should treat other people with respect.

Oh, of course, wala'y maka-argue ana.

[chad_tukes]

Okay, granting for the sake of discussion that there is no evidence that God exists, that doesn't prove that atheism is true, right? Ingun pa nila, the absence of evidence is not evidence of absence.

we do not claim atheism is in fact, true. there is no such thing as true or false in atheism because it is merely the absence of belief. we can make such strong claims of unbelief on things (such as God) based on evidence, whereas faith, is a belief with the absence of evidence. therefore to us, it is irrational.

Scientific evidence such as? And how does it prove that intelligent design is a myth?

scientific evidence such as Evolution. Evolution proves that ID is a myth by presenting evidence that the earth is not young (in fact billions of years old) as what Genesis suggest. i can present more evidence, but that would deserve another thread to discuss.

[cromagnon]

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athiest doesn believe in a god , in the otherhand we din say we have disprove god.

jud like the flying tea pot analogy.

- this is an analogy that there is a chinese teapot rotating around the axis of the earth . we cant prove nor disprove its existince. since by its size its almost imposible to find it.,

[chad_tukes]

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athiest doesn believe in a god , in the otherhand we din say we have disprove god.

jud like the flying tea pot analogy.

- this is an analogy that there is a chinese teapot rotating around the axis of the earth . we cant prove nor disprove its existince. since by its size its almost imposible to find it.,

it is not our responsibility to disprove God; it is the faithful's responsibility to prove him. they are the ones who worship him, so they have to prove that who/what they are worshipping is indeed true. we can continue calling them delusional until they prove us otherwise.

a delusion is defined as:

a fixed false belief and is used in everyday language to describe a belief that is either false, fanciful or derived from deception.

so i don't why they get offended when the word deluded fits them perfectly.