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    Malic,

    The Book of the Secrets of Enoch; Also known as Slavonic Enoch or 2 Enoch
    Chapter 22,XXII
    1. On the tenth heaven, (which is called) Aravoth, I saw the appearance of the Lords face, like iron made to glow in fire, and brought out, emitting sparks, and it burns.
    2. Thus (in a moment of eternity) I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvelous and very awful, and very, very terrible.
    3. And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, and of his very wonderful face? And I cannot tell the quantity of his many instructions, and various voices, the Lord's throne (is) very great and not made with hands, nor the quantity of those standing round him, troops of Cherubim and Seraphim, nor their incessant singing, nor his immutable beauty, and who shall tell of the ineffable greatness of his glory.
    4. And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me:
    5.Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.
    6. And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face.



    God may have made us in his image, but we are not that which is God. That is why some Christian sects are wrong when they think doing good deeds will make them like God. Good deeds alone are no guarantee that you can even be a righteous man. Man can only be a better man. Man can never be as his Creator, and can only be a faithful follower of God.

    The Qur'an is careful in the wording and does not create this misinterpretation. It properly distinguishes the differences between the Creator and his creation, Man.

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    How to destroy illusion?
    this part is where we contribute our own answer. Share your thoughts. No haters please. Your post should be in response to the question. any post other than that will be considered irrelevant.

    In the video "what the bleep do we know" I heard one woman saying; this illusion has created different kinds of problem for humanity. We think from the angle of we are seperate and different, because of that there is demarcation among races,colors,cultures in society. We need a new paradigm.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesmusslewhite View Post
    Malic,

    The Book of the Secrets of Enoch; Also known as Slavonic Enoch or 2 Enoch
    Chapter 22,XXII
    1. On the tenth heaven, (which is called) Aravoth, I saw the appearance of the Lords face, like iron made to glow in fire, and brought out, emitting sparks, and it burns.
    2. Thus (in a moment of eternity) I saw the Lord's face, but the Lord's face is ineffable, marvelous and very awful, and very, very terrible.
    3. And who am I to tell of the Lord's unspeakable being, and of his very wonderful face? And I cannot tell the quantity of his many instructions, and various voices, the Lord's throne (is) very great and not made with hands, nor the quantity of those standing round him, troops of Cherubim and Seraphim, nor their incessant singing, nor his immutable beauty, and who shall tell of the ineffable greatness of his glory.
    4. And I fell prone and bowed down to the Lord, and the Lord with his lips said to me:
    5.Have courage, Enoch, do not fear, arise and stand before my face into eternity.
    6. And the archistratege Michael lifted me up, and led me to before the Lord's face.



    God may have made us in his image, but we are not that which is God. That is why some Christian sects are wrong when they think doing good deeds will make them like God. Good deeds alone are no guarantee that you can even be a righteous man. Man can only be a better man. Man can never be as his Creator, and can only be a faithful follower of God.

    The Qur'an is careful in the wording and does not create this misinterpretation. It properly distinguishes the differences between the Creator and his creation, Man.
    Kining enoch dili mani considered as canon kay dili mani Hebrew Scripture ...

    literal ra kaau pagsabot sa uban kay image and likeness man ta sa Ginoo mura sab ta ug Ginoo ... hehehehe

    naa ko na read na i think im convince " He means He created man and woman to have a spirit, which is the image of God "

    Anyway sakto ka bro and also being righteous cannot guarantee as salvation ...

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    The God within you

    How to destroy illusion?

    this part is where we contribute our own answer. Share your thoughts. No haters please. Your post should be in response to the question. any post other than that will be considered irrelevant.
    When our eyes are open, we are limited to our human consciousness that we thought that we are living in a real world, it is so vivid with our eyes that everything looks real. If we analyze it, it is like when we are awake, we are actually dreaming.

    To destroy illusion is to close our eyes so we cannot see them anymore. And to tap the real us is to meditate. The image of God in us are our souls and that's the real us. Our human body is just an illusion. When we meditate, we stop all the illusion, we awaken the god in us, our souls, and that's the real us.

    If we meditate, and we see nothing and complete darkness, that means, our spiritual eyes or our third eyes are blinded. In meditation, we can fully open our spiritual eye. To see reality is to fully open our spiritual eyes, to see illusion is to open our physical eyes.

    To destroy illusion is to close our eyes, very very simple.

    Kung nagbasa ka ani, pagmata! nagdamgo ka lng, i piyong ang imong mga mata, illusion lng ni imong gi basa, kaning monitor, keyboard ug mouse.


    "THE ALL IS MIND; The Universe is Mental."--The Kybalion.

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by skoilhp View Post
    When our eyes are open, we are limited to our human consciousness that we thought that we are living in a real world, it is so vivid with our eyes that everything looks real. If we analyze it, it is like when we are awake, we are actually dreaming.

    To destroy illusion is to close our eyes so we cannot see them anymore. And to tap the real us is to meditate. The image of God in us are our souls and that's the real us. Our human body is just an illusion. When we meditate, we stop all the illusion, we awaken the god in us, our souls, and that's the real us.

    If we meditate, and we see nothing and complete darkness, that means, our spiritual eyes or our third eyes are blinded. In meditation, we can fully open our spiritual eye. To see reality is to fully open our spiritual eyes, to see illusion is to open our physical eyes.

    To destroy illusion is to close our eyes, very very simple.

    Kung nagbasa ka ani, pagmata! nagdamgo ka lng, i piyong ang imong mga mata, illusion lng ni imong gi basa, kaning monitor, keyboard ug mouse.


    "THE ALL IS MIND; The Universe is Mental."--The Kybalion.
    Lisora ana nga meditation bro oi .... naa kay experince about meditation bro ... pang share bro

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Lisora ana nga meditation bro oi .... naa kay experince about meditation bro ... pang share bro
    di man na lisod bro, i close lng nato atong eyes, then forget everything in the physical world (the illusion) including our bodies, ang lisod lng gyud ana nga part no, kung sobra kaayo ta ka attach sa physical world or the illusion, mag lisod gyud ta ug concentrate nga mukuyog pa gyud ang illusion inig close nato sa atong eyes.

    when we close our eyes in meditation, we are trying to forget the physical or the imaginary world, and we are trying to see the reality and trying to know who really we are.

    nindot kaayo ang experience bro, imo na gud na gilimtan ang physical world nga illusion lng nga puno ug opposites like kalipay ug kasakit, then inig meditate nimo, you feel joy and all the goodness like peace, love, harmony, compassion and kindness. when you open your eyes, back to the physical world, but this time you know the difference na, you tend to know reality, and you feel happier na, your life is full of joy, peace, and harmony.

  7. #67
    OT: nobody believes in the bible...
    everybody believes in how they interpret the bible or from someone else who thinks they know how.

    agi lng kay walay koi maikadalit mag basa2x nalng ko para malingaw

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    Kining enoch dili mani considered as canon kay dili mani Hebrew Scripture ...

    literal ra kaau pagsabot sa uban kay image and likeness man ta sa Ginoo mura sab ta ug Ginoo ... hehehehe

    naa ko na read na i think im convince " He means He created man and woman to have a spirit, which is the image of God "

    Anyway sakto ka bro and also being righteous cannot guarantee as salvation ...
    It was widely used until around the year 400, but it caused more questions then the church at that time could deal with. The Coptic Orthodox Church and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church to this day regards it to be canonical. The book is referred to, and quoted, in Jude 14-15, 1 Peter 3:19,20 to En. 21:6. 1 and by many of the early church fathers as Athenagoras, Clement of Alexandria, Irenaeus, and Tertullian who wrote c. 200 that the Book of Enoch had been rejected by the Jews because it contained prophecies pertaining to Christ. The traditional view of the Ethiopic Orthodox Church, which reckons 1 Enoch as an inspired document, is that the Ethiopic text is the original one, written by Enoch himself. In their view the following opening sentence of Enoch is the first and oldest sentence written in any human language, since Enoch was the first to write letters:
    "Word of blessing of Henok, wherewith he blessed the chosen and righteous who would be alive in the day of tribulation for the removal of all wrongdoers and backsliders."

    Enoch 1:9, translated from the Ethiopic was found in Qumran Dead Sea scrolls.
    Remember there were many books considered to be canonical that were removed from our Modern Bible of today. They are refereed as the Lost Books.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by skoilhp View Post
    di man na lisod bro, i close lng nato atong eyes, then forget everything in the physical world (the illusion) including our bodies, ang lisod lng gyud ana nga part no, kung sobra kaayo ta ka attach sa physical world or the illusion, mag lisod gyud ta ug concentrate nga mukuyog pa gyud ang illusion inig close nato sa atong eyes.

    when we close our eyes in meditation, we are trying to forget the physical or the imaginary world, and we are trying to see the reality and trying to know who really we are.

    nindot kaayo ang experience bro, imo na gud na gilimtan ang physical world nga illusion lng nga puno ug opposites like kalipay ug kasakit, then inig meditate nimo, you feel joy and all the goodness like peace, love, harmony, compassion and kindness. when you open your eyes, back to the physical world, but this time you know the difference na, you tend to know reality, and you feel happier na, your life is full of joy, peace, and harmony.
    Im curious bro .. unsaon man nato pagkalimot sa physical world ug atong lawas ... labi sa ato lawas nga attached jud ta.

  10. #70
    In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by Him; and without Him was not any things made that was made. In him was life, and the life was the light of men -John 1:1-4


    "Word" means intelligent vibration, intelligent energy, going forth from God. Any utterance of a word, such as "flower", expressed by an intelligent being, consists sound energy or vibration, plus thought, which imbues that vibration with intelligent meaning. Likewise, the Word that is the beginning and source of all created substances is Cosmic Vibration imbued with Cosmic Intelligence.

    Thought of matter, energy of which matter is composed, matter itself - all things - are but the differently vibrating thoughts of the Spirit, even as man in his dreams creates a world with lighting and clouds, people being born or dying, loving or fighting, experiencing heat or cold, pleasure or pain. In a dream, births and deaths, sickness and disease, solids, liquids, gases are but differently vibrating thoughts of the dreamer. This universe is vibratory dream motion picture of God's thoughts on the screen of time and space and human consciousness.

    "The Word was with God, and the Word was God": Before creation, there is only undifferentiated Spirit. In manifesting creation, Spirit becomes God the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost.

    As soon as Spirit evolved cosmic vibratory thought, through the action of the cosmic magical measuring power of maya (the very subtle force that creates the grand illusion that the phenomenal world is real), delusion, the Unmanifested Spirit became God the Father, the Creator of all creative vibration. God the Father, in the Hindu scriptures, is called Ishvara (the Cosmic Ruler) or Sat (the supreme essence of Cosmic Consciousness) - the Transcendental Intelligence. That is, God the Father exists transcendentally untouched by any tremor of vibratory creation - a conscious, separate Cosmic Consciousness.

    The vibratory force emanating from Spirit, endowed with the illusory creative power of maya, the Holy Ghost: Cosmic Vibration, the Word. All things, all created planets and living beings in the Holy Ghost, Holy Vibration, are nothing but frozen imagination of God.
    -Paramahansa Yogananda

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