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  1. #351

    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    i agree. it's the nature of man to feel satisfied with his state of living. to be fulfilled in his own humanity. it is man's conquest to feel happy knowing there is a God to save him. man has a natural instinct to love and to feel loved. that is why man put meaning to his life eventhough life in itself is meaningless/pointless.
    again this is our animal instinct

  2. #352
    i believe in GOD.. but i dont believe on what religions are saying on how to gain his blessings..

    i find the beauty and marvel of Gods design when i look into beautiful mathematical equations with their precision and order, i also am breathless when i imagine the physics of the universe.. such things couldnt have come from chaos without a guiding hand from a divine intelligence.

    we all respect the number "infinity" to me, that is a proof of the presence god..

    there is always a divine being. source of infinite wisdom...

    but the concept of good and evil is just made by men to suit their needs and desires..

    humans turn to religion because only religion proposes an imaginable picture of what happens after we die.. if people dont die, there would be no need for afterlife.. there would be no need to ask for it..

  3. #353
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    soon Gods? how do you define GOD in this statement? if we view it in a Darwinian sense, i may have to agree with you, because we have not ceased to evolve. we don't see it happening yet we see the products of evolution. so in a sense, we are still evolving, and there is scientific evidence to back it up. so yeah, maybe a million years from now, we will become "GODS" in our own right.

    back read the thread on my opinion about life being meaningless/pointless.
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    soon Gods?
    "gods" not "Gods"
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    how do you define GOD in this statement?
    we have different stages in life or we can say different levels, just like when we study, we start from nursery... after completing, we go to primary then secondary then college... then we work or we study more... in life, we start as minerals or nonliving things like rock, then plants, then animals, then humans, then gods... so when we don't know about our being gods, that would only mean that we are still animals, or when we are already humans and don't know about God yet, we will just "believe" that God exists, then it's up to us to study and experiment God's existence, we can "believe" forever or for simplicity and not use up our energies and resources, pretend to be animals and don't believe that God exists... believing God is next to knowing God... non believing God's existence would only mean that you don't want to evolve and don't want to increase your level

    science cannot prove the existence of God, even if we will use the most sophisticated microscope and telescope, still we cannot see God because it is not the right way of seeing God... and it is like you know about how great engineers are, you want to become one, but you take nursing or accountancy

    that is why man put meaning to his life eventhough life in itself is meaningless/pointless.
    the meaningless/pointless life is our animal life, man put meaning to his life by increasing his level from being an animal to being a human, then man believe in God as a first step of knowing God then becoming god

  4. #354
    Quote Originally Posted by AmorsoloX View Post
    i believe in GOD.. but i dont believe on what religions are saying on how to gain his blessings..

    i find the beauty and marvel of Gods design when i look into beautiful mathematical equations with their precision and order, i also am breathless when i imagine the physics of the universe.. such things couldnt have come from chaos without a guiding hand from a divine intelligence.

    we all respect the number "infinity" to me, that is a proof of the presence god..

    there is always a divine being. source of infinite wisdom...
    you can have no religion in believing in God... you can believe forever God's existence or you may want to know if God really existed... to know God is to become god...

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorsoloX View Post
    but the concept of good and evil is just made by men to suit their needs and desires..
    this is still designed by God... as you can see, we will not know good if we don't know what is evil

    Quote Originally Posted by AmorsoloX View Post
    humans turn to religion because only religion proposes an imaginable picture of what happens after we die..
    religion has a purpose... just like branches of science... different ways of believing God
    Quote Originally Posted by AmorsoloX View Post
    if people dont die, there would be no need for afterlife.. there would be no need to ask for it..
    we all need to die as part of our learning as human beings... to reincarnate into different lives, different cultures, different sexes, being poor and being rich, so also we can be born of different religions... and that's how we can fully learn as human beings by experience... and when we learn the lesson of our human existence and our purpose here, our next step will be knowing God

  5. #355
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    is this 'christ consciousness' a particle or a wave? a quality or a thing?
    it is a consciousness just like animal and human consciousness... particle or a wave? quality or a thing are part of our human consciousness... and Christ Consciousness is higher than that so we cannot describe it from that perspective

  6. #356
    Quote Originally Posted by buttmen View Post
    this is very Christian indeed. to regain our godly status....
    but to become god is, i'm not sure...this is way too far...maybe to become more like god, but not to become god... this is very Christian, doctrinally sound
    godly status still would mean being a "god" but not "God" of course, there is a big difference

    to know "God" is to become "god" and this is not limited to Christians only it is for all human beings... including atheist

    atheists still learning to believe God before their next step of knowing God, where as all those who believe in God will have no difficulty of knowing God as their next step after graduating as believers

  7. #357
    i find God my own way.. the way i find him is not thru wat the religions preach..

    nobody can say im right or wrong.. i have my own right to choose how i understand the infinite intelligence...

    anybody who takes away that right from me is a bastard and is a hypocrite.. nobody has a right to impose his/her own understanding of God to me.. each person has a different connection with God..

    i dont believe in good and evil.. i believe on cause and effect..

    God himself did not dictate what is good and what is evil but made force equals the product of mass and acceleration, matter equals to the square root of the product of energy and the velocity of light, etc..

    if God made good and evil. then there should have been nothing that is bad. good is just something what we humans like and bad is something wat we dont like..

    what we consider as bad or evil is simply the result of the conflicts of interests between man and man or man and nature or nature and nature...

  8. #358
    which GOd?

    the christian God? the muslim God? the jewish God? the hindu God? or what?

    everybody connects to God in his/her own way. Everybody believes and understand God his/her own way..

    as a fellow human, you can never say your God is the right deity, you can never say your understanding of God is the right one.. who are you to tell us who he is while in fact you are no more or less human than the rest of us..

    my God did not make good and evil.. he allowed me to do anything i wish as long as i can take responsibility for the consequences.. He gave me the sense of what is beyond "good and evil"..
    he created a rational being..

  9. #359
    Quote Originally Posted by skoilhp View Post
    the existence of God cannot be explained by our human consciousness

    so how to know then that God is inside me?
    God cannot be explained by our human consciousness---does that mean, then, that we have to believe that there is a GOD? that's illogical. i'd rather keep the concept of GOD as a scientific hypothesis rather than concluding that GOD is REAL.

    how to know that GOD is inside you? you wouldn't.

    "gods" not "Gods"
    i'm referring to GOD here as a Proper noun, doesn't matter if it's singular or plural.

    we have different stages in life or we can say different levels, just like when we study, we start from nursery... after completing, we go to primary then secondary then college... then we work or we study more... in life, we start as minerals or nonliving things like rock, then plants, then animals, then humans, then gods... so when we don't know about our being gods, that would only mean that we are still animals, or when we are already humans and don't know about God yet, we will just "believe" that God exists, then it's up to us to study and experiment God's existence, we can "believe" forever or for simplicity and not use up our energies and resources, pretend to be animals and don't believe that God exists... believing God is next to knowing God... non believing God's existence would only mean that you don't want to evolve and don't want to increase your level

    science cannot prove the existence of God, even if we will use the most sophisticated microscope and telescope, still we cannot see God because it is not the right way of seeing God... and it is like you know about how great engineers are, you want to become one, but you take nursing or accountancy
    oh noes... don't confuse "believing" in GOD with experimenting GOD. if you see GOD as unknowable and unreachable to grasp by human consciousness, not knowing GOD doesn't have to entail that we should BELIEVE in him. again, why believe in something that is beyond our limits to understand? you know, we have a conscious choice to believe what we believe. you can believe in the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but you choose not to, because you know there is no Flying Spaghetti Monster---yet you believe in GOD---yet you don't know if GOD exists or not.

    so don't ever say just because GOD is beyond our limits that we then have to believe in him. you're making it sound like we don't have a choice.

    the meaningless/pointless life is our animal life, man put meaning to his life by increasing his level from being an animal to being a human, then man believe in God as a first step of knowing God then becoming god
    man is an animal. again, you're confusing things. humans ARE animals. we ARE members of the animal kingdom.

  10. #360
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    so don't ever say just because GOD is beyond our limits that we then have to believe in him. you're making it sound like we don't have a choice.


    man is an animal. again, you're confusing things. humans ARE animals. we ARE members of the animal kingdom.
    i agree with this..

    why would you impose your own belief of God.. we arent machines you know.. whats the point of God giving us the power of choice if he forces us to believe in him, that would be contradictory to himself. whether you believe it or not. its your choice so please mind your own business and dont impose it on us coz we have other views on such matter

    why do you worry if somebody tells you your an animal.. arent you a homo sapien sapien? people should get in touch with their true identity.. truth will set you free.. humans are animals.. we are as flesh and blood as the dogs and cats and the monkeys..

    harness you animal nature.. embrace it.. truth will set you free from the confines of established superstitions (aka religion)

    bible (or other scripture) quoting people makes me sick...

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