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  1. #271

    if this was the the pre-70's (at least according to the temporal logic of the system) you would have been breathing the air of bourgeois ideology. now that we have come pass that, you dont have to breath at all.

    creationism is true? do we have a choice?

  2. #272
    oh but Hovind is actually a Mirror.

  3. #273
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    ^^not the case at all.

    it's as simple as this, you "cretards" have your faith, we "evoneuters" have evidence.

    end of story.
    Here is some of the Evidence used to prove Evolution


    The Calaveras Skull was a human skull found by miners in Calaveras County, California which purported to prove that humans, mastodons, and elephants had coexisted in California. It was later revealed to be a hoax. Coincidentally, "calaveras" is the Spanish word for "skulls".
    On February 25, 1866, miners found a human skull in a mine, beneath a layer of lava, 130 feet (39 m) below the surface of the earth, which made it into the hands of Josiah Whitney, then the State Geologist of California as well as a Professor of Geology at Harvard University. A year before the skull came to his attention, Whitney had published the aforementioned belief of humans, mastodons, and elephants having coexisted and the skull only served as proof of his convictions. After careful study, he officially announced its discovery at a meeting of the California Academy of Science on July 16, 1866, declaring it evidence of the existence of Pliocene age man in North America, which would make it the oldest known record of humans on the continent.
    Wikisource has the text of the 1911 Encyclopędia Britannica article Calaveras Skull.
    However, its authenticity was immediately challenged. In 1869 a San Francisco newspaper reported that a miner had told a minister that the skull was planted as a practical joke. Thomas Wilson of Harvard ran a fluorine analysis on it in 1879, with the results indicating it was of recent origin. It was so widely believed to be a hoax that Bret Harte famously wrote a satirical poem called "To the Pliocene Skull" in 1899.[1]
    Nevertheless, Whitney did not waver in his belief that it was genuine. His successor at Harvard, F. W. Putnam also believed it to be real. By 1901 Putnam was determined to discover the truth and he headed to California. While there, he heard a story that in 1865, one of a number of Indian skulls had been dug up from a nearby burial site and planted in the mine specifically for miners to find. However, Putnam still declined to declare the skull a fake, instead conceding, "It may be impossible ever to determine to the satisfaction of the archaeologist the place where the skull was actually found."[2]
    To further complicate the issue, careful comparison of the skull with descriptions of it at the time of its discovery revealed that the skull Whitney had in his possession was not the one originally found.[2]
    However, J. M. Boutwell, investigating in 1911, was told by one of the participants in the discovery that the whole thing was indeed a hoax.[3] The miners of the Sierra Nevada apparently did not care for Whitney much "being an Easterner of very reserved demeanor" and were "delighted" to have played such a joke on him.[2] Furthermore, John C. Scriber, a local shopkeeper, claimed to have planted it, and the story was revealed by his sister after his death.[4]
    The Calaveras Skull continues to be cited by creationists as proof that paleontologists ignore evidence that doesn't fit their theories,[5] although others have acknowledged that the Calaveras Skull is a hoax.[6]
    Java man: Initially discovered by Dutchman Eugene Dubois in 1891, all that was found of this claimed originator of humans was a skullcap, three teeth and a femur. The femur was found 50 feet away from the original skullcap a full year later. For almost 30 years Dubois downplayed the Wadjak skulls (two undoubtedly human skulls found very close to his "missing link"). (source: Hank Hanegraaff, The Face That Demonstrates The Farce Of Evolution, [Word Publishing, Nashville, 1998], pp.50-52)

    Ota Benga: The African Native Put Into a Cage
    After Darwin advanced the claim with his book The Descent of Man that man evolved from ape-like living beings, he started to seek fossils to support this contention. However, some evolutionists believed that "half-man half-ape" creatures were to be found not only in the fossil record, but also alive in various parts of the world. In the early 20th century, these pursuits for "living transitional links" led to unfortunate incidents, one of the cruellest of which is the story of a Pygmy by the name of Ota Benga.
    Ota Benga was captured in 1904 by an evolutionist researcher in the Congo. In his own tongue, his name meant "friend". He had a wife and two children. Chained and caged like an animal, he was taken to the USA where evolutionist scientists displayed him to the public in the St Louis World Fair along with other ape species and introduced him as "the closest transitional link to man". Two years later, they took him to the Bronx Zoo in New York and there they exhibited him under the denomination of "ancient ancestors of man" along with a few chimpanzees, a gorilla named Dinah, and an orang-utan called Dohung. Dr William T. Hornaday, the zoo's evolutionist director gave long speeches on how proud he was to have this exceptional "transitional form" in his zoo and treated caged Ota Benga as if he were an ordinary animal. Unable to bear the treatment he was subjected to, Ota Benga eventually committed suicide.68

    The "Piltdown Man" is a famous paleontological hoax concerning the finding of the remains of a previously unknown early human. The hoax find consisted of fragments of a skull and jawbone collected in 1912 from a gravel pit at Piltdown, a village near Uckfield, East Sussex, England. The fragments were thought by many experts of the day to be the fossilised remains of a hitherto unknown form of early man. The Latin name Eoanthropus dawsoni ("Dawson's dawn-man", after the collector Charles Dawson) was given to the specimen. The significance of the specimen remained the subject of controversy until it was exposed in 1953 as a forgery, consisting of the lower jawbone of an orangutan that had been deliberately combined with the skull of a fully developed modern human.
    The Piltdown hoax is perhaps the most famous paleontological hoax in history. It has been prominent for two reasons: the attention paid to the issue of human evolution, and the length of time (more than 40 years) that elapsed from its discovery to its full exposure as a forgery.

    Neanderthal: Still synonymous with brutishness, the first Neanderthal remains were found in France in 1908. Considered to be ignorant, ape-like, stooped and knuckle-dragging, much of the evidence now suggests that Neanderthal was just as human as us, and his stooped appearance was because of arthritis and rickets. Neanderthals are now recognized as skilled hunters, believers in an after-life, and even skilled surgeons, as seen in one skeleton whose withered right arm had been amputated above the elbow. (source: "Upgrading Neanderthal Man", Time Magazine, May 17, 1971, Vol. 97, No. 20)


    [IMG]file:///C:/DOCUME%7E1/JAMESM%7E1/LOCALS%7E1/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image002.jpg[/IMG]Nebraska man: A single tooth, discovered in Nebraska in 1922 grew an entire evolutionary link between man and monkey, until another identical tooth was found which was protruding from the jawbone of a wild pig.



    Shinichi Fujimura (藤村 新一 Fujimura Shin'ichi, b. 4 May 1950) was a Japanese amateur archaeologist who claimed he had found a large number of stone artifacts dating back to the Lower Paleolithic and Middle Paleolithic periods. These objects were later revealed as forgeries.

    The Tasaday (pronounced /təˈsɑːdaɪ/ or /ˈtęsədaɪ/) were purportedly a group of uncontacted people living deep in the rainforest on the Philippine island of Mindanao. When the media reported they had been living in isolation since the Stone Age, the group gained international fame in the 1970s. The Tasaday received worldwide press and the attention of anthropologists and scholars throughout the 1970s, and then again in the 1980s, when Oswald Iten claimed that they were a hoax masterminded by Manuel Elizalde, Jr.

    Charles Sibley and his student, Jon Ahlquist, were interested in avian molecular systematics. Sibley had been a prominent advocate of protein electrophoresis as a phylogenetic tool in the 1960s, but apparently had some difficulty in recognizing boundaries. In the early 1970s, he scandalized Yale University by being led out in handcuffs from his post as director of the Peabody Museum of Natural History, due to his apparent involvement in plots to smuggle the eggs of endangered bird species out of their home countries and into his laboratory. This story is recounted in, of all places, Sports Illustrated (24 June 1974) -- it was apparently of greater concern to falconers than to molecular evolutionists.
    Sibley paid a fine and continued his avian systematic research. In the 1980s he and Ahlquist adopted a technique for comparing the DNA of different species to find out just how genetically different they are. DNA hybridization is based on the idea that evolution represents the accumulation of DNA point mutations in different bio-historical lineages. If those mutations could somehow be summed and counted, one could tell just how much genetic change has accumulated since the species diverged from their common ancestor.
    The Yale DNA Hybridization Scandal: Introduction

    Homo Rudolfensis: The Face Wrongly Joined
    The term Homo rudolfensis is the name given to a few fossil fragments unearthed in 1972. The species supposedly represented by this fossil was designated Homo rudolfensis because these fossil fragments were found in the vicinity of Lake Rudolf in Kenya. Most of the paleoanthropologists accept that these fossils do not belong to a distinct species, but that the creature called Homo rudolfensis is in fact indistinguishable from Homo habilis.
    Richard Leakey, who unearthed the fossils, presented the skull designated "KNM-ER 1470", which he said was 2.8 million years old, as the greatest discovery in the history of anthropology. According to Leakey, this creature, which had a small cranial capacity like that of Australopithecus together with a face similar to that of present-day humans, was the missing link between Australopithecus and humans. Yet, after a short while, it was realised that the human-like face of the KNM-ER 1470 skull, which frequently appeared on the covers of scientific journals and popular science magazines was the result of the incorrect assembly of the skull fragments, which may have been deliberate. Professor Tim Bromage, who conducts studies on human facial anatomy, brought this to light by the help of computer simulations in 1992:


    Orce man: Found in the southern Spanish town of Orce in 1982, and hailed as the oldest fossilized human remains ever found in Europe. One year later officials admitted the skull fragment was not human but probably came from a 4 month old donkey. Scientists had said the skull belonged to a 17 year old man who lived 900,000 to 1.6 million years ago, and even had very detail drawings done to represent what he would have looked like. (source: "Skull fragment may not be human", Knoxville News-Sentinel, 1983)



    On October 23, 2000, Fujimura and his team announced that they had another finding at the Kamitakamori site near Tsukidate town. The finds were estimated to be 570,000 years old.
    On November 5, 2000, the newspaper Mainichi Shimbun published pictures of Fujimura digging holes and burying the artifacts his team later found. The pictures had been taken one day before the finding was announced. Fujimura admitted his forgery in an interview with the newspaper.
    Fujimura confessed and apologized the same day in a press conference. He said that he had been "possessed by an uncontrollable urge".[1] He had planted the artifacts from his own collection in strata that would have indicated earlier dates. In Kamitakamori he had planted 61 of 65 artifacts, and had earlier planted all of the stonework in the Soshin Fudozaka site in Hokkaidō. He claimed that these were the only times he had planted artifacts.
    The Japanese Archaeological Association disaffiliated Fujimura from its members. A special investigation team of the Association revealed that almost all the artifacts which he had found were his fabrication.

    "Archaeoraptor" is the generic name informally assigned in 1999 to a fossil from China in an article published in National Geographic magazine. The magazine claimed that the fossil was a "missing link" between birds and terrestrial theropod dinosaurs. Even prior to this publication there had been severe doubts about the fossil's authenticity. It led to a scandal when it was definitely proven to be a forgery through further scientific study. The forgery was constructed from rearranged pieces of real fossils from different species. Zhou et al. found that the head and upper body actually belong to a specimen of the primitive fossil bird Yanornis.[1] A 2002 study found that the tail belongs to a small winged dromaeosaur, Microraptor, named in 2000.[2] The legs and feet belong to an as yet unknown animal.[3][4]
    The "Archaeoraptor" scandal has ongoing ramifications. The scandal brought attention to illegal fossil deals conducted in China. It also highlighted the need for close scientific scrutiny of purported "missing links" published in journals which are not peer-reviewed. The fossil scandal has been used by creationists to cast doubt on evolutionary theory. Although "Archaeoraptor" was a forgery, many true examples of feathered dinosaurs have been found and demonstrate the evolutionary connection between birds and other theropods.

    Hwang Woo-Suk (Korean: 황우석, born 29 January 1953)[1] is a South Korean veterinarian researcher. He was a professor of theriogenology and biotechnology at Seoul National University (dismissed on March 20, 2006) who became infamous for fabricating a series of experiments, which appeared in high profile journals, in the field of stem cell research. Until November 2005, he was considered one of the pioneering experts in the field of stem cell research, best known for two articles published in the journal Science in 2004 and 2005 where he fraudulently reported to have succeeded in creating human embryonic stem cells by cloning. Both papers were later editorially retracted after they were found to contain a large amount of fabricated data. He has admitted to various charges of fraud.
    On May 12, 2006, Hwang was "indicted on embezzlement and bioethics law violations linked to faked stem cell research."[2] Korea Times reported on June 10, 2007 that "The university expelled him and the government rescinded its financial and legal support. The government has subsequently barred Hwang from conducting human cloning research.[3] While being charged with fraud and embezzlement, he has kept a relatively low profile at the Suam Bioengineering Research Institute in Yongin, Gyeonggi Province, where he currently holds a position. Since the controversy subsided, despite the past history and his lost credibility as a scientist, Hwang's lab has been actively publishing manuscripts, many of which have appeared on PubMed, the online database for biomedical research.



    The Journal for Geoclimatic Studies is the name given to a nonexistent journal which published a fabricated global warming study in November 2007 entitled, "Carbon dioxide production by benthic bacteria: the death of manmade global warming theory?" The published study identified the Journal for Geoclimatic Studies as an official publication of Okinawa University's Institute for Geoclimatic Studies (The Institute for Geoclimatic Studies is also fraudulent and does not exist). The spurious study, ostensibly authored by Daniel Klein and Mandeep J. Gupta of the University of Arizona's Department of Climatology, and Philip Cooper and Arne FR Jansson at the University of Gothenburg's Department of Atmospheric Physics, claimed that global warming was not human caused, but the work of carbon-dioxide emitting bacteria based on the ocean floor.
    The report was circulated by a number of global warming skeptics before discovery that the study authors and university departments identified in the publication did not exist. The website where the study was published was taken down once the deception was revealed, and its ownership was traced to David Thorpe, a science journalist and web designer based in the United Kingdom. The true author of the article is purportedly a man identifying himself as Mark Cox, who has claimed the hoax was designed expose the gullibility and scientific illiteracy of global warming skeptics.
    Hoax bacteria study tricks climate skeptics | Green Business | Reuters



    Evolution Deceit. com - This website is the interactive version of the book "Evolution Deceit" by HARUN YAHYA

    omniology.com


    Why all the lies? What other lies are there if you just are willing to look for yourself?











  4. #274
    Why all the lies? What other lies are there if you just are willing to look for yourself?


    isnt the bible stories a lie.

    just like hovind , u can find all the faults on evolution but still . it shows the story of earth last 10 billion yrs.

  5. #275
    @james: you took those articles solely from a website whose author is a known believer of a supreme being. so biased, yes so ineffective. be fair. give us different links from reliable sources.

  6. #276
    What I don't like is being lied upon. If I am lied in anyway, I should know that it is a lie. however, there is no contradictory about evolution... it is a fact of life. Hard to accept things when your brain is hardwired to a belief that ends with a period. Evolution will stay and it will continue no matter how you see it. If you can't see it, there must be something wrong with your eyes.

  7. #277
    Evolution is now A FACT OF LIFE

    Knowledge attacks no one
    It exists regardless of recognition.


  8. #278
    Quote Originally Posted by tripwire View Post
    What I don't like is being lied upon. If I am lied in anyway, I should know that it is a lie. however, there is no contradictory about evolution... it is a fact of life. Hard to accept things when your brain is hardwired to a belief that ends with a period. Evolution will stay and it will continue no matter how you see it. If you can't see it, there must be something wrong with your eyes.
    creationists = in denial. blind-sided by faith? people are just so scared when their faiths are touched by the fingers of Science.

  9. #279
    Quote Originally Posted by The_Child View Post
    oh but Hovind is actually a Mirror.
    a mirror? of what?

    everybody's a mirror, in that case.. to varying degrees of clarity..

  10. #280
    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post
    a mirror? of what?

    everybody's a mirror, in that case.. to varying degrees of clarity..
    a mirror of ELI... hahaha

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