You can be a moral person without God...

[SyniTh]

Are you sure na without God you can be a moral person DO YOU EVEN KNOW HIM OR YOU JUST KNOW SOMETHING ABOUT HIM

I bet that the only thing you know about Christ is that he's the one who hanged himself on the cross and died for our sins.

It's BEYOND that bro...

IN man's eyes and standards, yes we may be morally upright. But in God's perspective, all of us are just filthy rags in front of Him. Don't say something about Him when you don't even know Him.

[windsong]

You might say that but wheN ur cornered in life and need help but no one can iam pretty sure U would seek GOD when probleMS pop out whoever U are hehehehe

[chad_tukes]

Impossible! when the source of all morality is the Creator...of all things...both seen and unseen...
Do you realize that there are no real atheists? An atheist is a nonbeliever. Can you think of any living, breathing, eating, drinking and sleeping being who does not believe in anything? Nobody right? Even a man on the brink of suicide believes in something (that life isn't worth living anymore). To be able to live, one must believe in something.. Our thoughts, opinions and personalities have certain yardsticks whether good or bad.
To be moral without God is like saying I am a better thief among thieves bec. I only steal according to need. If we base our actions on anything other than God, it will bear no good fruit.

there are flaws in this logic.

would you commit murder, rape, robbery, any major crimes if you knew there was no GOD? i thought so.

most of you would probably say NO. if we need GOD to be moral---why is the US prison system composed mostly of people with a RELIGION? these people are not GODLESS, you know. )

[jamesmusslewhite]

there are flaws in this logic.

would you commit murder, rape, robbery, any major crimes if you knew there was no GOD? i thought so.

most of you would probably say NO. if we need GOD to be moral---why is the US prison system composed mostly of people with a RELIGION? these people are not GODLESS, you know. )

A person can ware religion on their sleeve, attend or participate actively in their religions ceremonies and still be absolutely godless. Religion is just a word used by too many, and words are cheap. Me I am this or I am that, mine is better than yours, I am right and their are wrong. They actually have no idea of what their religions demand of them, rather they want to make demands on their religion. A person has to live their religion to be truly religious. Few can do that even the religious authorities of the various religions fail due the desires and weakness of man's nature.

In a way Atheist are actually more honest than most that try to act religious. Why are their so many sects of each religion? So those professing to be religious can find a sect that fits the way they wish to practice their religion. They do not really want the truth, rather a truth they can accept, or one which is easier, or has enough loopholes. They do not know what they believe in, they just claim to believe. Liars.

Most if they are truly religious would not commit crimes or break laws. They would truly be moral and righteous beings.

[munzter666]

@james

Satan can manipulate but not Create. It would take more than smoke and mirrors. My membrane is pretty tight.

how sure can one be to distinguish which is which? what is what? who is who? not an easy feat especially for one who employs FAITH regarding decisions that easily.

Proud boast but facing the true presents that which is God will probably struck too much fear for such actions.

i told you, i accept full accountability regarding my actions and decisions i made or going to make. if sh!t does happen, i dont point to somebody, or someone especially some unseen deity to pin such blame...i look, check and reflect on what i've done. mind you, i did not even specify which god specifically is THE god in that scenario...nevertheless, if this god pops out of nowhere and puts me in that predicament/spotlight, asks me to do those crazy sh!t like kill somebody just to prove LOVE and LOYALTY...i'd stand by my choice: NO, and i wont hesitate to wave my middle finger. FEAR? a tool commonly employed by godists to bring one to down to their knees, submission and to their fold...see past bullcrap. i'm more fearful of MAN and his/her darker shade to be exact.

Honestly I have not been put in that situation. I was taught to follow the Articles of War (established by the Geneva Convention) and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Militery Justice). I have faith in the training and caliper of Marine Commanders. Marine Commanders are not God, even though some may think they were.
I was not trained to kill unarmed or innocent people. Snipers have had to kill civians and children entering kill zones, because they were given grenades to use when they get close to post. The kill zone is understood. Would I kill a child being use as a weapon by my enemy to save Marine lives, yes. But I would first try to wound, and if they continued to advance, I would take that shot. Marines are not in the business of burning babies.

good on you but the dilemma there james is WAR, sh!t like those does happen, following chain of command ...any sense of humanity within you may be in conflict. blind obedience as what others say...or would you rather disobey direct orders from a commanding officer. ignore such orders, yes?
that's a bit off, when one is willing to throw out morals outside the window when god commands it.

[jamesmusslewhite]

@james

how sure can one be to distinguish which is which? what is what? who is who? not an easy feat especially for one who employs FAITH regarding decisions that easily.
I belief the creator of all things, the one that created Satan, That yields the power of the Holly Ghost, and can manipulate and control time, space, and matter; could make himself known without a doubt. Not just cheap mind tricks, magic tricks, or smoke and mirrors.

i told you, i accept full accountability regarding my actions and decisions i made or going to make. if sh!t does happen, i dont point to somebody, or someone especially some unseen deity to pin such blame...i look, check and reflect on what i've done. mind you, i did not even specify which god specifically is THE god in that scenario...nevertheless, if this god pops out of nowhere and puts me in that predicament/spotlight, asks me to do those crazy sh!t like kill somebody just to prove LOVE and LOYALTY...i'd stand by my choice: NO, and i wont hesitate to wave my middle finger. FEAR? a tool commonly employed by godists to bring one to down to their knees, submission and to their fold...see past bullcrap. i'm more fearful of MAN and his/her darker shade to be exact.
You may, but before the most powerful presents on our universe, your true father, you creator; well that one I am still skeptical. I understand that in your heart in your present condition you fully believe you would react that way. I just believe that in his presents that reality may very well change, not out of weakness rather from the higher consciousness of that experience.

good on you but the dilemma there james is WAR, sh!t like those does happen, following chain of command ...any sense of humanity within you may be in conflict. blind obedience as what others say...or would you rather disobey direct orders from a commanding officer. ignore such orders, yes?
that's a bit off, when one is willing to throw out morals outside the window when god commands it.
That was a subject that Fleet Marines have to deal with and is subject of deep contemplations, being part of the Department of Navy the Marines serve as a security barrier between the Captains of ships and his Navy subordinates against acts of mutiny. You make Navy friends while serving on-board ships; but in the back of your mind you know that if ordered to point weapons at them, that you must, and if ordered to kill? Prime Objective can sometimes be a bitch. Makes it hard to want to be good friends and not just casual acquaintances.

I trust in my faith in my God and Christ, and follow the scriptural laws that pertain to Gentiles. I try to be the best citizen in this family of mankind that I can be. I believe in the Cosmic Karma, that everything works itself out in the end. The realignment or wrongs made right, and every evil man will face the judgments he eluded. I believe there is order and a method to the madness, the picture is just too large for mere man to grasp. I understand the complexity of this spiritual battlefield in which we were all born. I understand the secrete of life.
The eternal questions of self: Why was I born? Why do bad things happen to me? Why do good things happen to me? Why do I have sickness? why must I die? why me? why me? why me? etc.
3 simple words
Why Not You!

[Malic]

Yes you can be a moral person because you are divine.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Yes you can be a moral person because you are divine.

The Atheist will not accept that being divine makes you Moral, for their interpretation excludes the concept of divine being their disbelief in religions.
Rather it should be said that if you are divine and live morally it make you Righteous.

[AmorsoloX]

A person can ware religion on their sleeve, attend or participate actively in their religions ceremonies and still be absolutely godless. Religion is just a word used by too many, and words are cheap. Me I am this or I am that, mine is better than yours, I am right and their are wrong. They actually have no idea of what their religions demand of them, rather they want to make demands on their religion. A person has to live their religion to be truly religious. Few can do that even the religious authorities of the various religions fail due the desires and weakness of man's nature.

bravo

[Alel]

There are other ways in introducing good values to an individual other than through satiation (giving reward: heaven, everlasting life, blessings, etc.) and punishment (self-explanatory: Hell, bad luck, etc.). But it just seems that these two are accepted as the most effective. It seems that all religion that I know of incorporated these two techniques in their teachings and doctrines.

But is religion the only way to teach good values and morals to someone? Nope. It might be the most effective, but I don't see that this is the only way.