Karma and Reincarnation.

[bluedes]

That's why people come-up with different concepts to combat it. So you mean to say that it's an endless cycle of debt paying, because as one is reincarnated to serve his previous karma along the process he again accumulates new bad karmas; to be reincarnated again undergoing the same thing over and over again. This is no problem if this is the case, but the universe as we know it has to end someday...

hehehe.. endless cycle of debt-paying.. that sounds boring.. i dont look at karma that way..

perfection is a very misunderstood word.. a long time ago, i changed my understanding of perfection in a very different manner.. there is no such thing as "perfect already".. perfection is like an infinite climb to perfection.. meaning the act of becoming perfect itself is endless.. it doesn't mean that perfection is unreachable, it just means that if you want to become perfect, then you need to continuously strive for perfection.. in a sense, it is unreachable, because you never get to the end of it, but in a sense, the act of endlessly striving perfection is already in itself "be-ing" perfect.. i hope you get this idea.. i dont know of any other way of explaining it.. you have to grasp the essence of perfection..

karma is similar to that.. we are in the process of becoming perfect.. who knows when that day is.. its NOT an end of the tunnel type na finished na ang story and perfect na..

the universe does not end actually.. i dont really know how i know this.. but everything is a cycle.. how do you know the universe will end? because your life ends? the universe is larger than us.. when we die, who is it that really dies? our material substance does not disappear.. it becomes recycled.. our skin's molecular substances turns into other molecules, into dust, into other organisms when it is being digested.. we are all passing from one phase to another.. our consciousness is dissolved, we cannot anymore identify our own body, but its just a phase.. when our consciousness "fades" away in "death", did we really die? or are we just transformed? like the rest of our body is transformed.. when we are attached to our body, then we think we die, because there is no more body anymore that we are so attached with.. fear is the precursor thought of death.. when we face that fear, death is but just another transition to a different life.. and the cycle goes on..

the fate of the universe is too large for us mere humans to comprehend in our measly little minds.. minds are very limited at comprehending this phenomena as the existence of the universe.. we can only marvel at it in wonder and awe in our human existence right now.. do you think animals or plants even are capable of such "wonder", "awe" and "amazement" that we are capable of?

Is it possible then to live a life without accumulating bad karma and achieve perfection, considering that it is accepted that human is inherently inclined to do bad things one way or another because of freewill?

I'd like to believe that its possible.. after all, that is what in Christianity is referred to as sin-less actions.. and the person of Jesus of Christ has showed us that its possible.. in my studies in other religious text, not only is it possible in Christ, but others have also strived for such perfection in their own ways.. it is amazing how similar they have in principle about the person of Christ.

Humans, by virtue of their souls are always inclined to do "bad" things.. because that is the nature of the soul.. hehe.. surprising how I have arrived to this truth.. but anyway, i'm still not sure what constitutes Free Will.. free will, in so far as my studies on these areas have gone, is given to us by God, very Christian actually.. technically, Free Will is the residue of the Infinite Essence within us.. since we are created in the image of God, therefore we have free will. I dont know what is it within us that has control of this free will.. whether we let go of our souls and choose the Spirit of God to illuminate our hearts, or we let our souls illuminate our hearts and disregard the Spirit of God. where is the one controlling the free will to make this decision.. its still very unclear for me at the moment..

but i'd like to believe that its possible..

So you claim that there is an evolution of human soul meaning, that before I incarnate as a human soul I was first a soul of an ape?

i dont know whether we come from minerals, to plants, to animals (ape/dog/cow) then to humans.. but i do know that i am continuously evolving as a human being by striving for the spiritual virtues to be incorporated into my next life.. my aim (realistically speaking, yet however you understand this) is to diminish my ego so as to be a reflection of the divine, that i may practice the spiritual virtues in (if possible) every action of my life now.. --- easy to say, hard to do

[bayeyeng]

Tinuod ng Karma kay apil na sa Law of Nature baya....cause & effect ba....what u sow is what u reap

[Malic]

Ok.. so would you say that in your own family tree you are NOT really related coz each one from your family is coming from someone else's soul? genealogy here is not an option...

We are all related because we are all connected.

Why ask me...that's why I'm the one asking.

well, i never heard what "perfect karma" is. Karma means action.

[Malic]

Bot Ref: PPRRRTT!! Illlegal words in usage!- otok or utok? please rectify spelling I mean..(2 minutes official's timeout).

Popcorn time..

psst, know your limitation.

ngano man diay gud ug mutubag ka sa pangutana mas nindot man jud nang maggikan from the horse's mouth...

ayaw pagtinapolan. saman hadlok ka motoon?

[vahnhelsing]

ask lang ko... what karma awaits sa mga naay sakit daan sa utok.. like sa mga boang and patulon inig kamatay nila?
is there anyway for me to know unsa ko before sa ko past life?

[bayeyeng]

[quote=Malic;5584661]We are all related because we are all connected.

hehehh....murag kita nko ana HEROES!muhinder suresh......ug hiro nakamura

[Malic]

[QUOTE=bayeyeng;5584736]

We are all related because we are all connected.

hehehh....murag kita nko ana HEROES!muhinder suresh......ug hiro nakamura

hehehe...wala unta ka nisaba.

[Existanz]

hehehe.. endless cycle of debt-paying.. that sounds boring.. i dont look at karma that way..

perfection is a very misunderstood word.. a long time ago, i changed my understanding of perfection in a very different manner.. there is no such thing as "perfect already".. perfection is like an infinite climb to perfection.. meaning the act of becoming perfect itself is endless.. it doesn't mean that perfection is unreachable, it just means that if you want to become perfect, then you need to continuously strive for perfection.. in a sense, it is unreachable, because you never get to the end of it, but in a sense, the act of endlessly striving perfection is already in itself "be-ing" perfect.. i hope you get this idea.. i dont know of any other way of explaining it.. you have to grasp the essence of perfection..

karma is similar to that.. we are in the process of becoming perfect.. who knows when that day is.. its NOT an end of the tunnel type na finished na ang story and perfect na..

the universe does not end actually.. i dont really know how i know this.. but everything is a cycle.. how do you know the universe will end? because your life ends? the universe is larger than us.. when we die, who is it that really dies? our material substance does not disappear.. it becomes recycled.. our skin's molecular substances turns into other molecules, into dust, into other organisms when it is being digested.. we are all passing from one phase to another.. our consciousness is dissolved, we cannot anymore identify our own body, but its just a phase.. when our consciousness "fades" away in "death", did we really die? or are we just transformed? like the rest of our body is transformed.. when we are attached to our body, then we think we die, because there is no more body anymore that we are so attached with.. fear is the precursor thought of death.. when we face that fear, death is but just another transition to a different life.. and the cycle goes on..

the fate of the universe is too large for us mere humans to comprehend in our measly little minds.. minds are very limited at comprehending this phenomena as the existence of the universe.. we can only marvel at it in wonder and awe in our human existence right now.. do you think animals or plants even are capable of such "wonder", "awe" and "amazement" that we are capable of?

Well its been established that the universe has a beginning and Thermodynamics implies that sooner it will run-out of fuel. Based on what I see and read in history...it seems that people never learn from there past mistakes and will go on committing the same mistakes- ironically worsts than the last time.

I'd like to believe that its possible.. after all, that is what in Christianity is referred to as sin-less actions.. and the person of Jesus of Christ has showed us that its possible.. in my studies in other religious text, not only is it possible in Christ, but others have also strived for such perfection in their own ways.. it is amazing how similar they have in principle about the person of Christ.

Humans, by virtue of their souls are always inclined to do "bad" things.. because that is the nature of the soul.. hehe.. surprising how I have arrived to this truth.. but anyway, i'm still not sure what constitutes Free Will.. free will, in so far as my studies on these areas have gone, is given to us by God, very Christian actually.. technically, Free Will is the residue of the Infinite Essence within us.. since we are created in the image of God, therefore we have free will. I dont know what is it within us that has control of this free will.. whether we let go of our souls and choose the Spirit of God to illuminate our hearts, or we let our souls illuminate our hearts and disregard the Spirit of God. where is the one controlling the free will to make this decision.. its still very unclear for me at the moment..

but i'd like to believe that its possible..

I believe it's possible by God's will and power, but by man's brute force I had doubts..perhaps in believing that I admit I am wretched at that business- self perfection.

i dont know whether we come from minerals, to plants, to animals (ape/dog/cow) then to humans.. but i do know that i am continuously evolving as a human being by striving for the spiritual virtues to be incorporated into my next life.. my aim (realistically speaking, yet however you understand this) is to diminish my ego so as to be a reflection of the divine, that i may practice the spiritual virtues in (if possible) every action of my life now.. --- easy to say, hard to do

Well that's very brave of you and I hope you do find what you're hoping for. On the the other hand, I'm sick with the thought I will be back again in this wretched place called reality- doing the same mundane things in this world in everydayness of life; life as what is depicted in the myth of Sisyphus and to think I had to do it- indefinitely if we go karmic principle.

I hope there is somewhere place, something better than this...if not we rest forever in oblivion. Let me go down kicking then..that's the best I can do..hehehe

Thanks brad for being a good sport.

[bluedes]

Well its been established that the universe has a beginning and Thermodynamics implies that sooner it will run-out of fuel. Based on what I see and read in history...it seems that people never learn from there past mistakes and will go on committing the same mistakes- ironically worsts than the last time.

the big bang theory? hehehe.. its funny..
the metaphysical question would then be what caused the big bang? this implies that we still do not know the REAL beginning of the universe.. but scientists are content for now that it all "started" with the big bang theory..

on thermodynamics though.. isnt the energy contained in a closed system (i.e. the universe) preserved eternally? that's the first law of thermodynamics. So, how can this universe end when energy is in fact never gained or lost within the universe. (sorry, i'm just refuting your claim on thermodynamics, di man gud na mao akong nakat-onan..)

I believe it's possible by God's will and power, but by man's brute force I had doubts..perhaps in believing that I admit I am wretched at that business- self perfection.

in what i've learned, perfection is not attained by our own will alone. It is a mixture of God's will, our own will, and the circumstances necessary to make that happen. or to put it in another way, a knowledge of this universe, our own inspiration, and the happenings in our daily lives to manifest that perfection, and yet another way pa jud, the knowledge of the doctrines of religion, an aspiration for the spiritual virtues, and the change in our hearts to become good.

Well that's very brave of you and I hope you do find what you're hoping for. On the the other hand, I'm sick with the thought I will be back again in this wretched place called reality- doing the same mundane things in this world in everydayness of life; life as what is depicted in the myth of Sisyphus and to think I had to do it- indefinitely if we go karmic principle.

surprisingly, i have that sentiment too.. i would not want to reincarnate anymore in the next life.. kapoy man ni na kinabuhi ang human life.. but since im here, i'm just making the most out of it..

I hope there is somewhere place, something better than this...if not we rest forever in oblivion. Let me go down kicking then..that's the best I can do..hehehe

Thanks brad for being a good sport.

hehe.. i have that hope too.. but i dont know if im still capable of recognizing myself if/when i get there.. haha.. so what's the purpose really.. ambot.. i dont know jud.. still looking for answers..

thank you also for asking these questions.. in asmuch as you were asking them, its also a way for me to refine my thoughts in the way i formed my answers.. i'm fortunate to talk to someone who values these answers in some way or another.. because honestly, i find that most people really dont care..

[Existanz]

the big bang theory? hehehe.. its funny..
the metaphysical question would then be what caused the big bang? this implies that we still do not know the REAL beginning of the universe.. but scientists are content for now that it all "started" with the big bang theory..

on thermodynamics though.. isnt the energy contained in a closed system (i.e. the universe) preserved eternally? that's the first law of thermodynamics. So, how can this universe end when energy is in fact never gained or lost within the universe. (sorry, i'm just refuting your claim on thermodynamics, di man gud na mao akong nakat-onan..)

The idea of heat death stems from the second law of thermodynamics, which states that entropy tends to increase in an isolated system. If the universe lasts for a sufficient time, it will asymptotically approach a state where all energy is evenly distributed. In other words, in nature there is a tendency to the dissipation (energy loss) of mechanical energy (motion); hence, by extrapolation, there exists the view that the mechanical movement of the universe will run down in time due to the second law.- wiki

thank you also for asking these questions.. in asmuch as you were asking them, its also a way for me to refine my thoughts in the way i formed my answers.. i'm fortunate to talk to someone who values these answers in some way or another.. because honestly, i find that most people really dont care..

Hey..that's why we are here. Besides in existentialism, choices is what matters most in each individual more than what is justified as truth. Truth does not make one happy per see, it's how a persons see's that truth in his life that makes him happy...

Maybe next time again...gotta catch my beauty sleep though