NOAH's FLOOD A MYTH?

[chad_tukes]

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"It can be argued that some of the greatest were atheists. their writing about religion during their time can leave no doubt that some of them were atheist."
Show me your proof to this fabrication of facts. because the real history shows just the opposite.
This post unfortunately exposed your failings and basic understandings of both World and American History. You actually are not bright and clever, rather you are quite average. Prove me wrong.

You always demand proof and facts, yet never actually provide any real evidence yourself. That is not a good trait.

Show your proof:
Leninist and Stalinist Russia were religious and not Atheist states
Mao's China was religious and not Atheist "Read the Dali Lama's accounts of his meeting with Mao"
Some of the Greatest Founding Fathers were in fact Atheist, and just "How Many" is some out of the 204.

i probably worded it wrongly and it was an honest mistake (none of America's forefathers admitted to Atheism, and that's the FACT). so... let me rephrase that if you will.

"It can be argued that some of the greatest might have been atheists. their writings about religion during their time can leave no doubt that some of them would have been atheists in our time."

are we good? now on to the facts why i said such statement:

-Jefferson once said "Christianity is the most perverted system that ever shone on man" --- which can be compatible with deism at the same time Atheism.

-James Madison described anti-clericalism by saying "During almost fifteen centuries has the legal establishment of Christianity been on trial. What have been its fruits? More or less in all places, pride and indolence in the Clergy, ignorance and servility in the laity, in both, superstition, bigotry and persecution."

-John Adams stated "This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were no religion in it."

...and of course, the same can be said with Benjamin Franklin when he said "Lighthouses are more useful than churches."

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i'll stop for now and will continue my reply tomorrow. are you asking me to show you proofs and facts? how can you ask me when you failed to provide the same when i first asked you? hehehe you never fail to amuse me James. i'm off for now... it's midnight here and i have to work early in the morning. take care James.... and know your World (especially American) history.

[kebotDiNaMute]

the purpose of myth is to hide the real message/story with an entertaining unreal story... just like the parable of Jesus

hmmm... parable is a moral story... myth is history/his-story. The descipline is different...

the purpose of hiding the real message/story...
-parable don't hide the story parable hide the person/responsible...
-myth hide the story.

[kebotDiNaMute]

ngano man jud kana imong einsist noy nga wa mn ko gasulti ana

nag-ask ko ana kay tungud kay kung sila pareng noah lang ang naluwas sa flood then nganong naa may niggers/insik/whitemen/etc.. ? .... ni-evolve ba ang tawo maong nahimo silang ingun ana?

mao na akong pasabot noy, dili kay paingun sa onggoy ang present nga tao .. kay kung mao na, aw pass sad ko ana oi!

nvm,

ni-evolve ba ang tawo maong nahimo silang ingun ana?
--- you are asking variation of human kind... they are still human...
--- evolution said: not monkey not man, became homo sapiens sapiens...(or ikaw)

Well you see LIGER and TYGON right? they are still cat... they are no dinosaur, nor bird... Evolution happens brad... but with limit. its called variation of its kind. no conflict upto this level... beyond that... that remains unsolved unobserved and a lie.

[kebotDiNaMute]

Is there such thing as good and bad religion master kebot?

religion is about moral brad reg...

if a religion teaches you something like to kill, to steal and to destroy... then what do you call it? good religion with bad habbits? hmmm...

yes reg there is such a thing...

[kebotDiNaMute]

unfortunately, employing FAITH in the equation. certainly, does not compute.

evolution and creation are both in FAITH. You just dont realize it but they have numbers too...

[kebotDiNaMute]

...and Hitler was a Christian. oh wait, Hitler only killed 17 million people. not a whole lot.

Hitler never formally renounced Catholicism. though a lot of Christians today are fond of making "Hitler is an Atheist" an example---and we burst their bubble by saying, "no he's not!"

how ridiculous and bias is that James. yes, Stalin and Mao were atheists---but they didn't kill millions of people because they were atheists. as to whether atheism systemically influences people to do bad things, there is not a slight evidence for it.

chad even you became a believers somewhere in your life. Its not about the events of your life that matters chad, its about how you live your life....

if hitler believe in Christianity, he wont kill the jew... it so happen he believe on something totally different from christianity. Yes, he became an ally to roman catholic... do you know the reason behind it? did people saw hitler attending mass? hmmm... even so... killing cannot be justified... there is no such thing in what we believe in... Even unborn child we cannot afford to kill. Athiest can do it simply... so whats the difference between hitler and an athiest? action speaks for it self chad...

[romano2717]

religion is about moral brad reg...

if a religion teaches you something like to kill, to steal and to destroy... then what do you call it? good religion with bad habbits? hmmm...

yes reg there is such a thing...

unsa kha ni nga religion ang ing-ane og teachings noh?
IMO, there's no bad or good religion.
Religion is simply a guide for you to understand correctly and follow correcty.
naa na2x nmo kng pataka lng kag gamit sa imong nkamahoan sa imong relihiyon.

[Malic]

the purpose of myth is to hide the real message/story with an entertaining unreal story... just like the parable of Jesus

correct! parables and myths have similarities. The real intended meaning is given only to the initiates.

[kebotDiNaMute]

hmm.. i see no problem with that.. there are time when you really need to kill potential trouble makers.. didnt the inquisition did the same? killing those who defied the church?.. genocide is only a political tool used for political purposes.. religion is also a political organism, its not limited to the catholic church, even the muslims are using islam for their claim in mindanao, religion is the prostitute of politics.... morality is subjective.. what is moral to you may not be to another...

pida...

there are time when you really need to kill potential trouble makers..
--- do you call this OK. brad, i can see you a trouble maker.. does it justify someone to kill you? omg... I don't buy this idea of yours brad. We present trouble to someone in someway... dont ever think about killing. What would be the world like when people is justified to what you have claimed...

politicians are killing each other... you like that? hmmm. this is the cause of the sickness... people cannot identify what is right and what is wrong.

tsk tsk tsk....

inquisition, holocaust, ethnic cleansing... ok lang diay? d brad oi... stand your ground and tell your child its wrong.

lets say for example...

tanan mga kawatan patyon... brad patay ta tanan... once in our life... nangawat ta oi...
tanan mga snatcher patyon... well, kung pasumanginlan ka aw... patay deds...
tanan mga bayot patyon, aw wala nay maglibod og pangorte, manicure pedicure... jok...

point brad, ayaw jud e justify na ok lang mo patay... kay SAYOP KAAU NA. Let the laws of the land decide it... i tell you there are people around who will fight against it. gud day.

[chad_tukes]

No where we differ, is every day I try to fit the pieces of the bigger puzzle together, but I use all the pieces of religion and science to find the larger picture. You try to make the pieces you choose to fit into your own concept of what the puzzle should be.

nope. in reality you are not solving a bigger puzzle coz if you were, you wouldn't be making such stunning conclusive statements about the Bible without REAL back up evidence. the burden of proof is on you to disprove your belief. until now, you and 99% of Christians cannot give validity to your beliefs. thus, it is as good as delusion.

Yes I am sure your year of History taught you so much and then you make statements that show you actually know very little. I have studied history longer than you have been alive, and I still do not have a total grasp. You could devote a year to study just one decade in history and not know everything that occurred in that decade. The Revolutionary war, Civil war, WW1, the Great Depression, WW2, Cold war, Vietnam each of these events changed and influenced America as we now know it. You don't know squat yet.

i do not claim to know tons of information on history. however, i am willing to read and learn about history. even devoting a whole life studying history is not enough. just look at you---you also don't know squat yet. it's pretty evident.

You ignore too much, and transfix on too small of a point. What does and Agreement with Barbary Pirates written 20 years after the country was founded, have to do with the Founding Father and their core beliefs when establishing the foundations of the United States, or America being founded on Christian values?
204 unique individuals in this group of "Founding Fathers." These are the people who did one or more of the following:

- signed the Declaration of Independence
- signed the Articles of Confederation
- attended the Constitutional Convention of 1787
- signed the Constitution of the United States of America
- served as Senators in the First Federal Congress (1789-1791)
- served as U.S. Representatives in the First Federal Congress

Hate to bust you little lie bubble you choose to exist in, but they were all church goers and considered themselves Religious.

no worries---you didn't burst any little lie bubble. you keep arguing that America has been founded on core religious values but you deny the fact that our forefathers were secularists so you take secularism out of the equation and keep injecting RELIGION in America's foundation. you did not or cannot present any evidence of your argument, therefore it is not valid to say contradictory statements about America's history.

do not ignore the significance of the Treaty of Tripoli. this Treaty was drafted in 1796 under George Washington and signed by John Adams in 1797.

seriously, do you even know anything about this treaty. have you read it? i suggest you do, because it details what America IS NOT. your biased religious views make you anxious to push your own version of America's history. you keep telling me to know my history and i know little about it. well, everytime you tell me that, i'll pass it on to you. your turn.