Karma and Reincarnation.

[Lovely Charm]

thanks for the correction, Mr. Dictionary. people make mistakes.

i thought you were just cracking a joke sir chad, maybe fish thought your making a follow thru of what cromagnon did in another thread,

[regnauld]

Sir sa akong nahibaw.an na excommunicate mana si Origen

Origen was not excommunicated because in the first place the pope even affirmed his stand on the doctrine of reincarnation!

[josephdc]

Then why did ORIGEN, one of the greatest church fathers and theologian affirmed the doctrine of reincarnation and was supported by the pope but only condemned by the emperor at that time?

I don't think that's true. Origen was probably misinterpreted.

Consider these quotes from his Commentary on Matthew:

"In this place it does not appear to me that by Elijah the soul is spoken of, lest I should fall into the dogma of transmigration, which is foreign to the church of God, and not handed down by the Apostles, nor anywhere set forth in the Scriptures; for it is also in opposition to the saying that "things seen are temporal," and that "this age shall have a consummation," and also to the fulfillment of the saying, "Heaven and earth shall pass away," and "the fashion of this world passeth away," and "the heavens shall perish," and what follows."

"For, observe, he did not say in the ‘soul’ of Elijah, in which case the doctrine of transmigration might have some ground, but ‘in the spirit and power of Elijah.’"

In this text, Origen refutes the theory of reincarnation.

But the idea that Origen or any of the Church Fathers believed in the doctrine of reincarnation is unlikely on its face. How can one be a Christian and believe in reincarnation? At the heart of Christianity is the atoning death of Jesus Christ. Reincarnation has no need of a savior who atones for our sins.

[Lovely Charm]

I don't think that's true. Origen was probably misinterpreted.

Consider these quotes from his Commentary on Matthew:



In this text, Origen refutes the theory of reincarnation.

But the idea that Origen or any of the Church Fathers believed in the doctrine of reincarnation is unlikely on its face. How can one be a Christian and believe in reincarnation? At the heart of Christianity is the atoning death of Jesus Christ. Reincarnation has no need of a savior who atones for our sins.

Sir josephdc,,,can you prove one life only? and in consequence, can you prove heaven & hell as well?

[Hellblazer 2.1]

Reincarnation has no need of a savior who atones for our sins.

what's so bad about that, sir? what's wrong with that, sir?

[chad_tukes]

i thought you were just cracking a joke sir chad, maybe fish thought your making a follow thru of what cromagnon did in another thread,

like what thread, miss lovely? sorry, this fish world thing is keeping me preoccupied.

and yes, i meant figment. my bad.

[josephdc]

Sir josephdc,,,can you prove one life only? and in consequence, can you prove heaven & hell as well?

No, ma'am I cannot prove that...

[Lovely Charm]

like what thread, miss lovely? sorry, this fish world thing is keeping me preoccupied.

and yes, i meant figment. my bad.

nah i cant find it na oi, well i just thought your doin what your doin....playin w/ words

[Lovely Charm]

No, ma'am I cannot prove that...

then that settles the issue of "karma & reincarnation" much as the enthusiast (of karma & reincarnation) would like to believe its soundness maybe as compared to the soundness of one life & yet they fail the same failure,,the method of proving something using materialistic science, you know "the see is to believe syndrome"

[josephdc]

what's so bad about that, sir? what's wrong with that, sir?

I think that it might not be good for us to hold a view that is probably not true. I think there are many good reasons for thinking that Jesus really did rise from the dead and that therefore he validated his claim to being the Son of God. Because that's true, reincarnation can't be true also.