Tinuod ba may porgatoryo?

[Existanz]

ecclesiastical writters are not the authority of our souls.. the words of GOD are weighs heavier than all those church writings.. no christian is above the bible as no muslim is above the koran..

Tinuod na bai...as well as sa mga apostolic father applied sad na. karon, ang pangutana as a christian as man nimo nahibaw-an ang pulong sa Ginoo? Sa Bible? Kinsa man sauna ang nag-baton ug authority para ipunan ang mga kasulatan ug nahimong Biblia? Kinsa may nag-justify na kining Biblia gikan sa Ginoo?

i agree nga if naa purgatory, whats the purpose of christ coming to die for our sins since moadto pa man diay jud ta sa purgatory..

Perhaps that's one of the reasons why purgatory should exists primarily because to purify all sinners who are already save yet still committing sins while they are still living..otherwise nonsense sad sige ta ug ngayo pasaylo kay save naman kaha ta.

wala man sa bible ng purgatory oi.. the concept of purgatory comes from the pagan concepts of afterlife..

Tanuod na kay purgatory comes from Latin mao murag iya gyud sa mga roman christian pero ang concept about cleansing by fire is not really new kay maski ang Judaism naa man sila same concept sad. Also, kung pati orthodox christians naa man sad ingon ana nga belief.

Pero not just because literally wala sa Bible di pud buot pasabot wala ang concept...di ba? Mao gani naay issue sa ato mga christian bahin ani atong Bible nga double meaning kay perting daghana sa paagi pag-interpret niiini o interpretation. Wa ko balo sa tinuod ngano giingon-ana man sa Ginoo ang tao, gilugaw niya ila mga utok hehehe...I just trust God that He has reasons and simply not be troubled about it.

why do catholics make salvation hard? maau pa ang uban just trully believe and youll be saved.. hehehe

Actually mas play safe ang catholic hehehe..you see, they are in both side of the issue...believe=save and deeds=save...kaya lang because of plenary indulgence medyo makaduda na nuon hehe..

to prove nga naa purgatory, why dont somebody die and come back to life..(christ did that but he said nothing bout a purgatory) and while doing that, please check the existence of heaven and hell para mawala doubts..

Irrelevant ni bai...kung believer ka's Ginoo its not an issue anymore. We are only talking about some sense here and we are way beyond being empirical and logical about this hehe..

Besides, how about kung ang purgatory existed only after Christ went to heaven since pwedi sad na ang purgatory is a place for temporary purification while the world still awaits the 2nd coming of Christs and consequently Judgment day. Naa baya mga sins na mapasaylo even after this world..

our modern idea of heaven, purgatory, and hell is that described by dante.. 7 heavens and 7hells.. plus a purgaturyo.. what da... aha man na gikuha oi.. wild kaau imagination ang author.. well atleast he gives us choices para sa ato preference... hehehehehe

Aw true sad na, kaya lang kung imo gyud ayuhon ug investigate ang doctrina sa catholico you will learn na dili kaayo ingon ana ka descriptive ang beliefs bahin ani hehehe...wa gani klaro nga description ang Bible bahin ining Heaven ug Hell sa, Dante was only trying to symbolically described the level of sins and there fitting punishment..lantaw puno kaayo ug mga prominent figures ang iyang story good and evil people.

Sama ra gud sa myth bahin sa catholic inquisition medyo na-bloated na kaayo ang mga story ug facts niini..imagine millions of millions daw ang biktima hehehe...asus kwentaha kung pila ang rate sa patyon sa mga church per year para ma-achieve na nga figures hehe...

[regnauld]

Purgatory is a just symbolic and not literal just like in dantes book and nothing else!

[Existanz]

Purgatory is a just symbolic and not literal just like in dantes book and nothing else!

Aw imo sad ni Reg...alangan kay reincarnationist man ka hehehe..

[regnauld]

Aw imo sad ni Reg...alangan kay reincarnationist man ka hehehe..

dili na ako manoy...Theosophy's point of view na whicH is based on ANCIENT WISDOM!

[Existanz]

dili na ako manoy...Theosophy's point of view na whicH is based on ANCIENT WISDOM!

Mao man kaha na imo gi-believe di ba?

[regnauld]

[QUOTE=Existanz;5747358]Mao man kaha na imo gi-believe di ba?[/QUOTE

We dont just believe for the sake of dogmatic belief. We investigate and study WISDOM!

[Existanz]

We dont just believe for the sake of dogmatic belief. We investigate and study WISDOM!

Ang lufeet!! hehehe okay Reg...peace bro!

[Vien]

Sa bible wla man na siya pero sa akong nasayran ang bibliya adunay dakong kulang ambot GINOO RAY NAKAHIBALO OR MOABOT RA ANG TIME NGA MAKA HIBALO RATA UNYA SA TINUOD DILI PA TINGALI KARON

[ashcries]

talk about simala scandal.. tsk3x...

hmm.. nindut jud ni ikaw kuno authority sa simbahan.. you can do anything pretty much anything you want ang get away with it.. apil na ang pangawat, pambabae and you name it, they do it.. hinoun. syaro dili mahadlok ang mo kontra.. pila ra pagingon nga you are an enemy of God if you dont follow us..

the history of the catholic church is riddled by corruption and massive indoctrination of the masses..
and many brilliant men got killed because the challenged the church..
there are even less than holy people sitting as popes in the past..

kung wala sila nag invent sa porgatoryo, dili sila mka pangau kwarta para misa..
naa pa gani SALE of indulgences before where your sins are forgiven after a monetary penalty..

if GOD is to heaven and Satan as to hell.. then who owns purgatory? dont tell me si GOD and si Satan has another war front besides the earth..

the catholic church is a corrupted form of christianity.. it all began when pagan cultures were assimilated into it.. (have you ever wonder why the holy father is depicted having the same appearance as zeus?)

clearly ato difinition sa afterlife is modeled after dante's potrayal of the afterlife.. and his imagination is due to the inventions of the church...

if i remember correctly, there was a bishop who told martin luther that the pope's authority is beyond that of the bible.. clearly aha man nya gikuha iya idea?

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isnt it the church who got dr. jose rizal got shot in the first place? simply because he spoke about their corruption and indoctrination of the poor masses.

Agree ko ani.
Daghan jud pagan practices nga gi-assimilate into Roman Catholicism para mudako ug mudato ug ma-powerful ang Roman Catholic Church.
Most Roman Catholics do not realize this but some do. Ang nakaguol lang kay even if they already know this they still stick to the traditions and practices nga namat-an na nila sukad2x kay "nataw man nga Katoliko, mamatay pud nga Katoliko." Sayang. If their passion for their religion will only be translated to passion for real Christianity.

[PEMLourdes]

are you sure where you will be going after you die?

ask Jesus to come into your life

salvation is the greatest gift one can receive! and its FREE!!!!

if you accept God as your personal Lord and Saviour,

then you're sure to be going to HEAVEN!