You can be a moral person without God...

[Traditz]

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this is just one model. look up 'cyclic model'.

What does this model look like? You mean the Oscillating model? Do you think this model is more plausible than the other models? Sorry I ask too many questions. I'm just interested in your views.

kibaw ko asa ni pdung, mangutana ka asa gi base ang good og bad.
look up the term 'moral zeitgeist'

You mean to say that morality is a reflection of the "spirit of the age", that it changes from one generation to the next?

[AmorsoloX]

god made laws, if you break them hes gonna make sure you burn in the fiery pits of hell will demons will consume your flesh from the inside and do all terrible things to you that youd wish you were dead, aw, you are already dead, o suffer for eternity in pain.. yet god as all-merciful loves ya..

somethings wrong with that idea...

doing good things in the name of god is nothing compared to doing good things because you wanted to do these things.. doing good shouldnt be a requirement or obligation to a higher being, so we are doing good because of fear instead of doing good because of love?

a loving God would never make such a terrible place for the creations he loved.. when we die, most probably he will ask us if did we enjoy Earth and life he has given us and welcomes us to heaven.. and if we are "sinners" or bad guys, when we die, he tell ask us, "youve been a very naughty person, i hope youve felt the misery ive given you for the pain you infllicted upon others, you may not have enjoyed all of my blessings in earth cause you didnt deserve it anyway, welcome to heaven..

[chad_tukes]

god made laws, if you break them hes gonna make sure you burn in the fiery pits of hell will demons will consume your flesh from the inside and do all terrible things to you that youd wish you were dead, aw, you are already dead, o suffer for eternity in pain.. yet god as all-merciful loves ya..

Christian parents (especially Catholics) always use this script to impose upon their innocent Catholic "daw" children. a form of mental/psychological abuse, IMO. there have been documented cases of adults exhibiting abnormal behavior as a result of this abusive brainwash. children tend to bring it with them into adulthood. it is bad enough that some adults who are affected with this would feel like puking when they hear the word "HELL".

[jeremiahjay]

god made laws, if you break them hes gonna make sure you burn in the fiery pits of hell will demons will consume your flesh from the inside and do all terrible things to you that youd wish you were dead, aw, you are already dead, o suffer for eternity in pain.. yet god as all-merciful loves ya..

somethings wrong with that idea...

doing good things in the name of god is nothing compared to doing good things because you wanted to do these things.. doing good shouldnt be a requirement or obligation to a higher being, so we are doing good because of fear instead of doing good because of love?

a loving God would never make such a terrible place for the creations he loved.. when we die, most probably he will ask us if did we enjoy Earth and life he has given us and welcomes us to heaven.. and if we are "sinners" or bad guys, when we die, he tell ask us, "youve been a very naughty person, i hope youve felt the misery ive given you for the pain you infllicted upon others, you may not have enjoyed all of my blessings in earth cause you didnt deserve it anyway, welcome to heaven..

Bai...I understand your argument...But based on what you said it made me realize one thing, You don't know my God in a personal way; or his heart.

1. The law was made for the lawless. You see our Constitution can be seen in the ten commandments. Without the law there will be anarchy which can result to chaos..the law was intended to protect you not persecute you. Kung way law na ransacked na imo plantation.

2. Hell was never made for man, it was made for the devil and his angels. it was made to torment him forever. The devil doesn't rule hell it is a place where he will suffer, for that,He will always try to bring with him as many as possible to hell. And the good thing about GOd, He sent Jesus to die for us, in order for us to be saved from all possible hell (may it be on earth or under the earth). But God gaved man the free will, you see God cannot violate your will bro.

3. ...Yes doing good because of love... but to whom? You see i love God, family, and fellow man; because God first loved me. This love resulted me to do good. it became easy for me to do good and be MORAL. I never think of punishment at all.

4. If you allow me to qoute what Jesus said: "I have come to give you life and have it to the fullest". You see God's plan for individuals and families is life to its fullest (be it in heaven and on earth). That is the kind of life that God intended if we are in Him. He is never a taker, he is a giver.

It just a matter of time when "morality" without God will crumble. The body we live in is inclined to immorality. Our heart is decieving, our mind is a battle ground. If God will not rule in this areas. Good luck na lang.

[AmorsoloX]

your talking bout the christian belief of morality?

so are you saying that those who have other sets of morality are immoral because they do not conform to yours? you use your own morality as a standard..

mao na nka lisod...kay motoo mga tao nga ila pagtoo jud sakto.. and ang uban nga naa pud lain pagtuo kay sayop..

might as well tell the muslims/jews/hindus their immoral... hope you dont get punched in the face..

i have my own understanding of GOD.. so it doesnt make your god as correct.. and that also makes my GOD as not correct in your perspective..

[AmorsoloX]

religion is nothing more but a political tool created by men to control people to do their bidding.. the fear of hell and punishment in the afterlife is enough for people to fear the self-assumed authority of the so called churches.. ayaw kontra sa pari.. kay it wont look good on your record..

the concept of good and evil has blinded us from our thru nature.. we have become docile and complacent after how many years of brainwashing...

[Traditz]

god made laws, if you break them hes gonna make sure you burn in the fiery pits of hell will demons will consume your flesh from the inside and do all terrible things to you that youd wish you were dead, aw, you are already dead, o suffer for eternity in pain.. yet god as all-merciful loves ya..

somethings wrong with that idea...

doing good things in the name of god is nothing compared to doing good things because you wanted to do these things.. doing good shouldnt be a requirement or obligation to a higher being, so we are doing good because of fear instead of doing good because of love?

But you do believe in objective goodness, right?

a loving God would never make such a terrible place for the creations he loved.. when we die, most probably he will ask us if did we enjoy Earth and life he has given us and welcomes us to heaven.. and if we are "sinners" or bad guys, when we die, he tell ask us, "youve been a very naughty person, i hope youve felt the misery ive given you for the pain you infllicted upon others, you may not have enjoyed all of my blessings in earth cause you didnt deserve it anyway, welcome to heaven..

Do you believe in "heaven" then?

[Traditz]

Christian parents (especially Catholics) always use this script to impose upon their innocent Catholic "daw" children. a form of mental/psychological abuse, IMO. there have been documented cases of adults exhibiting abnormal behavior as a result of this abusive brainwash. children tend to bring it with them into adulthood. it is bad enough that some adults who are affected with this would feel like puking when they hear the word "HELL".

Why do you say it's "abusive brainwashing"?

[Traditz]

your talking bout the christian belief of morality?

so are you saying that those who have other sets of morality are immoral because they do not conform to yours? you use your own morality as a standard..

mao na nka lisod...kay motoo mga tao nga ila pagtoo jud sakto.. and ang uban nga naa pud lain pagtuo kay sayop..

What do you mean? You're saying that he's wrong and you're right, right? What's wrong with that?

might as well tell the muslims/jews/hindus their immoral... hope you dont get punched in the face..

i have my own understanding of GOD.. so it doesnt make your god as correct.. and that also makes my GOD as not correct in your perspective..

So you're saying that you're view of God is not correct either?

[Traditz]

religion is nothing more but a political tool created by men to control people to do their bidding.. the fear of hell and punishment in the afterlife is enough for people to fear the self-assumed authority of the so called churches.. ayaw kontra sa pari.. kay it wont look good on your record..

How did you come to the conclusion that religion is nothing more than a political tool?

the concept of good and evil has blinded us from our thru nature.. we have become docile and complacent after how many years of brainwashing...

What do you mean by this statement?