Freethinkers And Skeptics

[chad_tukes]

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You think religion is an enslaving force, but religion is freedom from the enslavement of sin. You may persist that there is no such thing as sin or Satan, but it does not change the fact they still exist. Sin and the evil acts of men is what enslaves us. You think you are free because you denounce religion and the concepts of God, Christ, and Satan; but is you disbelief that actually enslaves you, as with those fools in the churches that you despise so much. They are actually disbelievers and are twisted by the same weaknesses that plague all men.

You blame religion and God for the acts of arrogant ignorant evil men. You turn your back on what will save you because you can not distinguish between dogma and the dogs that attend churches. They are lazy and do not read, and they have false pride and will not understand. They are just as lost as you, and many if not most are slated for the pit.

You call your disbelief enlightenment but actually it is blindness and false pride. Yes worship the sun, worship the words of another blinded prideful atheist writer of vial lies, and scoff at the writings that can save you deluded soul. You are not enlightened, you are hollow and you will remain hollow until you fill that hole with God. You do hate, and it come out in many of your comments and remarks about religion, God, Jesus, Bible, and Christians. We do not hate or despise you, hell I like you, but we understand something you can not grasp yet, faith.

whatever, James. you seem to have this thing of scaring me with divine words from your scripture which in fact, proves nothing at all. you keep talking about saving our souls, hell/eternal damnation, trying to save my soul, etc... etc... but you can't even prove they exist? you are all talk, James---and you call me delusional. if one has to describe a deluded mind then it's gotta be those people who believe in a false deity, which means it would be you and not me.

tell me James---how is sun worship different from God worship (btw, i was kidding about the Sun. i'd still like to save my retina)... that's right---your God is actually real.

Jesus never asked for money, do you know why? He was not a Levite, only Levites received tithes to maintain the Temple. If Christ took monies it was a sin. Is there a temple? No, so there are no tithes to be given. Churches are guilty of blasphemy when they demand your tithes, and they do not distribute the tithes as God commanded the Levites to distribute it, which is a sin. To give tithes to a church is a sin. People are too stupid and lazy to read the text for themselves. You just turn off, hate, and act prideful, I did for 20 years. But you really are just refusing to read the text to learn for yourself. Do not be too clever to learn the old knowledge because it takes lots of research, work and commitment. It is easier to skip all that and just insult those that do. Been there and done that myself. It enslaves you and does not fill that void until you do. The message is what is important, not the messenger.

yeah. weird, isn't it? Jesus never asked for money yet Christian pastors are doing just the opposite. constantly hungry for dollars and always wanting for more. so much for Christianity, James.

A true Christian's Faith are not threatened by your disbelief, and can live beside you and be a good neighbor. Oh he will talk you ear off and bore you with bits of scripture, but you will live in peace in mutual coexistence. To an Atheist there are bigger dangers. In the Philippines Christianity pushed the Moros out of most of the lands of the Philippines. Christianity also pushed the Muslims out of France, Spain, and a large portion of central Europe. They still think of these lands as their territories and will not be satisfied until they are reclaimed. This has been too well documented to be just disregarded.

my next door neighbor is a Filipino friend who's about in his late 70's---fits your description perfectly. tells me stories about his personal guardian angel... takes him everywhere he goes. talks endlessly to me about the Bible as we puff our cigarettes together. i have to admit that it bores the hell out of me. probably just a product of old-age... seeing things that are not there. lol

You want to hear something that should scare the hell out of you watch this.
YouTube - RICHARD DAWKINS REASONS WITH A MUSLIM

is this the video about the Muslim guy talking shit about women? i am not sure. i'll watch it when i get home. youtube is blocked in our office.

[miyay]

free in a box? i don't exactly understand what you mean. the "free" i'm thinking is emancipation from the bounds of religious authority. things beyond man's understanding? like what, spiritual life? there is actually no proof of this. if we take that same logic then i'd choose to worship the Sun---at least i know the Sun exist.

i see. very interesting. you don't believe in spirituality and yet here you are. or maybe you are more into occult

a free thinker must be an atheist or at least an agnostic? isn't that a fundamentalist way of thinking? i rather thought that a free thinker is one who is free to believe in whatever resonates with one's mind and heart and soul (if you believe in it)? must religion be a prison that one must be emancipated from? isn't it just another human creation like science? and isn't it possible that what may seem paranormal to most maybe normal to some

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[SPRINGFIELD_XD_40]

FREETHINKING has a definition but it doesnt end or limit there .

I am a FREETHINKER , for the matter that I support my lived life with good acts and deeds with or without a SUPREME BEING unconditionally because it is the right thing to do , it just so happens that I do have and observe one . By having one , specific to God doesnt make me a slave of the church bound by man made laws . That is the fine line there of being a THEIST .

[jamesmusslewhite]

whatever, James. you seem to have this thing of scaring me with divine words from your scripture which in fact, proves nothing at all. you keep talking about saving our souls, hell/eternal damnation, trying to save my soul, etc... etc... but you can't even prove they exist? you are all talk, James---and you call me delusional. if one has to describe a deluded mind then it's gotta be those people who believe in a false deity, which means it would be you and not me.
Not to scare, just to warn, they are word set to parchment 2,000 years ago or more. You do not have to believe for me no more than I have to disbelieve for you. Yes I am all talk because I can not put God in a test tube for you, and You are all facts when science can not disprove God, but what varifiable facts do you hold your claim? What varifiable facts prove that your disbelief in God is not based on your own misguided faith of no-God?

Yes I guess I am delusional in your eyes only because I no longer choose to disbelieve, that or you are not near as clever as you think. I guess it comes down to either I am a delusional old fool, or you are actually just an idiot. We can not both be correct, but I like my chances.

tell me James---how is sun worship different from God worship (btw, i was kidding about the Sun. i'd still like to save my retina)... that's right---your God is actually real.
I chose to worship that which created the universe, that intelligent designer that Science can not seem to shake or disprove. You choose a gas ball which is locked into the forces of that intelligent designed universe. You disbelief in no-God is just like sun worship, your stare into it too long and you are blinded. So you are a son worshiper, You are fixed on a pagan belief of your own design, in your belief system you can be your own God. That is the difference.


yeah. weird, isn't it? Jesus never asked for money yet Christian pastors are doing just the opposite. constantly hungry for dollars and always wanting for more. so much for Christianity, James.
That why I do not belong to man's church. They do not have the right to even exist. God is not a building, organization, or room of fools. The biblical text says so, it explains tithes and the greed of men. Organized Christianity and all organized religions are sinning in the eyes of God. The problem is not the scripture, rather it is man twisting what is simple to fulfill their desires and wants. To reject the message because of the messengers is not an act of wisdom. The truth is in the heart of the text, not in the mouths of men.

What is Christianity? Those that are following the teachings of the Christ, that makes him and his words all that matters. What man wants does not matter, what church wants does not matter, only what Christ wants is to be followed. The rest is just Satan's Trick to trap and enslave the lazy, the blind, and the foolish. God dwells in your heart, he will always be there waiting, waiting for you to stop running from and start walking towards.

my next door neighbor is a Filipino friend who's about in his late 70's---fits your description perfectly. tells me stories about his personal guardian angel... takes him everywhere he goes. talks endlessly to me about the Bible as we puff our cigarettes together. i have to admit that it bores the hell out of me. probably just a product of old-age... seeing things that are not there. lol
You have a guardian angle too, who is always with you as well. He just accepts his and has formed a more personal relationship with his. He does not speak regular blasphemies from a hardened heart. You think him as old and possible senile, but he may be wiser than you and me both.


is this the video about the Muslim guy talking shit about women? i am not sure. i'll watch it when i get home. youtube is blocked in our office.
What he and Islam believes about Atheist and how they will be taking over the world, and you need to get you house in order. Just to bad they cut him off early and did not show the whole volume of his belief. It will be convert or die. I will never deny the Christ to follow a mere man's religion. Read the 164 War verses of the Qur'an, because unlike Christians they do not accept your right to maintain your present belief system. Convert or be punished is their belief. They will lie in your face and talk peace but read the text and it shows the real agenda. Satan's Trick.

Me I will choose death, but I will out live my executioner.

[tokidoki]

now on to the topic... let's talk about being skeptical. anybody who thinks supernatural phenomena (ghosts, etc.), psychic abilities, mind control, predictions, communicating with the dead (seance), and anything paranormal are all bullsh!t---will you please raise your hand?

Maskin akong duha ka paa ug akong o**k pa ang i-isa pre.

[chad_tukes]

i see. very interesting. you don't believe in spirituality and yet here you are. or maybe you are more into occult

a free thinker must be an atheist or at least an agnostic? isn't that a fundamentalist way of thinking? i rather thought that a free thinker is one who is free to believe in whatever resonates with one's mind and heart and soul (if you believe in it)? must religion be a prison that one must be emancipated from? isn't it just another human creation like science? and isn't it possible that what may seem paranormal to most maybe normal to some

panglabad sa ulo sayo sa buntag

FREETHINKING has a definition but it doesnt end or limit there .

I am a FREETHINKER , for the matter that I support my lived life with good acts and deeds with or without a SUPREME BEING unconditionally because it is the right thing to do , it just so happens that I do have and observe one . By having one , specific to God doesnt make me a slave of the church bound by man made laws . That is the fine line there of being a THEIST .

you are providing your own definition of freethinker. freethinkers denounce religion and the concept of God, but if that's how you see freethinking, i won't stop you from it. people somehow get confused with the term because of the word "free" in it.

[chad_tukes]

Not to scare, just to warn, they are word set to parchment 2,000 years ago or more. You do not have to believe for me no more than I have to disbelieve for you. Yes I am all talk because I can not put God in a test tube for you, and You are all facts when science can not disprove God, but what varifiable facts do you hold your claim? What varifiable facts prove that your disbelief in God is not based on your own misguided faith of no-God?

Yes I guess I am delusional in your eyes only because I no longer choose to disbelieve, that or you are not near as clever as you think. I guess it comes down to either I am a delusional old fool, or you are actually just an idiot. We can not both be correct, but I like my chances

that's correct, science cannot disprove God, but you can't prove him either. so who's who? which is correct? the Bible? come on James. you are taking a risky chance. why devote so much of your life on a written scripture that can't even prove anything? but to be fair on the Bible---it's a good best-seller book. i'll give you that.

I chose to worship that which created the universe, that intelligent designer that Science can not seem to shake or disprove. You choose a gas ball which is locked into the forces of that intelligent designed universe. You disbelief in no-God is just like sun worship, your stare into it too long and you are blinded. So you are a son worshiper, You are fixed on a pagan belief of your own design, in your belief system you can be your own God. That is the difference.

you are blinded by false belief and it's unfortunate for you that i have come to open my eyes in a world of reality---not easily blinded by false deities who can't seem to make himself seen in the eyes of man. you keep saying science can't disprove God---well you don't believe in false idols, do you? how is the Judeo-Christian God different.

That why I do not belong to man's church. They do not have the right to even exist. God is not a building, organization, or room of fools. The biblical text says so, it explains tithes and the greed of men. Organized Christianity and all organized religions are sinning in the eyes of God. The problem is not the scripture, rather it is man twisting what is simple to fulfill their desires and wants. To reject the message because of the messengers is not an act of wisdom. The truth is in the heart of the text, not in the mouths of men.

What is Christianity? Those that are following the teachings of the Christ, that makes him and his words all that matters. What man wants does not matter, what church wants does not matter, only what Christ wants is to be followed. The rest is just Satan's Trick to trap and enslave the lazy, the blind, and the foolish. God dwells in your heart, he will always be there waiting, waiting for you to stop running from and start walking towards.

well good for you.

What he and Islam believes about Atheist and how they will be taking over the world, and you need to get you house in order. Just to bad they cut him off early and did not show the whole volume of his belief. It will be convert or die. I will never deny the Christ to follow a mere man's religion. Read the 164 War verses of the Qur'an, because unlike Christians they do not accept your right to maintain your present belief system. Convert or be punished is their belief. They will lie in your face and talk peace but read the text and it shows the real agenda. Satan's Trick.

Islam is built upon a strong culture that influences its people to do what is written in their scriptures. how is Islam different from Christianity? well a lot if we talk religion. but the idea of worshipping a supernatural and the consequences of eternal damnation if one opposes to its core teachings is what's similar between the two.

[miyay]

i think freethinking is too much thinking...

i'd rather be FREE OF THINKING

[kebotDiNaMute]

now on to the topic... let's talk about being skeptical. anybody who thinks supernatural phenomena (ghosts, etc.), psychic abilities, mind control, predictions, communicating with the dead (seance), and anything paranormal are all bullsh!t---will you please raise your hand?

ur loosing it chad... parallel universe said they are considering the supernatural... and you said what? hahahah... careful... there are beds available at the clinic you might want to spend a night.... hmmm...

[jamesmusslewhite]

that's correct, science cannot disprove God, but you can't prove him either. so who's who? which is correct? the Bible? come on James. you are taking a risky chance. why devote so much of your life on a written scripture that can't even prove anything? but to be fair on the Bible---it's a good best-seller book. i'll give you that.
I will still to choose to believe, with the strong body of Atheist trying to destroy one little 1,800 page book for the last 150 years. Employing an army of scientist with Billions of dollars worth of equipment and huge Socialist anti-bible media machine; and all they can say is, "well he might be real, than again maybe not." Lets just say with that evidence, I am not ready to take that blind leap into non faith again.

What is my risk? If I am wrong, I will have lived a good life as a good citizen to the world. If I am right, the I will have the opportunity to an even better after-life existence. That is worth a little devotion by my book. Pardon the pun.

It may be a best selling book of all time; but did you know that the writings of Marx is translated in more languages than the Bible? I guess Satan would rather that book be read by the masses.


you are blinded by false belief and it's unfortunate for you that i have come to open my eyes in a world of reality---not easily blinded by false deities who can't seem to make himself seen in the eyes of man. you keep saying science can't disprove God---well you don't believe in false idols, do you? how is the Judeo-Christian God different.
That will always be a point of debate, as I have told you time and life will educate you in ways you have yet to fully understand. If you had met me 20 years ago we would be in agreement on this topic. I was a different man then, and I will never choose to be him again. You do not believe me as there were those that I did not believe then either.

I was militant and wanted to see the World Burn, I was a true "FTW" and was more prideful than you. I was working on my 3rd Masters Degree, employed as a scientist and thought I was somebody really special. Truth was I was no smarter than a bug, and had my head so far up my own ass that I had a shitty view on life.. God let me go wild, he was not ready for me yet, and I did not understand his plan for me. I still do not know what his full plan is for me. Why my path has me now in the Philippines and what his plan is for me here, only time will show that path. When he decides he wants you, trust me you will follow. I hope he wants you for good deeds, he will leave many blind with hardened hearts, why I do not know but it says so in the scripture.


well good for you.
Thank you, but it is only because I follow the text and it's guidance. I avoid the foolishness of men and read my history to understand the flaws in man. We had talks before about History, man I can not tell you how important that really is. There are those trying to rewrite our history for their own agendas, read all you can. Those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it. Knowledge is freedom. Be a life long scholar, and never stop learning.

Islam is built upon a strong culture that influences its people to do what is written in their scriptures. how is Islam different from Christianity? well a lot if we talk religion. but the idea of worshipping a supernatural and the consequences of eternal damnation if one opposes to its core teachings is what's similar between the two.
There is actually little if you consider the use of prayer, nor is there much difference to most religions. There is some differences in the concepts of Hell, and paths to salvation. They do not practice the teachings of Christ so they do not have his belief in salvation, and how to treat you neighbor. How you are suppose to coexist with you neighbor there is a massive difference.
Love your neighbor, you can change religions and return back to Christ. vs. Convert you neighbor, and if he refuses kill him, and if he changes religions then kill him, and the mandate to convert all the world to Islam. The 164 War Verses.

Christianity has killed unbelievers due to the ignorance of evil men interpreting the text. In Islam the text demands Muslims to kill all unbelievers. I as a Christian can live next door to a non believer and have no desire him harm, and still be a true good Christian. If a Muslim lives next to a non believer, Islam demands conversion of that neighbor or he is not a true good Muslim. That is a big difference. I can tell you have not read both the Bible and the Qur'an, or you would not ask such a question.

I guess I am now just a Christian hard-head, but it works for me.