You can be a moral person without God...

[AmorsoloX]

question..

ngano kintahay blessed are the poor for they shall inherit the kingdom of God or something like that.. ang mga dato diay?
so kinsa nman lang diay pwede madato? maybe mga pari ra naa daw kuno right ma dato..

blessed are the weak so they shall rule the earth.. na... magkagubot jud ni.. nobody follows a weak person rba..

the church is pro-poor.. they want you to be poor.. while they become rich..

the church wants you to be weak and helpless. to be dependent on the church.. so that you will become a fanatic and do whatever the church tells you..

sa uto2x lang gud... atleast ang church wala moingon nga mag suicide bombing ka.. well.. not yet anyway...

[AmorsoloX]

nindut ang zeitgeist.. excerpt gkan sa wiki..

Christianity is thereby argued to be a Gnostic myth, historicized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are presented as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following is said in conclusion: "Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish."

all the other chapters or parts.. murag lisud katoohan.. but the motives might be possible...
greed is integral to man.. even to the point of using divine knowledge for the sake of enriching themselves.. kini ra man gud part nga murag katoohan

i wont argue that Christ and Mohammad were holy men.. they are worthy of respect.. so is mother theresa, mohatma gandhi.. St. francis, n others. but the problem is their are people who have knowledge who use that knowledge to acquire power for themselves.. by twisting it to suit their wishes..

knowledge is power.. and power corrupts...

[jamesmusslewhite]

qoute lang nako ang interesting part.. sayang space tanan ako i qoute..



so are you saying my God is not the right god because he is not the christian God? if people think of your Christ as a doorknob, then you'd be also a foolish doorknob.. wouldnt that logic make Mohammed and other prophets from other religions doorknobs too?..

No, because there is no God of Doorknobs; but if a religion starts up that worship doorknobs than please feel free to join it if you choose. There are many religions in the world, and Christians, Jews, and Muslims each claim to follow the God of Abraham. Abraham's sons became the 12 tribes of Israel so they are Jews and follow text written over 3,300 years ago. Christians follow Jesus the Christ, who the Jews called Rabbi, born over 1,900 years ago and follow text written within 30 years after his death and resurrection. Muslims follow the Qur'an which is comprised by the teachings of an Adnani Arab prophet written over 1,350 years ago. The Jews wrote of the prophetical coming of the Christ, Christians follow the teachings of the Christ, and the Muslims choose to minimize the Christ and his teachings. That is just the truth and Historical facts, and their religious text reflects the concepts of their views.


hmm.. so your telling me im going to hell just because i dont have the same belief as you.. tsk tsk tsk.. mao jud ni nka daot sa religion..

No, because it says we will all be judged in the end, each according to their deeds and beliefs, and if they rejected the words of God and each will receive his rewards or punishment . Christ just offer freedom from the Second Death. This was written 1,900 years before I was even born. These are not my rules or words. Reject them if you choose, you are a bright man and you will be judged on the decisions you make. There is only one Creator and many religions, who is to say that members of other religions will not find their way into heaven. That is case by case, and according to the lives of each man. The Final Judgment will be a sliding scale that adapts to each man's condition.

I merely follow the Christ, who taught that following him would give me salvation, Grace from his Father, everlasting life, and freedom from the Final Judgment and Second Death.

so unsa man jud? langit sila or dili? dba dili si christ ila gi follow sa salvation, so sa imung statement before, they're going to hell coz they arent doing it in accordance to your Christ's teachings?

No, and that is not what is written in the New Testament; only, that it may be harder to receive eternal salvation if you choose to ignore his teachings. Even if you hear his teachings you still have to live your life by his teachings. There is no "Get Out of Hell Free Card" salvation is not cheap. But if you do not read the books and find those answers for yourself, then you may be making the God's Grace harder to receive. You have one short life time to figure it out, and an eternity to regret wrong decisions.

You can choose to ignore Christ teachings if you choose. Christ stated that he was the way to his Father, and only through him. I believe that was only pertaining to his Grace to avoid the Second Death of the Final Judgment. There will still be the Final Judgment and all those that do not choose to follow his teachings will be there. Each man will have his day in court to state his case, so each man has the chance to enter Heaven.
I just choose to follow Christ and not have to suffer the Final Judgment and the Second death. You can do what ever you choose, follow what ever God you choose, follow no God if you choose. You can even decide to line up right behind Satan and march right over the edge of the pit; most will, so if that is the path you choose, you will have a lot of company.

I just choose to avoid that party.

[jamesmusslewhite]

nindut ang zeitgeist.. excerpt gkan sa wiki..

Christianity is thereby argued to be a Gnostic myth, historicized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are presented as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following is said in conclusion: "Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish."

all the other chapters or parts.. murag lisud katoohan.. but the motives might be possible...
greed is integral to man.. even to the point of using divine knowledge for the sake of enriching themselves.. kini ra man gud part nga murag katoohan

i wont argue that Christ and Mohammad were holy men.. they are worthy of respect.. so is mother theresa, mohatma gandhi.. St. francis, n others. but the problem is their are people who have knowledge who use that knowledge to acquire power for themselves.. by twisting it to suit their wishes..

knowledge is power.. and power corrupts...

I know that if you were a true followers of Judaism, Christ or Mohammad; that you would not believe the statements you made above. They each teach that God was a perfect being, and not as an imperfect God or Demiurge. Demiurge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have little knowledge is even a more dangerous thing, it makes you prey for stupidity

[blue_ice]

You can choose to ignore Christ teachings if you choose. Christ stated that he was the way to his Father, and only through him. I believe that was only pertaining to his Grace to avoid the Second Death of the Final Judgment. There will still be the Final Judgment and all those that do not choose to follow his teachings will be there. Each man will have his day in court to state his case, so each man has the chance to enter Heaven.
I just choose to follow Christ and not have to suffer the Final Judgment and the Second death. You can do what ever you choose, follow what ever God you choose, follow no God if you choose. You can even decide to line up right behind Satan and march right over the edge of the pit; most will, so if that is the path you choose, you will have a lot of company.

I just choose to avoid that party.

FACT: ALL CHRISTIANS ARE SAVED and WILL HAVE ETERNAL LIFE in the Kingdom of God...
According to the bible, Christ will come back and will separate all Christians into two groups for his millennial kingdom (1000 years reign).
* Overcomers are those believers who faithfully follow the Lord's will....
* Defeated Christians are those believers who neglect and disobey God's will...
The Overcomers will stay with Christ in the Kingdom of Heavens, while the defeated Christians will be punished in the abyss ('darkness') for their Christian lives to be matured.
After the millennium reign is over, all Christians will be with God in his kingdom, called New Jerusalem.

Note: CHRIST WILL NOT COME BACK UNTIL THE GOSPEL IS PREACHED TO EVERYONE. So if there are still some people who have not heard the name of Jesus, Christ will not come back yet.

How about the non-believers?
Non-believers are those people who have heard the Christian gospel but did not accept Christ as their Saviour. (PLEASE READ THE BIBLE FOR YOU GUYS TO FIND IT OUR FOR YOURSELVES THE DESTINATION OF THE NON BELIEVERS WHEN CHRIST COMES BACK)

[blue_ice]

nindut ang zeitgeist.. excerpt gkan sa wiki..

Christianity is thereby argued to be a Gnostic myth, historicized by the Roman Empire for social control of Europe through doctrines established at the First Council of Nicea. The Dark Ages, the Inquisitions and the Crusades are presented as events which maintained Europe's submission to The Vatican through Christianity. The following is said in conclusion: "Christianity, along with all other theistic belief systems [...] empowers those who know the truth, but use the myth to manipulate and control societies. [...] It reduces human responsibility to the effect that "God" controls everything, and in turn awful crimes can be justified in the name of Divine Pursuit. [...] The religious myth is the most powerful device ever created, and serves as the psychological soil upon which other myths can flourish."

all the other chapters or parts.. murag lisud katoohan.. but the motives might be possible...
greed is integral to man.. even to the point of using divine knowledge for the sake of enriching themselves.. kini ra man gud part nga murag katoohan

i wont argue that Christ and Mohammad were holy men.. they are worthy of respect.. so is mother theresa, mohatma gandhi.. St. francis, n others. but the problem is their are people who have knowledge who use that knowledge to acquire power for themselves.. by twisting it to suit their wishes..

knowledge is power.. and power corrupts...

The Myth of Jesus: A Refutation of the Zeitgeist - Part 1 - Refutation of Infidels

[blue_ice]

question..

ngano kintahay blessed are the poor for they shall inherit the kingdom of God or something like that.. ang mga dato diay?
so kinsa nman lang diay pwede madato? maybe mga pari ra naa daw kuno right ma dato..

blessed are the weak so they shall rule the earth.. na... magkagubot jud ni.. nobody follows a weak person rba..

the church is pro-poor.. they want you to be poor.. while they become rich..

the church wants you to be weak and helpless. to be dependent on the church.. so that you will become a fanatic and do whatever the church tells you..

sa uto2x lang gud... atleast ang church wala moingon nga mag suicide bombing ka.. well.. not yet anyway...

Lol... You're talking about the Roman Catholic "Church?", not the true church spoken of in the bible.

[blue_ice]

I know that if you were a true followers of Judaism, Christ or Mohammad; that you would not believe the statements you made above. They each teach that God was a perfect being, and not as an imperfect God or Demiurge. Demiurge - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Have little knowledge is even a more dangerous thing, it makes you prey for stupidity

Correct...

The Myth of Jesus: A Refutation of the Zeitgeist - Part 1 - Refutation of Infidels

[AmorsoloX]

Lol... You're talking about the Roman Catholic "Church?", not the true church spoken of in the bible.

thats the point.. hehehehe.. im not against christianity.. but im very much against people who use it for their own benifit at the cost of the uto uto...

the catholic church is no way the true church...

just as much as christianity or islam as true religion as they claim to be

[jamesmusslewhite]

The Myth of Jesus: A Refutation of the Zeitgeist - Part 1 - Refutation of Infidels

Thank you for this URL it explains to me were this new and rather strange belief of Christianity was based. I am a Born Again Christian and only follow Christ's universal church. I am not a member of a man-made denomination. I understand the Covenants of the Hebrews and my my place as a Gentile, that Christ came of the Hebrew but was rejected and that is why salvation was then available for the Gentile. I know that I am only bound by the 10 Commandments and the Gospels of the New Testament. That only through the acceptance of his word and the Baptism if the heart can a Gentile find true salvation, forgiveness of the original sin, eternal live, and freedom from the Second death. I do not know if a man is truly moral that he can not go to heaven. I do now that because of my sins I should not expect to go to heaven whit out the Grace of the Christ. I give my praise to God "Aravat" and my burdens to the Christ "Yeshua".