Gnosis and the Gnostics!

[The_Child]

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no,no,no...that's not it. It transcends emotions.

how is that possible? mere bio-chemical reactions in a hyperbolic state.

[Malic]

yes. just 'i-feel-like-good-this-day-so-good-i-feel-so-high-this-is-heaven-i-see-God-kinda experience' what a feelin! (no pun intended)

how is that possible? mere bio-chemical reactions in a hyperbolic state.

it transcends that emotion you mentioned above. Only a few have truly attained it. Its not an emotion that one creates. tho it starts in that stage but as the practitioner continues to penetrate the veil of thoughts and emotions a different reality unfolds before him. To know it is to become it. I have not yet attained the highest stage of consciousness, so I can't fully tell you you what its like when its fullness is revealed to you.

Jesus said, the kingdom of God is within you. How's that possible? maybe we were made that way. Inside us is a world greater and much pure than the reality we know.

[Malic]

Every major Religion has referred to inner guidance in its inner teachings...the Spirit of Christ, the Atman, God within.-Christine M. Comstock

[The_Child]

it transcends that emotion you mentioned above. Only a few have truly attained it. Its not an emotion that one creates. tho it starts in that stage but as the practitioner continues to penetrate the veil of thoughts and emotions a different reality unfolds before him. To know it is to become it. I have not yet attained the highest stage of consciousness, so I can't fully tell you you what its like when its fullness is revealed to you.

Jesus said, the kingdom of God is within you. How's that possible? maybe we were made that way. Inside us is a world greater and much pure than the reality we know.

i am not saying that it is an emotion, but rather, a mental state in an extreme degree'; definitely triggered by a stimuli to allow for the turbulent bio-chemisty to mess with each other.

[Malic]

yes. just 'i-feel-like-good-this-day-so-good-i-feel-so-high-this-is-heaven-i-see-God-kinda experience' what a feelin! (no pun intended)

Feel=emotion.

i am not saying that it is an emotion, but rather, a mental state in an extreme degree'; definitely triggered by a stimuli to allow for the turbulent bio-chemisty to mess with each other.

Everything is a mental state. You can see, touch, taste, smell, hear, all of it is process by the brain. You can learn and unlearn anything by using the power of your Will.

Everything is triggered by a stimuli. The joy you feel when you are inside the church. The comfort you get reading books written by great thinkers. That's how things work.

my point? you can use these faculties to tap the inner world.

[bluedes]

i am not saying that it is an emotion, but rather, a mental state in an extreme degree'; definitely triggered by a stimuli to allow for the turbulent bio-chemisty to mess with each other.

hey dude! have you read on henri bergson? I presume you have... so of all his works, which do you recommend should I read first? I'm trying to find a copy of his essay on "What is an Emotion?"... do you know which *collected essays* book I could find that in?

regards..

"In a society composed of pure intelligences there would probably be no more tears, though perhaps there would still be laughter; whereas highly emotional souls, in tune and unison with life, in whom every event would be sentimentally prolonged and re-echoed, would neither know nor understand laughter." - Henri Bergson, Laughter: An Essay on the Meaning of Comic

[Malic]

God's meeting place with man is in the heart, and in a still small voice He speaks; and he who hears is still.

And when man honors man, he honors God, and what man does for man, he does for God.

And you must bear in mind that when man harms in thought or word or deed another man, he does a wrong to God.

If you would serve the God who speaks within the heart, just serve your near of kin, and those that are no kin, the stranger at your gates, the foe who seeks to do you harm;

Assist the poor, and help the weak; do harm to none, and covet not what is not yours;

Then, with your tongue the Holy One will speak; and he will smile behind your tears, will light your countenance with joy, and fill your hearts with peace."--Aquarian Gospel of Jesus the Christ

[The_Child]

Feel=emotion.




Everything is a mental state. You can see, touch, taste, smell, hear, all of it is process by the brain. You can learn and unlearn anything by using the power of your Will.

Everything is triggered by a stimuli. The joy you feel when you are inside the church. The comfort you get reading books written by great thinkers. That's how things work.

my point? you can use these faculties to tap the inner world.

not everything is a mental state. everything that registers into your brain is a mental state, but as soon as you express it, it becomes what we call behaviour.
the problem with Will / Volition, is to delineate between what you can will and what you cannot - the voluntary versus involuntary- we must not presume that we can will everything in us or out of us, that is a mistake.


@ blue

nope. havent read much of bergson. the only book that i skimmed, is his Creative Evolution.
between de Chardin and Bergson, i prefer the latter. why dont you ask br.? im just me, nothing much, so i cant give you much.

the stanford enc. have a decent bibliographical entry Henri Bergson (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) you might want to check into it.

[Malic]

not everything is a mental state. everything that registers into your brain is a mental state, but as soon as you express it, it becomes what we call behaviour.
the problem with Will / Volition, is to delineate between what you can will and what you cannot - the voluntary versus involuntary- we must not presume that we can will everything in us or out of us, that is a mistake.

Behaviour is still a "mental state" express outwardly.

Read carefully my friend, You can learn and unlearn anything by using the power of your Will , that's the context. No mention of any presumption about us and our power to bend EVERYTHING as in everything, according to our will. but im not gonna follow you on this. If everything is a mental state and having the power to "WILL " everything are not the main issues. This is about Gnosis and how it can be achieved.

we must not presume that we can will everything in us or out of us, that is a mistake? Sure.

Jesus was a great prophet, yes? Water into wine, walks on water, healed the sick, transfiguration, etc.

[bluedes]

not everything is a mental state. everything that registers into your brain is a mental state, but as soon as you express it, it becomes what we call behaviour.
the problem with Will / Volition, is to delineate between what you can will and what you cannot - the voluntary versus involuntary- we must not presume that we can will everything in us or out of us, that is a mistake.

i've seen quite a few who stumble on this..

@ blue

nope. havent read much of bergson. the only book that i skimmed, is his Creative Evolution.
between de Chardin and Bergson, i prefer the latter. why dont you ask br.? im just me, nothing much, so i cant give you much.

the stanford enc. have a decent bibliographical entry Henri Bergson (Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy) you might want to check into it.

de chardin eh.. okay, thanks! i'll look into him as well.. and thanks for the stanford link..