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  1. #381

    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    aw o kinsa man ang niingon nga maayong tawo ko bah? niingon ko ana diri? i post daw...so limited ra diay ang inyong knowledge base ra diay on what you seel, feel, touch. so dili mo mutuo sa usa ka butang nga wala pa madiskubrihi sa science?
    that's exactly right sir. ngano mu tuo man mi sa bibliya?

  2. #382
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes View Post
    that's exactly right sir. ngano mu tuo man mi sa bibliya?
    so dili mutuo ang Science kung wala pa madiskubrihi...unya bro, what if muabot ang panahon nga madiskubrihan sa Science ang Ginoo? siguro karon dili pa sila mutuo kay wala paman nila madiskubrihi. but what if naa jud diay Ginoo wala pa lang nila madiskubrihi? sa Science baya "what is true today maybe false tommorow"...

  3. #383
    Quote Originally Posted by chad_tukes
    ngano mu tuo man mi sa bibliya?
    dili ka mutuo sa bible? as in dili jud in all its context?

  4. #384
    Bitaw no...

    Supposed way Ginoo unya unsa man ron? Well, pwedi ta kataw-an nila nga mga illogical worst pwedi sad stupido. Okay lang, at least we are happy praying and praising to this (supposed) non-existent God. After many years we die, okay no God after death...fine we rot in our grave.

    The world goes on and after many years, nobody remembers you...

    On the other hand, if you don't believe in a God? Well, you'll be praised for being such an intellectual man- the height of human greatness; enlightenment (that there is no God?). From your vantage point of view you look down at these *****ic people scared shet in their pants for a (supposed) non-existent God. Wow! ayos kaayo imo feeling, syempre, we are among the few of who are this brave enough to accept the logically correct truth- there is no God (supposed); happy pud ka.

    After many years you die. Okay no God after death...fine you also rot in your grave.

    The world goes on and after many years, nobody remembers you...

    Now Supposed There is a God? (consequently Hell too )

    Admittedly this is of course Pascal Wager's and no way proves God existence. But one is still left to address the issue of not choosing right- Logically.

  5. #385
    Quote Originally Posted by Existanz View Post
    Bitaw no...

    Supposed way Ginoo unya unsa man ron? Well, pwedi ta kataw-an nila nga mga illogical worst pwedi sad stupido. Okay lang, at least we are happy praying and praising to this (supposed) non-existent God. After many years we die, okay no God after death...fine we rot in our grave.

    The world goes on and after many years, nobody remembers you...

    On the other hand, if you don't believe in a God? Well, you'll be praised for being such an intellectual man- the height of human greatness; enlightenment (that there is no God?). From your vantage point of view you look down at these *****ic people scared shet in their pants for a (supposed) non-existent God. Wow! ayos kaayo imo feeling, syempre, we are among the few of who are this brave enough to accept the logical correct truth- there is no God (supposed); happy pud ka.

    After many years you die. Okay no God after death...fine you also rot in your grave.

    The world goes on and after many years, nobody remembers you...

    Now Supposed There is a God? (consequently Hell too )

    Admittedly this is of course Pascal Wager's and no way proves God existence. But one is still left to address the issue of not choosing right- Logically.
    i will second the motion...mao jud ni akong punto...

  6. #386
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    i will second the motion...mao jud ni akong punto...
    Problema pud ani Pien nga klase nga conversion is that- fear based. You do the will of God because one fears Him. Wa naku remember unsa to verse basta ingon ni God "I don't need your sacrifice nor your praise, I want you to know me" or something like that...pwedi ba ni known by fear?

    Ikaw Pien, evangelical man gyud ka, unsa man imoy puntos bahin sa basis sa conversion sa usa ka tao? Consider that with fear there is no Love or pwedi ba?

  7. #387
    Quote Originally Posted by Existanz View Post
    Problema pud ani Pien nga klase nga conversion is that- fear based. You do the will of God because one fears Him. Wa naku remember unsa to verse basta ingon ni God "I don't need your sacrifice nor your praise, I want you to know me" or something like that...pwedi ba ni known by fear?

    Ikaw Pien, evangelical man gyud ka, unsa man imoy puntos bahin sa basis sa conversion sa usa ka tao? Consider that with fear there is no Love or pwedi ba?
    siguro ang reason nganong kinahanglan mahadlok ta sa Ginoo is because nakahibaw ta nga mu punish Siya sa tawong dautan.

    Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

    usa sa mga factors ang fear maong musunod ko sa will sa Ginoo.
    Last edited by Pein; 09-19-2009 at 06:28 AM.

  8. #388
    ang usa pud sa rason nganong mutuo kog Ginoo tungod sa iyang mga prophecies nga before nahitabo iya nang gisulti and it really happened.

    Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

    mao ni ang usa sa mga prophecies:

    Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    this prophecy happened in 70AD when the Roman Empire conquered Jerusalem.
    Last edited by Pein; 09-19-2009 at 06:37 AM.

  9. #389
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    siguro ang reason nganong kinahanglan mahadlok ta sa Ginoo is because nakahibaw ta nga mu punish Siya sa tawong dautan.

    Psa 111:10 The fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom: a good understanding have all they that do his commandments: his praise endureth for ever.

    usa sa mga factors ang fear maong musunod ko sa will sa Ginoo.
    But then again if misunod lang ka sa usa ka balaod because of fear of punishment, you do God's will without your heart in it. There's a big difference in doing God's will because you believe its righteousness and doing the same thing out of fear. When you do God's will in the former, you literally 'own' God's will so your action is authentic. Sa latter, one tend to pretend that he is doing God's will because of his fear, and maybe does not really believe the righteousness of God's will in his heart; not only his action is in-authentic but also his desire is fake. Acceptable pa kaya ni gapon kay God?

    For example ha: muhatag ta sa atong isig katao nato ug tig-sakalibo tungod kay nahadlok ta nga basig di na apruban ni Lord ang atong mga gipangayo niya, pero deep down hasta jud natong sayanga sa atong gihatag. In short dili kinasingkasing atong pag-share. Di ba way silbi ni matud pa ni Christ?

    Kaw Pien unsay opinion nimo ani?

  10. #390
    Quote Originally Posted by Pein View Post
    ang usa pud sa rason nganong mutuo kog Ginoo tungod sa iyang mga prophecies nga before nahitabo iya nang gisulti and it really happened.

    Joh 13:19 Now I tell you before it come, that, when it is come to pass, ye may believe that I am he.

    mao ni ang usa sa mga prophecies:

    Dan 9:2 In the first year of his reign I Daniel understood by books the number of the years, whereof the word of the LORD came to Jeremiah the prophet, that he would accomplish seventy years in the desolations of Jerusalem.

    Luk 21:20 And when ye shall see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that the desolation thereof is nigh.

    this prophecy happened in 70AD when the Roman Empire conquered Jerusalem.
    Yeah, tinuod man na Pien...ti's one reason to believe in the Bible...

    Goodnight na ko nimo..alas dos na sa buntag diri goodmorning da diay giatay hehe..at last gaduka na jud ko hehehe..sleep na ko.

    God bless Bro!

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