Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[dartzed]

Unya ang book of james wala diay na karon sa Canon nga naa man ... problema na ni Luther ...

naa ko na read ang nga prophesied but daghan wala ka uyon sa interpretation kay e apil jud nila.

bisan kaykayon pana nila ... new testament according sa uban is written daw in Greek but actually it is originally in Hebrew.

Even the Church Fathers attest to this over and over again:

Papias (150-170 C.E.) Matthew composed the words in the Hebrew dialect, and each translated as he was able. (quoted by Eusebius Eccl. Hist. 3:39)

Ireneus (170 C.E.) Matthew also issued a written Gospel among the Hebrews in their own dialect. (Irenaeus; Against Heresies 3:1)

Origen (c. 210 C.E.) The first [Gospel] is written according to Matthew, the same that was once a tax collector, but afterwards an emissary of Yeshua the Messiah, who having published it for the Jewish believers, wrote it in Hebrew. (quoted by Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 6:25)

Eusebius (c. 315 C.E.) Matthew also, having first proclaimed the Gospel in Hebrew, when on the point of going also to the other nations, committed it to writing in his native tongue, and thus supplied the want of his presence to them by his writings. (Eusebius; Eccl. Hist. 3:24)

Epiphanius (370 C.E.) They [the Nazarenes] have the Gospel according to Matthew quite complete in Hebrew, for this Gospel is certainly still preserved among them as it was first written, in Hebrew letters. (Epiphanius; Panarion 29:9:4)

Jerome (382 C.E.) "Matthew, who is also Levi, and from a tax collector came to be an emissary first of all evangelists composed a Gospel of Messiah in Judea in the Hebrew language and letters, for the benefit of those of the circumcision who had believed, who translated it into Greek is not sufficiently ascertained. Furthermore, the Hebrew itself is preserved to this day in the library at Caesarea, which the martyr Pamphilus so diligently collected. I also was allowed by the Nazarenes who use this volume in the Syrian city of Borea to copy it. In which is to be remarked that, wherever the evangelist... makes use of the testimonies

It is undisputable! Of course it was written in Hebrew, as was anything else during that time that was considered Holy. It was all written in Mishnaic Hebrew.

ah ok ikaw gud..hehe

deli na mao ako pasabot nga giprophisized bro kad2ng 7 books bah in connection with the NEW TESTAMENT..

example.

New Testament - Matt. 2:16 - Herod's decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Wisdom. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.

New Testament - Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

New Testament - John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus', Luke's and Paul's usage of "signs and wonders" follows
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Wisdom 8:8. And if a man desire much knowledge: she knoweth things past, and judgeth of things to come: she knoweth the subtilties of speeches, and the solutions of arguments: she knoweth signs and wonders before they be done, and the events of times and ages.


New Testament - John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - 1 Macc. 4:59. And Judas, and his brethren, and all the church of Israel decreed, that the day of the dedication of the altar should be kept in its season from year to year for eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month of Casleu, with joy and gladness

ETC... dahan man au bro.. kani scripture by scripture jud cya..

[amingb]

ah ok ikaw gud..hehe

deli na mao ako pasabot nga giprophisized bro kad2ng 7 books bah in connection with the NEW TESTAMENT..

example.

New Testament - Matt. 2:16 - Herod's decree of slaying innocent children was prophesied in
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Wisdom. 11:7 - slaying the holy innocents.

New Testament - Matt.. 7:12 - Jesus' golden rule "do unto others" is the converse of
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Tobit 4:15 - what you hate, do not do to others.

New Testament - John 4:48; Acts 5:12; 15:12; 2 Cor. 12:12 - Jesus', Luke's and Paul's usage of "signs and wonders" follows
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - Wisdom 8:8. And if a man desire much knowledge: she knoweth things past, and judgeth of things to come: she knoweth the subtilties of speeches, and the solutions of arguments: she knoweth signs and wonders before they be done, and the events of times and ages.


New Testament - John 10:22 - the identification of the feast of the dedication is taken from
Old Testament(Apocryphal) - 1 Macc. 4:59. And Judas, and his brethren, and all the church of Israel decreed, that the day of the dedication of the altar should be kept in its season from year to year for eight days, from the five and twentieth day of the month of Casleu, with joy and gladness

ETC... dahan man au bro.. kani scripture by scripture jud cya..

So ug pasabot naay related text from the New Testament to the Deuterocanon does it mean nga is it part of the Bible ?

Naa sab koy mga retractions ana ....

Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi. (NASB) Matt. 2:16

For instead of of a perpetual running river troubled with foul blood, or a manifest reproof of that commandment, whereby the infants were slain, thou gavest unto them abundance of water by a means which they hoped not for: declaring by that thirst then how thou hadst punished their adversaries. Wisdom 11:6-8

The first passage was about Herod sending his soldiers to kill every two year-old baby in Bethlehem in order to kill Jesus. The Wisdom passage is about infants dying due to thirst.

Asay may related ana from Both Verese ?

kanang mga text from the New Testament nga makita sa Deuterocanon dili na sila parihas ug meaning ....

Dili nalang nako e post ang uban kay taas na kaau.

[amingb]

Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES '?

Nagpasabot ani nga verse nga the Scriptures was based on Hebrew Writings .. why ?

The builders - The scribes and priests, whose office it was to build up the Church .

Naa ba diay Greek ato nga time that is the one to estblished his Church but the Jews.


Luke 24:44-45 (King James Version)

44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Jesus considered the three major divisions of the Tanakh to be scripture.

The name "Tanakh" is a Hebrew acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Masoretic Text's three traditional subdivisions: The Torah ("Teaching", also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings")

Now karon the Apocryphal Books is written by Greek Authors.

Now karon ang Apocryphal Books does it talks concerning Jesus ?

Ang gibasihan karon sa mga Christian Churches is not the Theology of Luther we dont care of his Struggle.

Our Concern is Purely on Jesus Christ.

[dartzed]

So ug pasabot naay related text from the New Testament to the Deuterocanon does it mean nga is it part of the Bible ?

Naa sab koy mga retractions ana ....

Then when Herod saw that he had been tricked by the magi, he became very enraged, and sent and slew all the male children who were in Bethlehem and all its vicinity, from two years old and under, according to the time which he had determined from the magi. (NASB) Matt. 2:16

For instead of of a perpetual running river troubled with foul blood, or a manifest reproof of that commandment, whereby the infants were slain, thou gavest unto them abundance of water by a means which they hoped not for: declaring by that thirst then how thou hadst punished their adversaries. Wisdom 11:6-8

The first passage was about Herod sending his soldiers to kill every two year-old baby in Bethlehem in order to kill Jesus. The Wisdom passage is about infants dying due to thirst.

Asay may related ana from Both Verese ?

kanang mga text from the New Testament nga makita sa Deuterocanon dili na sila parihas ug meaning ....

Dili nalang nako e post ang uban kay taas na kaau.

hmmmmm sure ka dying due to thirst bro?.. i dont comprehend it nga namatay sa thirst.. the whole chapter of wisdom talks about slautering the innocent there is no such thing sa chapter nga ngtalk about water crisis..

[regnauld]

Purgatory is just a doctrine and nothing else...purgatory could be here and now depending on one's experience!

[dartzed]

Jesus said to them, "Did you never read in the Scriptures, 'THE STONE WHICH THE BUILDERS REJECTED, THIS BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone; THIS CAME ABOUT FROM THE LORD, AND IT IS MARVELOUS IN OUR EYES '?

Nagpasabot ani nga verse nga the Scriptures was based on Hebrew Writings .. why ?

The builders - The scribes and priests, whose office it was to build up the Church .

Naa ba diay Greek ato nga time that is the one to estblished his Church but the Jews.


Luke 24:44-45 (King James Version)

44And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.

Jesus considered the three major divisions of the Tanakh to be scripture.

The name "Tanakh" is a Hebrew acronym formed from the initial Hebrew letters of the Masoretic Text's three traditional subdivisions: The Torah ("Teaching", also known as the Five Books of Moses), Nevi'im ("Prophets") and Ketuvim ("Writings")

Now karon the Apocryphal Books is written by Greek Authors.

Now karon ang Apocryphal Books does it talks concerning Jesus ?

Ang gibasihan karon sa mga Christian Churches is not the Theology of Luther we dont care of his Struggle.

Our Concern is Purely on Jesus Christ.

lolz wala d i ka kbaw nga most jew sa ila time sa una kay ang widely gigamit nga language is greek?.. mao btaw nang gitranslate ang hebrew txt sa setuagint para mabasahan sa mga greek speaking jews..

hmmmmm lols mao rana imo gibasehan ang apocryphal books wala nagtalk concerning jesus?.. well what about exodus, numbers, judges, etc.. does these chapters talk about Jesus Christ?.. papure2x kapa dha murag wala kaman kabasa cguro ana nga chapters.. libog lang ko nimo bro dah..

[regnauld]

All of you may debate purgatory but that is a dead end because the debate itself is already an experience of PURGATORY OR HELL at its worst!

[Existanz]

All of you may debate purgatory but that is a dead end because the debate itself is already an experience of PURGATORY OR HELL at its worst!

Hahaha...do you mean to say Reg our existence is either hell or purgatory? hehehe...very reincarnationist of you!

[dartzed]

All of you may debate purgatory but that is a dead end because the debate itself is already an experience of PURGATORY OR HELL at its worst!

how sure are your claims?..

[regnauld]

Hahaha...do you mean to say Reg our existence is either hell or purgatory? hehehe...very reincarnationist of you!

I didn't say that.

Now reflect for a moment.

Do you think you are in harmony (heaven) when you are arguing or debating with others? Do you think heaven, hell and purgatory are places to go?