You can be a moral person without God...

[munzter666]

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There has to be a established Morality standard. Genghis Khan, Ivan the Terrible, Henry the Eight, Attila the Hun, Vlad the Impaler, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Nixon, or George W. Bush. Were liked by those that saw them as Moral, and even thought of themselves as moral; which is a problem. There has to be an accurate measuring stick. Religious Moral codes provide accepted social standards, many do not follow them but they give us the standard in which to judge their actions.

Man's Morality can change on a whelm or vary person to person. The standard must inflexible, unbending, set in stone. God only gave us 10 laws and if we followed them, we would not need the 50 Titled Volumes of law books in the US which contain the tens of thousands of laws used in the US alone.

speaking about the 10 commandments....like that helped moses and his crew. what do you suppose this people did upon ALLEGEDLY receiving such commandments from above?? right, wiped out a rival tribe not sparing pets nor livestock. so, whooopdeeedoo for that one.

[jamesmusslewhite]

speaking about the 10 commandments....like that helped moses and his crew. what do you suppose this people did upon ALLEGEDLY receiving such commandments from above?? right, wiped out a rival tribe not sparing pets nor livestock. so, whooopdeeedoo for that one.

The story says that that was under the authority of God. That he commanded rival tribes Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites be killed and driven out of the lands of Isreal. What was their crime in the eyes of God?

Exodus 34:13 "But you shall destroy their alters, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images."

[schmuck]

The story says that that was under the authority of God. That he commanded rival tribes Amorites, Canaanites, Hittites, Perizzites, Hivites, and Jebusites be killed and driven out of the lands of Isreal. What was their crime in the eyes of God?

Exodus 34:13 "But you shall destroy their alters, break their sacred pillars, and cut down their wooden images."

HELLO?? genocide ring any bells??

My gulay james, are you that deluded not to see the atrocity there?

read up james
The Sleveen Institute: Joshua, the Jericho Genocide and the Fallacy of Religious Morality

[jamesmusslewhite]

HELLO?? genocide ring any bells??

My gulay james, are you that deluded not to see the atrocity there?

read up james
The Sleveen Institute: Joshua, the Jericho Genocide and the Fallacy of Religious Morality

1,066 school children, ages 8-14, in order to test "the effect of uncritical teaching of the Bible on the propensity for forming prejudices (particularly the notion of the 'chosen people,' the superiority of the monotheistic religion, and the study of acts of genocide by biblical heroes).

So you are saying that a study done in a war zone country like Israel. The one people in the world most persecuted for their belief in God. The fact that they still choose to believe they are the chosen people, and answered according to their believes in that God. This is suppose to mean that Man is suppose to reject the word of God? And you call me deluded? You can try to put God on trial all you want. I am not so self delusional as to think I have the right to judge the will of God. Nor am I going to choose to question events 3,000 years ago. We are not what man was 3,000 years ago, and can not truly know all the facts of the people at that time. There have been many evil cultures through out our history. You think Atheist are incapable of killing, and committing evil acts? Men are men, religion is just an excuse, a man can claim to be religious and in fact be just the opposite. Religious is just a word if you do not live that life which it requires. Most men that claim to be religious are in fact liars, mostly they lie to themselves which also makes them fools.

You have the right to believe or disbelieve religions, choose to love or hate God. I happen to believe in God and Christ, and will not make the mistake of trying to question of judge their will. Me I just do what they tells me to do. So if that makes my mind deluded the so be it. Better to have my mind deluded than have my soul polluted. Bless you, and I hope someday you actually become enlightened. First you have to stop blaming religion for the evil that men do. The acts of evil men in the past in the false name of religion, are only evil acts by evil men. They chose to use religion as a blanket for their vial acts. The same can be said about Atheist, just because they choose not to believe and follow God will not exclude them from the punishments of God. God is real, Christ is real, and Satan is real. Who do you choose to follow, that is the eternal question, claiming ignorance just means you are the unknowing disillusioned follower of the latter? That is the truth, you are welcome to disagree all you wish, after all I am just deluded.

[schmuck]

Let me get this out clearly,

If god commanded me to wipe out an entire people I'd tell him to f*ck off and do it himself.
Then I would proceed to narrate to him what a huge dick he is.

God command Joshua to wipe out a people - OK

" The children's answers to the question "Do you think Joshua and the Israelites acted rightly or not?," were categorized as follows: "'A' means total approval, 'B' means partial approval or disapproval, and 'C' means total disapproval." Across a broad spectrum of Israeli social and economic classes, 66% of responses were "A," 8% "B," and 26% "C."

Do some minor substitution and the entire thing flips on its head

As a control group, Tamarin tested 168 children who were read Joshua 6:20-21 with "General Lin" substituted for Joshua and a "Chinese Kingdom 3000 years ago" substituted for Israel. General Lin got a 7% approval rating, with 18% giving partial approval or disapproval, and 75% disapproving totally.

Your reaction is the exact same thing that was observed in the study. Where are your morals james?

Me I just do what they tells me to do. So if that makes my mind deluded the so be it. Better to have my mind deluded than have my soul polluted.

oh and yes, you are deluded.

[jamesmusslewhite]

Let me get this out clearly,

If god commanded me to wipe out an entire people I'd probably tell him to f*ck off and do it himself.
Then I would proceed to narrate to him what a huge dick he is.

God command Joshua to wipe out a people - OK
Yes, I am sure you will, then you would soon learn the errors of such an action.

Do some minor substitution and the entire thing flips on its head
Your reaction is the exact same thing that was observed in the study. Where are your morals james?
I am going to follow God every time. God is my moral compass. I am going to follow his word to the letter. I am not going question God's will. Will I apologize for that? Absolutely not.


I accept then your definition of being deluded, because I am not turning my back to God and Christ. I know I will be proven correct in the End. Those disillusioned by Satan's lies will have your own problems to deal with, and those problems are not mine to worry about. I may not understand or have your type of so called enlightenment, but I understand the truths which elude you.

When we meet God face to face, and we will. We will be too busying begging him to forgive our arrogance and acts of false pride. But then it will be too late to change the actions of our life, salvation was just a small prayer and simple faith away. You probably will not be barking insults and big talking God.

[schmuck]

When you meet God face to face, and you will. You will be too busying begging him to forgive your arrogance and acts of false pride. You will not be barking insults and big talking to God.

People like you are what scares me. People like your are able to condone atrocities in the name of god. You are no different from the guys who blow themselves up thinking they are doing their gods will.

Newsflash: There is no god to insult.

[Existanz]

ZERO crime rate!? uhhhm, they got more brothels on their outskirts/city limits than amsterdam's red light district if i'm not mistaken.

and is there ever or was there ever an ATHEIST country to begin with? some countries may be NON religious centered/IRRELIGIOUS perhaps, but that doesnt automatically make it an atheist country.

Exactly, people who are poor tend to be religious and most crimes are committed where poverty is prevalent because people are desperate and poor. That is why statistic shows that countries that have mediocre economy are predominantly religious...in their daily struggle God is there only hope and reason to live on life.

Since you can not show a poor atheist country that fair better than poor christian countries like Mexico, Brazil or the Philippines, you can not conclusively claim that the high incidence of crimes and corruption are cause primarily because the population are christians.

There is no atheist in the slums...only people who had bad feeling against God because of their situation and thought they are an atheist. One become an atheist through the triumphed of human reason within him not simply by any ill feelings. Poor people don't have the luxury of contemplating the whole day whether there is God while there stomach ache and mumbles for something...

An atheist looks good only with a glass of champagne in a hand sitting and watching the sun goes down the horizon.

[jamesmusslewhite]

People like you are what scares me. People like your are able to condone atrocities in the name of god. You are no different from the guys who blow themselves up thinking they are doing their gods will.
Why I wish no harm for my fellow man, I will not lie, steal, cheat, lust after your things or your wife, bare false witness, or Murder. I have compassion for my neighbors and feed, cloth, and love my neighbors. I am not the one judging and I am not the one projecting hatred on another. I will not strap a bomb and blow up babies, sorry wrong religion because Christ does not teach such foolishness. I read the bible for myself and do not follow any man-made religious denomination. I know my place as a Gentile and the rules of my Bible that apply to me. I am Gentile not Jewish, Catholic, Protestant, or Muslims. I do not see anything in the scriptures that says I have the right to judge or show hatreds to my fellow man. I do not see anywhere in the Bible that says Gentiles are better than anyone else. I believe all men are cousins because we all stepped off the big boat and are all God's children.

You believe there is no-God, survival of the fittest, and natural selection. Which one of us should our neighbor's fear most? What is your Moral compass? Where is it written so it can be checked and verified to measure your morals? Or do you just make them up as you go?

Newsflash: There is no god to insult.
Newsflash: That is just your uneducated opinion, a comment of your own faith. God will remind you of that comment later.

You can believe that if it makes you feel better. I only stated what is written and try to be as respectful to others as possible. You can project all the sins and evils of religion onto me as you wish, but they do not apply to me. Those sins are not mine to bare. It is misplaced anger. I still choose to walk with God and Christ. Your path leads to no place I wish to be.

[schmuck]

Why I wish no harm for my fellow man, I will not lie, steal, cheat, lust after your things or your wife, bare false witness, or Murder.

Answer me this as directly as you can sans your usual wall-of-text reply.

If god asked you to do any of those things, would you?