You can be a moral person without God...

[jeremiahjay]

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passeth all understanding of?

unexpressable joy in the holy spirit... God's unconditional love... thanks but no thanks.

Of why you are peaceful inspite of what you are going through.

Your welcome anyway. Not my loss believe me..

[schmuck]

My experience. There is no greater evidence than that...

yep. because your personal experience is the measuring stick that everyone else can use.


/s

[schmuck]

NO! Show us believers your verifiable facts that God does not exist. Show us your proof of No God. Do not claim Science, because so far science can not do it, in fact so far science only shows the highest probability of proof of intelligent design. Proof, not Atheist propaganda, PROOF!!!!!

for you parder


"science only shows the highest probability of proof of intelligent design" <- citations/sources please.

[jamesmusslewhite]

for you parder


"science only shows the highest probability of proof of intelligent design" <- citations/sources please.

Funny cartoon, answered no real questions but it was funny. That is the same type of response we Christians get from Atheist most of the time. Other times we just get cartoons.

I will show you mine when you show me yours.

[Traditz]

OT: I think that atheists share the burden of proof, too. What are their reasons for believing that God does not exist?

OnT: If God does not exist, what is the foundation for objective moral values and duties?

[chad_tukes]

we talking about some situation chad... to support my claim... on this topic... if you don't understand... read sa story why we came to this topic.

hehe... we were talking about morality then you gave me an article totally unrelated to it. good job there going completely off-topic.

Many feel what you can not feel, many experience what you are unable to experience, many understand what you are unable to understand. Just because you can not grasp it does not mean it does not exist, rather it only means it is nonexistent to you. Just because it is beyond you to grasp does not mean that we who do understand, must now claim your nonacceptance to what we already know exist. Here is a truth; God wants you but he does not need you, and Satan needs you but does not want you. I and others simply refuse to blaspheme and follow Satan's little game, we see it for what it is, a sucker's play.

There is only two paths, sorry there is no third path. You may believe your own self proclaimed delusion and self imposed exile from God, we just do not have to follow your path. We just know better.

here goes James again with his own truth that isn’t really the truth at all. James, if it’s indeed the truth, there would have been no atheist, don't you think? the fact that you can't prove your perceived "truth" makes it valid to you and majority of Christians excluding atheists, agnostics, and rationalists. again and again, the word delusion does not apply to atheists. that would be a contradiction. it is more appropriate to direct the noun to believers of a supernatural. okies?

huh, they believe but they dont live with it...

its like saying philippines is a christian country... are we? hehehe, very poor question u got there chad.

how are you sure they don't live with it? even if they don't, that would not change the fact they are still believers. some would even kill in the "name of GOD/Allah" .... hmmm, suicide bombers, anyone? and i know some of you would object by saying "they are blinded by faith. if they were indeed true followers of God/Allah, they wouldn't do such thing". well too bad coz they are doing just that---their faith to Allah is so strong they'd do anything for him. now tell, how the F is that different from today's Christians? do you see how fundamentalist faith can become dangerous?

NO! Show us believers your verifiable facts that God does not exist. Show us your proof of No God. Do not claim Science, because so far science can not do it, in fact so far science only shows the highest probability of proof of intelligent design. Proof, not Atheist propaganda, PROOF!!!!!

We will be glad to wait, because we know it will take you a while to find some, especially since no one has actually found anything yet. Just idle boast of arrogant prideful men, just making it up as they go, refusing to look at all the evidence, picking and choosing facts and asking impossible questions. Our belief is in God and yes we use scripture. You belief is in no God and you use ?. Impress us with your unknown knowledge and unknown proof, please tell us the answer to the question that Atheist scientist using all the sciences can not answer. Is there No God? Impress me. So me where your "FAITH" in no God comes from.

on bold: seriously?

i thought you were a scientist... coz scientists think just the opposite of what you said. fact of the matter is, science claims God is too improbable that it remains ONLY as a scientific hypothesis. God is untestable, unverifiable, unknown---no different than tooth fairies. again, the burden of proof is not on us. can you prove tooth fairies DO NOT exist? you can't, because it doesn't. again, how is your GOD different from tooth fairies? simple LOGIC James---science can't prove God doesn't exist for the same reason it can't prove tooth fairies do not exist.

[Pein]

hahay...mamugos jud sila sa ilang science oi...tsk tsk tsk!

[schmuck]

so you believe in the bible? why are you using it to support your claim.

Ok lets get into it. Yes in the old times they were commanded by God to claim the land flowing with milk and honey. Yes, it was fulfilled and yes they massacre people, thats because those people are moving against thier way. If you can see the whole picture, God always send a messenger to those people not to be wicked. Yet they are. And it is justified because it is the wages of disobidience.

Question: If God tell me to destroy the World what would I do?
Answer: I wont do it, because it is not the kind of god that I know of... he told me that he will do it by himself, and he will judge us by himself. So? anything else?

One thing is for sure, kebot.

Wala ka kasabot sa article.

Kai if kasabot ka, makarealize ka nga imong reasoning dira ^ mao ang gi tira sa article.


thanks for teh lulz kebot

[jamesmusslewhite]

here goes James again with his own truth that isn’t really the truth at all. James, if it’s indeed the truth, there would have been no atheist, don't you think? the fact that you can't prove your perceived "truth" makes it valid to you and majority of Christians excluding atheists, agnostics, and rationalists. again and again, the word delusion does not apply to atheists. that would be a contradiction. it is more appropriate to direct the noun to believers of a supernatural. okies?
Sorry, Delusion is the definition of Atheist. You do not want proof of God, because then you would have to change and conform. You can think of yourself as enlighten, but that bulb is burnt. Atheist are just prideful boast, deep seed hatreds, and resentments, venting at anything religious. I listen to you and remember myself years ago when I thought I was an Atheist. I can only think, what a Dumb-ass I was back then, and how stupid I must have sounded to those that truly believed. I pray God forgives me for my false pride of my youth.

on bold: seriously?
I was and still am a scientist, that is why I can make that statement in Bold. You were obviously are not, and have very limited actual experience with the sciences or contact with scientist, and yet you make such bold statements not based on facts.

i thought you were a scientist... coz scientists think just the opposite of what you said. fact of the matter is, science claims God is too improbable that it remains ONLY as a scientific hypothesis. God is untestable, unverifiable, unknown---no different than tooth fairies. again, the burden of proof is not on us. can you prove tooth fairies DO NOT exist? you can't, because it doesn't. again, how is your GOD different from tooth fairies? simple LOGIC James---science can't prove God doesn't exist for the same reason it can't prove tooth fairies do not exist.
See that makes my point Scientist do no believe in Intelligent design or God? Really with 40% of (American and world scientist that matter) scientist being Christians and so many scientist being Jewish, and I tell you I believe; where do you come up with is delusion that you have to be an Atheist to be a scientist?
Yes I know god can not be unproven using the sciences. That these sciences can not shake the evidence that there is intelligent design and order in the universe. You want to throw evolution as your proof of no God, but evolution does not prove no God. At best it can only show that a very small part of one of the stories of the Bible could be an embellishment. That is not even conclusive without certain facts being twisted, totally ignored, or fairy tale theories (with no basis in actual varifable proof) by agenda driven Atheist. I know better, I have been there, not just fantasizing like you. You do not squat about what a scientist should be, or should think. You are still a school boy, probably in a non science related field, more likely accounting or business related studies? You had a few biology related courses and now believe you are an Einstein on the subject. You are actually just an arm chair quarterback, or back seat driver at best. You finish your degree in science and then get a job in science, than you can tell me how scientist should think, OK.

There are a lot of diverse sciences. Your logic I do not believe therefor it does not exist, is the same mindset that ignorance that held down the early scientist during the Dark Ages. Now reversed and existing in the so called age of Enlightenment. Childish thinking at best. It is just thing critically, and is not the definition of Critical Thinking. Atheism, keep that belief if you choose, but do not try to make me less than I am, so you can try to be more than you really are. You are on a prideful trip into the abyss, sorry I do not have to pretend you are clever. I know better.

This is the primary difference. Christians do not need to try to force science to support our beliefs for us to believe. We already believe, and we know science can not and will not disprove God, the creator. Science can only someday explain how he did it. We tell only what was written in scripture, and have confidence in our belief......Atheist have to try to use science to support their disbelief, and since science can not actually do that, it really pisses you off, so they then have to try to attack the scriptures. Proof, proof, proof, give me proof, or you are stupid is your battle cry against God. Yet all the intellectual Atheist can not show proof of no God. All that money, time, and effort producing for them what result? Maybe yes or maybe no. hahahaha. Then they have to make wild claims, resort to insults, rude behavior, rude statements, and one sided conversations. So you can feel like you are right. You demand what science can not give you, from those who believe what science can not disprove. And call yourself enlightened? No Atheistism is delusion. Show me proof it is not.

[Traditz]

i thought you were a scientist... coz scientists think just the opposite of what you said. fact of the matter is, science claims God is too improbable that it remains ONLY as a scientific hypothesis. God is untestable, unverifiable, unknown---no different than tooth fairies. again, the burden of proof is not on us. can you prove tooth fairies DO NOT exist? you can't, because it doesn't. again, how is your GOD different from tooth fairies? simple LOGIC James---science can't prove God doesn't exist for the same reason it can't prove tooth fairies do not exist.

Is this what you're saying bro, that science can't disprove God? If so, how can you rely on science then to give you answers to the question whether there is or there isn't a God?