Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[AmorsoloX]

to the guy above me..

hmm.. so wrong diay si luther for questioning the authority of the church?...

st. peter was long dead when the reformation happened and many popes have been very badlongon in their authority to the point of being too worldly.. atleast luther reminded people of the foundations of the christianity..

so are you saying the reformists or protestants arent christians? arent they worshipping Christ.. isnt he the same christ the catholics are worshipping?

luther didnot create a religion.. he just made corrections to the beliefs and rituals that were out of place...

[rclong_rey]

oh okies if man did something:

if man made the computer, then who made man?.. ------- God made the computer;

if man killed a man, who made man?.. ------- God killed the man;

if man kill himself, who made man?.. ------- God killed the man himself;

if man sinned, who made man?.. ------- God is also a sinner;

hmmmmmmm correct me if im wrong though...

you're logic quite captured my interests, so let me hear your plea..

it doesnt mean that you were created by Him nakabuhat usab siya ug apil ug unsa imo gibuhat..
okay ing ani na lang.....
kung makapatay kag tawo nakapatay sad diay ug tawo imo mama ug papa kay gikan man ka nila?
kung gahikog ka, gahikog sad diay ang Ginoo?..
man has a reason, conscience and knowledge to know if what is right and what is wrong.
if you still do even if it is against your reason, conscience, and you are completely aware that it is not good... then God is not liable for everything bad u have done.. it is yourself will suffer whatever its penalty..
but He has infinite mercy, and if you ask pardon whatever your fault is, He may forgive you... but the question is,,, how would you know that you are already forgiven if you will confess it directly to Him? how would you know that asking Him a pardon is already enough after you offended Him?
practice to be humble, confess your sin to a person like us a sinner who has the authority(given by Christ himself).. you knew what i mean...
ky ang God nakabalo na man sa tanan nato sala.. what we need to do is to accept it humbly by confessing it....

[AmorsoloX]

Then your church was founded by Luther not by Christ Himself..
is Luther has the authority given by Christ to create another church or religion apart from the original founded by Christ by giving Saint Peter the Supreme authority?...maybe you already read the verse that Christ was giving Saint Peter His full authority..
is Luther Holy?
where can we find in the Bible that Jesus Christ telling that He founded churches or religions?
only one church Jesus Christ founded... only pride of Luther makes him separate and revoult..

(I can say that purgatory is one of a negosyo because there is no evidence in the Scripture...

)-->>then luther also is negosyante ky la man sad siyay proof nga ikapakita nga na siyay authority nga mag tukod lain religion...nya la man sad tay mabasa sa Bible nga naay luther didto gihisgutan....[/quote]


st peter founded the teachings of christianity.. not the catholic church

the roman catholic church was founded by emperor constantine of the byzantine empire.. during that time, there were already many christian sects thriving in and out the empire...

the catholic church has no monopoly in christianity...

anybody who worships christ is called a christian.. whether he is a catholic or not.. if this is wrong, then what would you call a non-catholic who believes and worships christ?

[gabstafari]

Then your church was founded by Luther not by Christ Himself..
is Luther has the authority given by Christ to create another church or religion apart from the original founded by Christ by giving Saint Peter the Supreme authority?...maybe you already read the verse that Christ was giving Saint Peter His full authority..
is Luther Holy?
where can we find in the Bible that Jesus Christ telling that He founded churches or religions?
only one church Jesus Christ founded... only pride of Luther makes him separate and revoult..

(I can say that purgatory is one of a negosyo because there is no evidence in the Scripture...

)-->>then luther also is negosyante ky la man sad siyay proof nga ikapakita nga na siyay authority nga mag tukod lain religion...nya la man sad tay mabasa sa Bible nga naay luther didto gihisgutan....[/QUOTE]


i think what luther did was a lesson for the abusers of the church but not the church.

because protestants condemn the whole church.

nag tuo sila nga ang mga pundok sa mga obispo og mga kapari-an nga mo dumala sa simbahan kay mga perpekto dapat.


history repeats itself from judaism. hehehehe.

[rclong_rey]

to the guy above me..

hmm.. so wrong diay si luther for questioning the authority of the church?...

st. peter was long dead when the reformation happened and many popes have been very badlongon in their authority to the point of being too worldly.. atleast luther reminded people of the foundations of the christianity..

so are you saying the reformists or protestants arent christians? arent they worshipping Christ.. isnt he the same christ the catholics are worshipping?

luther didnot create a religion.. he just made corrections to the beliefs and rituals that were out of place...

okay we are Christians, is Christian a religion? it is a religions believing Christ...if you are ask what is your religion moingun diay ka christian? ingun jud ka R Catholic, Born again, etc..
then if luther is right... what is your proof also that it is his teaching right?
what happen to his followers? di ba na buak buak ra gihapun into kadaghan...
mao diay na ang gusto sa ato Ginoo? give me verse that states nga nagtukod siya ug Churches or Religions....
yes there are badlungon Popes but it is there will to be like that,ug sila ra usab mag antus ana sa pag kamatay nila.. ngano sur jud ka buotan si Luther? nya naay proof si luther nga sayop ang gibuhat sa Catholics?

[gabstafari]

okay we are Christians, is Christian a religion? it is a religions believing Christ...if you are ask what is your religion moingun diay ka christian? ingun jud ka R Catholic, Born again, etc..
then if luther is right... what is your proof also that it is his teaching right?
what happen to his followers? di ba na buak buak ra gihapun into kadaghan...
mao diay na ang gusto sa ato Ginoo? give me verse that states nga nagtukod siya ug Churches or Religions....
yes there are badlungon Popes but it is there will to be like that,ug sila ra usab mag antus ana sa pag kamatay nila.. ngano sur jud ka buotan si Luther? nya naay proof si luther nga sayop ang gibuhat sa Catholics?

possibility ma sayop ang mga binuhatan sa mga ka obispohan/kapari-an sa catholic church.

but the church? nope. teachings? nope.

[AmorsoloX]

okay we are Christians, is Christian a religion? it is a religions believing Christ...if you are ask what is your religion moingun diay ka christian? ingun jud ka R Catholic, Born again, etc..
then if luther is right... what is your proof also that it is his teaching right?
what happen to his followers? di ba na buak buak ra gihapun into kadaghan...
mao diay na ang gusto sa ato Ginoo? give me verse that states nga nagtukod siya ug Churches or Religions....
yes there are badlungon Popes but it is there will to be like that,ug sila ra usab mag antus ana sa pag kamatay nila.. ngano sur jud ka buotan si Luther? nya naay proof si luther nga sayop ang gibuhat sa Catholics?

sorry. im no catholic, and im no bible dude... the bible was made only to promote the religion that was christianity.. the bible has no scientific basis, so i wont qoute it as a reliable source..

i dont believe in any religion.. i cant even say that christianity is correct.... and for the record.. its your ginoo.. not mine...

the way ive read history, luther is not against the catholic church (considering he was a monk).. he was against the policies set-up by pope leo (whats his number).. saon ta man, the church officials even after the pope leo dude where more concerned with the status quo..

the divisions in christianity has nothing to do with man's salvation or so it claimed.. its more of political agendas... its like saying all the protestants are going to hell.. its not any better or even worse than saying that all muslims are going to hell also...

[rclong_rey]

)-->>then luther also is negosyante ky la man sad siyay proof nga ikapakita nga na siyay authority nga mag tukod lain religion...nya la man sad tay mabasa sa Bible nga naay luther didto gihisgutan....

(((((((st peter founded the teachings of christianity.. not the catholic church

the roman catholic church was founded by emperor constantine of the byzantine empire.. during that time, there were already many christian sects thriving in and out the empire...

the catholic church has no monopoly in christianity...

anybody who worships christ is called a christian.. whether he is a catholic or not.. if this is wrong, then what would you call a non-catholic who believes and worships christ?[/quote]))))))))

before Catholic make it as an official name. it is the religion Christian. but after some revolutions of heretics , Catholic is the first Christian Religion..outside Catholic still called christian but christian is not a religion.

niingun ba diay ko nga si ST Peter ang founder.. basaha gud balik...it is Christ Himself.
then constantine is not the founder of catholic church... he was just making it as a religion of the state of rome 324ad after he was converted...

it was ST. Ignatius (50-107ad) appointed bishop of antioch by Saint Peter, who first used the Greek word Katholicos, means universal.
in the first century certain sectarians protested against the True Church, yet still called themselves Christians. and so Catholics began to call themselves "Catholic".

[rclong_rey]

sorry. im no catholic, and im no bible dude... the bible was made only to promote the religion that was christianity.. the bible has no scientific basis, so i wont qoute it as a reliable source..

i dont believe in any religion.. i cant even say that christianity is correct.... and for the record.. its your ginoo.. not mine...

the way ive read history, luther is not against the catholic church (considering he was a monk).. he was against the policies set-up by pope leo (whats his number).. saon ta man, the church officials even after the pope leo dude where more concerned with the status quo..

the divisions in christianity has nothing to do with man's salvation or so it claimed.. its more of political agendas... its like saying all the protestants are going to hell.. its not any better or even worse than saying that all muslims are going to hell also...

He condemed the Catholic church... so he against it..
anyone against even just one teaching of any religion is against the religion..
luther change the doctrine...and founded the protestantism.. maybe there some point luther is right(like the abuse of the pope) but the doctrine of the church was right, only the leader(Pope at that time) was choose not to be right..

[AmorsoloX]

before Catholic make it as an official name. it is the religion Christian. but after some revolutions of heretics , Catholic is the first Christian Religion..outside Catholic still called christian but christian is not a religion.

niingun ba diay ko nga si ST Peter ang founder.. basaha gud balik...it is Christ Himself.
then constantine is not the founder of catholic church... he was just making it as a religion of the state of rome 324ad after he was converted...

it was ST. Ignatius (50-107ad) appointed bishop of antioch by Saint Peter, who first used the Greek word Katholicos, means universal.
in the first century certain sectarians protested against the True Church, yet still called themselves Christians. and so Catholics began to call themselves "Catholic".

so what do you call the worship of christ? you cant tell the non-catholics thet are non-christians

the roman catholic church was heavily influenced by pagan traditions...


bottomline.. if roman catholic is the true church, will the others who dont practice it, go to hell?