You can be a moral person without God...

[munzter666]

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Exactly, people who are poor tend to be religious and most crimes are committed where poverty is prevalent because people are desperate and poor. That is why statistic shows that countries that have mediocre economy are predominantly religious...in their daily struggle God is there only hope and reason to live on life.

Since you can not show a poor atheist country that fair better than poor christian countries like Mexico, Brazil or the Philippines, you can not conclusively claim that the high incidence of crimes and corruption are cause primarily because the population are christians.

There is no atheist in the slums...only people who had bad feeling against God because of their situation and thought they are an atheist. One become an atheist through the triumphed of human reason within him not simply by any ill feelings. Poor people don't have the luxury of contemplating the whole day whether there is God while there stomach ache and mumbles for something...

An atheist looks good only with a glass of champagne in a hand sitting and watching the sun goes down the horizon.

really!? no atheists in the slums? you mean to say poor people are incapable for such REASON.
the fact that you pointed out using god as a pacifier of some sort a scapegoat, a form of escapism when they cant handle REALITY. the offer of something BETTER than their current predicament. a good excuse to slack off and waste this life they're living in, NOW.

and you're forgetting one significant detail, atheists are a MINORITY...still is last time i checked.

Poor people don't have the luxury of contemplating the whole day whether there is God while there stomach ache and mumbles for something...

that's why for those who figured it out, they used god as a BIZZNIZ strategy to keep in exchange a full stomach, golden seats, expensive shoes, the whole shibang. -->trying to get a head in the HERD.

[munzter666]

The story says that that was under the authority of God. That he commanded rival tribes Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites be killed and driven out of the lands of Isreal. What was their crime in the eyes of God?

Exodus 34:13 "But you shall destroy their alters, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images."

where's the part where they kill them kids and babies, pets and livestock. take little girls for ***/slaves and trophies...do i dare continue.

atrocities no matter how gruesome/disturbing they are...becomes a so-so; an easy pass, when justified with god and his werd/bible. hoooray for that.

morality?? what they had was an IN-GROUP morality to be exact.

james...your succeeding post scares the sh!t out of me.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Answer me this as directly as you can sans your usual wall-of-text reply.

If god asked you to do any of those things, would you?

If he were in fact the Great Creator of the Universe, earth, and man , and I am sure he could easily prove that he was in fact truly God and not just my dog talking to me or little voices in my head.
YES, without hesitation. I would do God's will.

Would I have fear, sadness, regrets? Absolutely even ex-Marines have hearts, we follow our commands when others fail. I would not expect you to understand that. Of course if God were to come to you, then you would know you were wrong and that there was in fact a God. You would realize you had made a huge mistake, that all you believed was a lie.

Would you really compound that mistake by telling God No, and telling him to f*ck off and do it himself. Then proceed to narrate to him what a huge dick he is?
Would that be before or after you soiled your underwear, fell on your face and begged for forgiveness?

[jamesmusslewhite]

where's the part where they kill them kids and babies, pets and livestock. take little girls for ***/slaves and trophies...do i dare continue.
Yes dare please. That will be a lot of text to write, but it allows you to dust off you bible to make sure your statements are correct and based of factual comments.

atrocities no matter how gruesome/disturbing they are...becomes a so-so; an easy pass, when justified with god and his werd/bible. hoooray for that.
So what can be said about Atheist like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? That right they did not believe in the Bible either.

morality?? what they had was an IN-GROUP morality to be exact.
Well that is for ancient Hebrew Israelites to deal with, of course 6-1/2 million unarmed Jews murdered almost to extinction is no big deal. They probable deserved that because of the actions of 3,000 year old dead ancestors, right.

james...your succeeding post scares the sh!t out of me.
Why because I believe in God and would follow his will?

It is nice for you to judge God for what he had the Israelites do 3,000 years ago, while not being availed of all the facts of that time. You actually have no idea what those 5 societies were actually like, whether they were in fact good or evil cultures. Yet you are not appalled by 70 million deaths of citizen under Atheist Lenin, Stalin, and Mao done in the last 60 years.

I love the double standard, very moral. You high ground act is cute.

[wenlove24]

You can be a moral person without God...

Impossible! when the source of all morality is the Creator...of all things...both seen and unseen...
Do you realize that there are no real atheists? An atheist is a nonbeliever. Can you think of any living, breathing, eating, drinking and sleeping being who does not believe in anything? Nobody right? Even a man on the brink of suicide believes in something (that life isn't worth living anymore). To be able to live, one must believe in something.. Our thoughts, opinions and personalities have certain yardsticks whether good or bad.
To be moral without God is like saying I am a better thief among thieves bec. I only steal according to need. If we base our actions on anything other than God, it will bear no good fruit.

[munzter666]

Why because I believe in God and would follow is will?
It is nice for you to judge God for what he had the Israelites do 3,000 years ago, while not being availed of all the facts of that time. You actually have no idea what those 5 societies were actually like, whether they were in fact good or evil cultures. Yet you are not appalled by 70 million deaths of citizen under Atheist Lenin, Stalin, and Mao done in the last 60 years.

I love the double standard, very moral. You high ground act is cute.

double standard? since when did i imply those communist atrocities are justifiable. nice try james.

So what can be said about Atheist like Lenin, Stalin, and Mao? That right they did not believe in the Bible either.

careful james, OTHER religions dont give a HOOOT about your bible too...and they are no atheist either.

Well that is for ancient Hebrew Israelites to deal with, of course 6-1/2 million unarmed Jews murdered almost to extinction is no big deal. They probable deserved that because of the actions of 3,000 year old dead ancestors, right.

again, watch were you're going james...der fuhrer did it according to god's will too. doing god a favor so to speak. no biggie you say?

judge god?? judge god you say?
are you kidding james, i only pointed out moses and his ilk and what they did AFTER receiving such 10 commandments and you tell me im judging your GOD...get real james, dont put words in my mouth please.

no idea what those 5 societies are? and you do?
;do you favor WIPING out different tribes and races; PEOPLE just because they dont follow your god james? luckily its not a NORM these days...no yet i suppose. i wonder why? could it be its max out INSANE.

so much for freedom of choice eh?

[munzter666]

If he were in fact the Great Creator of the Universe, earth, and man , and I am sure he could easily prove that he was in fact truly God and not just my dog talking to me or little voices in my head.
YES, without hesitation. I would do God's will.

Would I have fear, sadness, regrets? Absolutely even ex-Marines have hearts, we follow our commands when others fail. I would not expect you to understand that. Of course if God were to come to you, then you would know you were wrong and that there was in fact a God. You would realize you had made a huge mistake, that all you believed was a lie.

Would you really compound that mistake by telling God No, and telling him to f*ck off and do it himself. Then proceed to narrate to him what a huge dick he is?
Would that be before or after you soiled your underwear, fell on your face and begged for forgiveness?

then again, how would you know its god, the devil, or some screw loose insane in the membrane?

if it turns out there is a god, and this god asks me to do those things...
honestly james, if i was in the same predicament i wont just say NO...I wont hesitate to raise and wave my middle finger too. heck that god can take me to a hell of his/her/it's liking...at least i stood my ground against the greatest douche of this universe, for trying to make me to do those crazy shit.

do you hesitate, think twice if your commanding officer tells you to burn babies james?

[jamesmusslewhite]

then again, how would you know its god, the devil, or some screw loose insane in the membrane?
Satan can manipulate but not Create. It would take more than smoke and mirrors. My membrane is pretty tight.

if it turns out there is a god, and this god asks me to do those things...
honestly james, if i was in the same predicament i wont just say NO...I wont hesitate to raise and wave my middle finger too. heck that god can take me to a hell of his/her/it's liking...at least i stood my ground against the greatest douche of this universe, for trying to make me to do those crazy shit.
Proud boast but facing the true presents that which is God will probably struck too much fear for such actions.

do you hesitate, think twice if your commanding officer tells you to burn babies james?
Honestly I have not been put in that situation. I was taught to follow the Articles of War (established by the Geneva Convention) and the UCMJ (Uniform Code of Militery Justice). I have faith in the training and caliper of Marine Commanders. Marine Commanders are not God, even though some may think they were.
I was not trained to kill unarmed or innocent people. Snipers have had to kill civians and children entering kill zones, because they were given grenades to use when they get close to post. The kill zone is understood. Would I kill a child being use as a weapon by my enemy to save Marine lives, yes. But I would first try to wound, and if they continued to advance, I would take that shot. Marines are not in the business of burning babies.

I will still follow God's will and will not vear or change.

[schmuck]

If he were in fact the Great Creator of the Universe, earth, and man , and I am sure he could easily prove that he was in fact truly God and not just my dog talking to me or little voices in my head.
YES, without hesitation. I would do God's will.

Would I have fear, sadness, regrets? Absolutely even ex-Marines have hearts, we follow our commands when others fail. I would not expect you to understand that. Of course if God were to come to you, then you would know you were wrong and that there was in fact a God. You would realize you had made a huge mistake, that all you believed was a lie.

Would you really compound that mistake by telling God No, and telling him to f*ck off and do it himself. Then proceed to narrate to him what a huge dick he is?
Would that be before or after you soiled your underwear, fell on your face and begged for forgiveness?

then I rest my case. a person can throw morals out the window when "god" commands it. double standards much?

whats the thread title again? hmmm

[jamesmusslewhite]

then I rest my case. a person can throw morals out the window when "god" commands it. double standards much?

whats the thread title again? hmmm

We did a rare thing we hijacked a thread, but somehow stayed on topic, good exchange.