Karma and Reincarnation.

[josephdc]

then that settles the issue of "karma & reincarnation" much as the enthusiast (of karma & reincarnation) would like to believe its soundness maybe as compared to the soundness of one life & yet they fail the same failure,,the method of proving something using materialistic science, you know "the see is to believe syndrome"

I think the study of NDEs is very fascinating. I know of one scholar, Gary Habermas, who writes about it and claims that this phenomenon is actually well-documented. They may not actually prove that heaven and hell exists, but at the very least they suggest that life does not end in death.

[Lovely Charm]

I think that it might not be good for us to hold a view that is probably not true. I think there are many good reasons for thinking that Jesus really did rise from the dead and that therefore he validated his claim to being the Son of God. Because that's true, reincarnation can't be true also.

Accordingly sir, the psychology behind our allegiance to a certain belief system is not so much about the veracity of the belief system, more often than not,,its all about conditionings, if we are so program to see things the way we wre brought up to see things then we act accordingly
,its like a comfort zone already,,,,
& really it will take a while to be really objective as to what belief system is lesser absurd

[Hellblazer 2.1]

I think that it might not be good for us to hold a view that is probably not true. I think there are many good reasons for thinking that Jesus really did rise from the dead and that therefore he validated his claim to being the Son of God. Because that's true, reincarnation can't be true also.

i respect your views, sir. but i could also use your statement of "probably not true" that Jesus' divinity was unique. his supposed historical background MAY have been nothing more than a copy from paganic mystery traditions of more ancient god-men who also were born from virgin mothers, worked miracles, died to save the world, and resurrected from the dead. i mean no disrespect, but i think the bible cannot and could not validate that Jesus claimed as being the Son of God. aren't we all sons of God, sir? i respect your statement when you posted that it is true. i don't want to argue with that. i am merely trying to present a different perspective of what i know, based on historical research from bible scholars and not just dogma from parish priests. if you think that reincarnation can't be true, it's ok sir. but you will still reincarnate.

[Lovely Charm]

I think the study of NDEs is very fascinating. I know of one scholar, Gary Habermas, who writes about it and claims that this phenomenon is actually well-documented. They may not actually prove that heaven and hell exists, but at the very least they suggest that life does not end in death.

NDEs somehow suggest that life continues even if life is being deprived in the physical body, it validates the common experience of a world of light(ancient text calls it astral world).
but heaven & hell as a locality that remains to be seen

anyway luv exchanging opinions w/ you, your a cool guy,,not fanatic,,like hmmp

[Egoist]

Origen was not excommunicated because in the first place the pope even affirmed his stand on the doctrine of reincarnation!

Sir wa ko kahibaw anang reincarnation niya pero naa gyud nas klase namo nga si Origen na.ex.communicate tungod sa iyang pagtoo nga" Everything will return to God, in the end" asta daw ang yawa

[patrizekirsten]

Please note:

Reincarnation has neither been proclaimed true nor condemned by any General Council of the Church, nor in any Creed accepted by a General Council. The Council of Constantinople, 543 AD, condemened the doctrine of the pre-existence of the Soul and affirmed that of special creation.

Remember the ff facts:

1. The Council of Constantinople, which condemned Origen's teaching of pre-existence, was not a General Council and so not universally authoritative. It was a local Council or Synod and not so oecummenical, or the the whole Christian world.

2. It did not condemn Reincarnation but only the pre-existence, which has nothing to do with Reincarnation. Origen taught that all Souls were created at the beginning of Creation as angelic Spirits. In this condition they sinned and for their apostasy were transfered into material bodies. It is this view of pre-existence which was condemned.

[fingolfin]

You are confusing yourself with these scenarios.

Nosebleed ka na ana bro.

First Scenario.
Following you Soul A.
after the first life of a religious woman who died of sickness.

Soul A returns to God and gets her reward.
She will then be reincarnated as a man.

(Note that souls can also be reincarnated in other planets in the universe.)

Second Scenario.
Its impossible that the same soul could immediately be reincarnated as saddistic killer.
Unless in the previous life she abused her brain by taking drugs.

Granting (scenario 2) that he reincarnated as a killer and killed 15 men and was murdered.
The following lives will be punishment for killing 15 men.
He will then be aborted 15 times before he could have resolve his karma.

Your third scenario is also impossible since that same soul A must first undergo healing life after a punishment.
But if you insist on your third scenario:
She will be aborted again according to the number of children she killed.

Your fourth scenario is not the immediate life after scenario 3 because the soul again has to live a healing life.
Meaning in that healing life, as a boy, he will die of natural causes (just to heal).

And finally how did peter get into the picture of reincarnation?

.. hahayz, here you go again with out super outrageous self-proclaimed theories. you're really funny with this mr.know.it.all personality. here's one suggestion dude: LOOK AT THE REAL WORLD AND USE LOGIC, NOT OUT OF THIS WORLD THEORIES..

.. you're a person full of delusions. i pity you.

[skoilhp]

I have a question for everyone here.

I hope you can think of it well for the rest of your life. You may post your answer/opinion here or you may keep it for the rest of your life.


WHO ARE YOU? ARE YOU A BODY WITH A SOUL? or A SOUL WITH A BODY?

If you think YOU ARE A BODY WITH A SOUL, then this YOU - 1st you were born, then you learn to drink milk, talk, crawl, walk, run, play, and let's say you are very lucky that you were born in a very wealthy family, you can have everything.

Then you study preschool, primary school, secondary, then college, then you graduate. Let's say you are very good in your academics, you have a good job with a high salary or you have a good business, and you are earning well.

Then you have a perfect wife/husband, you have healthy and very intelligent children. You can travel around the world. You can buy everything you want. You are very wealthy or popular.

Then you get old, you get sick and then you die. End of everything. Because you are BODY WITH A SOUL, YOUR SOUL DIE WITH THE BODY. YOU DON'T EXIST ANYMORE!

Let's say you still exists after death, but just bones six feet below the ground.


Now, if you think YOU ARE A SOUL WITH A BODY - you reincarnate and born again in a different body as a baby, your new body depends on your karmas from previous reincarnations (may be hundreds, thousands, or millions, depending on how long your soul had existed). If you are lucky, you may remember your talents and intelligences from previous reincarnations, while as a child, you can already play well the piano, guitar, violin, you have a high IQ, very intelligent.

Because you think that you are a SOUL, you develop not just your PHYSICAL SELF but also YOUR INNER SELF or YOUR SOUL. You earn more good karmas, you serve humanity, you give to charities as this will be reflected to YOUR SOUL. You don't do anything bad, because it will be reflected with YOUR SOUL. You want to learn anything for the ADVANCEMENT and DEVELOPMENT of YOUR SOUL.

Then death comes, only your physical body dies, YOU LEAVE YOUR BODY. YOU GO TO A TEMPORARY PLACE to wait for another time to REINCARNATE to a new body and continue with YOUR DEVELOPMENT and ADVANCEMENT.

NOW, WHO ARE YOU? ARE YOU THE ONE OUTSIDE? or THE ONE INSIDE?

ARE YOU YOUR BODY? or YOUR SOUL? IT'S UP TO YOU!

[Pein]

• Eli Soriano teaches that God doesn't know everything.
• God doesn't know the Day of Judgment; but Soriano knows and predicts that the world will not last by 2010...

"Eh 'yung iba ang pangarap pa eh mapaka...magtatayo pa sila ng isang project na matatapos sa twenty ten (2010) ha! Sa two thousand ten 'dun daw matatapos, malaking project. Sabi ko, kayo nalang di' na ako sasali riyan, hehehe!. Hindi naman ako naniniwalang aabot pa tayo ng ganoong katagal na matagal na matagal eh."

• Teaches God of not present everywhere (i.e., omniscient).
• Teaches God of not capable of doing everything (i.e., omnipotent).
• Teaches that God is not alone in being God.
• Eli Soriano introduces himself as a god.
• Christ as the Saviour of men was not an original plan of the Father; but rather, a voluntary gesture or self-will of the Son after a supposed “caucus in heaven took place involving the three, i.e., God the Father, Son, and the Holy spirit.
• Teaches Christ of being sinful at one time.
• Teaches the Apostles of being prone to error when teaching the Gospel; yet Soriano claims he can answer any question.
• Believes there is only one Apostle with the name of James, instead of two as described in the Bible... compare
• Ladies are not created in the image of God but only men... compare
• Ladies will not enter Heaven unless she becomes a man, and a man a god.
• Personal insults, badmouthing and any other form of human degradation to fellow men is freely practiced and encourages at anytime, even during their worship service, just as long as it is what they personally think of that person, young or old alike... compare
• At one point he forbade his members to marry (see 1st Timothy 4:1-3).
• Practices speaking to the dead as well as spoke with God... compare

Mao nay SUGO NG DIOS? EXPOSED!!!

sorry ha karon rako nakabalik na busy ko sa mga niaging adlaw dah...

dis a ra gani ni nimo punits reg? sure ka reg reliable ning imong gikuhaan nga source?

hahay lumang tugtugin naman intawn ni oi...

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Please note:

Reincarnation has neither been proclaimed true nor condemned by any General Council of the Church, nor in any Creed accepted by a General Council. The Council of Constantinople, 543 AD, condemened the doctrine of the pre-existence of the Soul and affirmed that of special creation.

Remember the ff facts:

1. The Council of Constantinople, which condemned Origen's teaching of pre-existence, was not a General Council and so not universally authoritative. It was a local Council or Synod and not so oecummenical, or the the whole Christian world.

2. It did not condemn Reincarnation but only the pre-existence, which has nothing to do with Reincarnation. Origen taught that all Souls were created at the beginning of Creation as angelic Spirits. In this condition they sinned and for their apostasy were transfered into material bodies. It is this view of pre-existence which was condemned.

wow. thanks for this, cardinal j.