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    Question: Where does your thought come from? Is it from the bible or from your mind?
    I think Both.
    I can say The concept in the Bible is very simple it doesn't consume the whole mind at all.

    back to the subject. Its not exactly how people view God but how they worship God since all people in their religion view God as Good. The real question is how do we worship God?

    In the book of Genesis we see a battle over worship and obedience that has been repeated throughout history which is a forshadow of the final future battle between good and evil.

    "Cain brought of the fruit of the ground an offering unto the LORD. And Abel, he also brought of the firstlings of his flock... And the LORD had respect unto Abel and to his offering: but unto Cain and to his offering he had not respect." Genesis 4:3-5

    The two brothers erected their altars alike, and each brought an offering. Abel presented a sacrifice from the flock, in accordance with the Lord's directions. "And the Lord had respect unto Abel and to his offering." Fire flashed from heaven and consumed the sacrifice. But Cain, disregarding the Lord's direct and explicit command, presented only an offering of fruit. There was no token from heaven to show that it was accepted. Abel pleaded with his brother to approach God in the divinely prescribed way, but his entreaties only made Cain the more determined to follow his own will.

    "By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain." Hebrews 11:4. Abel grasped the great principles of redemption. He saw himself a sinner, and he saw sin and its penalty, death, standing between his soul and communion with God. He brought the slain victim, the sacrificed life, thus acknowledging the claims of the law that had been transgressed. Through the shed blood he looked to the future sacrifice, Christ dying on the cross of Calvary; and trusting in the atonement that was there to be made, he had the witness that he was righteous, and his offering accepted. Cain had the same opportunity of learning and accepting these truths as had Abel. He was not the victim of an arbitrary purpose. One brother was not elected to be accepted of God, and the other to be rejected. Abel chose faith and obedience; Cain, unbelief and rebellion.

    Cain and Abel represent two classes that will exist in the world till the close of time. One class avail themselves of the appointed sacrifice for sin; the other venture to depend upon their own merits; theirs is a sacrifice without the virtue of divine mediation, and thus it is not able to bring man into favor with God. It is only through the merits of Jesus that our transgressions can be pardoned. Those who feel no need of the blood of Christ, who feel that without divine grace they can by their own works secure the approval of God, are making the same mistake as did Cain. If they do not accept the cleansing blood, they are under condemnation. There is no other provision made whereby they can be released from the thralldom of sin.

    The class of worshipers who follow the example of Cain includes by far the greater portion of the world; for nearly every false religion has been based on the same principle--that man can depend upon his own efforts for salvation. It is claimed by some that the human race is in need, not of redemption, but of development--that it can refine, elevate, and regenerate itself. As Cain thought to secure the divine favor by an offering that lacked the blood of a sacrifice, so do these expect to exalt humanity to the divine standard, independent of the atonement. The history of Cain shows what must be the results. It shows what man will become apart from Christ. Humanity has no power to regenerate itself. It does not tend upward, toward the divine, but downward, toward the satanic. Christ is our only hope. "There is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved." "Neither is there salvation in any other." Acts 4:12.

    True faith, which relies wholly upon Christ, will be manifested by obedience to all the requirements of God. From Adam's day to the present time the great controversy has been concerning obedience to God's law. In all ages there have been those who claimed a right to the favor of God even while they were disregarding some of His commands. But the Scriptures declare that by works is "faith made perfect;" and that, without the works of obedience, faith "is dead." James 2:22, 17. He that professes to know God, "and keepeth not His commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." 1 John 2:4.

    When Cain saw that his offering was rejected, he was angry with the Lord and with Abel; he was angry that God did not accept man's substitute in place of the sacrifice divinely ordained, and angry with his brother for choosing to obey God instead of joining in rebellion against Him.

    Notwithstanding Cain's disregard of the divine command, God did not leave him to himself; but He condescended to reason with the man who had shown himself so unreasonable. And the Lord said unto Cain, "Why art thou wroth? and why is thy countenance fallen?" Through an angel messenger the divine warning was conveyed: "If thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door." The choice lay with Cain himself. If he would trust to the merits of the promised Saviour, and would obey God's requirements, he would enjoy His favor. But should he persist in unbelief and transgression, he would have no ground for complaint because he was rejected by the Lord.

    But instead of acknowledging his sin, Cain continued to complain of the injustice of God and to cherish jealousy and hatred of Abel. He angrily reproached his brother, and attempted to draw him into controversy concerning God's dealings with them. In meekness, yet fearlessly and firmly, Abel defended the justice and goodness of God. He pointed out Cain's error, and tried to convince him that the wrong was in himself. He pointed to the compassion of God in sparing the life of their parents when He might have punished them with instant death, and urged that God loved them, or He would not have given His Son, innocent and holy, to suffer the penalty which they had incurred. All this caused Cain's anger to burn the hotter. Reason and conscience told him that Abel was in the right; but he was enraged that one who had been wont to heed his counsel should now presume to disagree with him, and that he could gain no sympathy in his rebellion. In the fury of his passion he slew his brother.

    Cain hated and killed his brother, not for any wrong that Abel had done, but "because his own works were evil, and his brother's righteous." 1 John 3:12. So in all ages the wicked have hated those who were better than themselves. Abel's life of obedience and unswerving faith was to Cain a perpetual reproof. "Everyone that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved." John 3:20. The brighter the heavenly light that is reflected from the character of God's faithful servants, the more clearly the sins of the ungodly are revealed, and the more determined will be their efforts to destroy those who disturb their peace.
    "the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him. God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth." John 4:23-24
    How to worship or Love God then?
    "If ye love me, keep my commandments." John 14:15.
    "For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous."
    1 John 5:3.
    "But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected." 1 John 2:5.
    So I would say that find a religion that obeys the commandments of God. Not some but all.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 09-05-2009 at 02:27 PM.

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    Bible: Source of Idea and thinking, to fill and make the mind working of how to conceive God....

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    The bible is just a product of Man's consciousness or MIND! Everything comes from the MIND or CONSCIOUSNESS... no more, no less!

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    Yup, the bible is rationaled to serve a certain purpose, to know and love God........

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    The Bible is a product of the Mind and Conciuosness. from prophets and eye witness accounts centuries apart which foretold the same exact prophecies that is the coming of Christ. Definitely not from people who has no mind which is purely out of imagination.
    The Bible gives man Wisdom from God a divine wisdom.
    Even Newton and Einstein believed in God (Christian God)

    The discovery of the Bible is proven to be scientific apart from the contents itself.
    Last edited by Kenshiro; 09-05-2009 at 02:48 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    The Bible is a product of the Mind and Conciuosness. from prophets and eye witness accounts centuries apart which foretold the same exact prophecies that is the coming of Christ. Definitely not from people who has no mind which is purely out of imagination.
    The Bible gives man Wisdom from God a divine wisdom.
    Even Newton and Einstein believed in God (Christian God)
    No. I beg to disagree. Einstein didn't believe in a Christian GOD or Anthropomorphic GOD but rather he believed in Pantheistic GOD ...that GOD is everything in this UNIVERSE!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kenjoenue View Post
    There are many religions in the world. Nearly every religion claims that it is the only right religion. It is very confusing to people who are looking for the truth or are looking for God. Who should they listen to? Who has the right answer? Which religion is right? Or are they all right? Are they all good, since they basically teach people to be good? Are they all wrong? Let us consider these questions.
    The word "religion" in the Bible means "ceremonial service and worship to God." This is generally the primary definition found in dictionaries. But today this word may be used to refer to any set of beliefs, whether or not this set of beliefs includes service and worship to God. This is the secondary definition according to dictionaries.
    Most Religions Teach People to be Good
    Man wants to be good because he was created in God's image with an inward desire to be good, as God is good. Man also wants to worship and serve God because man was created with a spirit within him that is for contacting God; this gives him a desire to seek after God. Wherever you go on the earth, you will always find people worshipping something, whether it be the true God or many false, man-made gods. You can never find any animal worshipping anything, because only man has a spirit that causes an inner seeking to know and worship God. Not having God living inside of him, man still wants to express God. Not knowing God and His intention, man nonetheless wants to worship and serve someone. It is this inner seeking that gives rise to religion.
    Most religions, whether they are according to the primary or the secondary definition, mainly teach people to be good by trying to activate the good nature that is within them. Generally, they teach people to love, to help and not hurt others, to do good deeds, etc. They may even teach various methods of achieving these objectives. Most of these teachings and methods are moral and ethical. At the same time they teach their people to ask God for help. They also promise that God will reward their people if they do well. But there has been a big problem concerning religion - neither the teachers nor the followers can live according to their standards. Although there is a willingness to follow them, there is a lack of ability to do so. This is because sin dwells in the flesh of man, preventing man from living according to such standards. The sinful nature, expressed in selfishness, strife, jealousy, etc., always overtakes man, causing man to fail. Many get frustrated and either look for another religion, form their own new religion, or give up on religion altogether. Religious man is incapable of being absolutely good, and his worship and service can never satisfy God.
    All Religions View God Differently
    Religions have all different views concerning God and different approaches to God. Most of the time these views and approaches are not according to the revelation of God in His word. Some have the true God, yet their worship and service are not according to His desire. Some have false gods, so it does not matter what rituals they have - they will never arrive at the true God. Each religion describes its "God" or gods as the right one(s), and they are all different. By logic, either they are all false or only one is true. Some people say that they believe God is this way or that way, but God does not change according to people's beliefs. People cannot create their own God according to their concepts. People need to find out who God is and what He wants with man. It is a tragedy that many people give their entire life to false gods. They will end up getting nothing. We must find the one and only true God and establish our relationship with Him.
    Simple Descriptions of Some Larger Religions
    According to the primary definition, there are mainly two religions - Judiasm and Christianity which includes Catholicism and Protestantism with its myriad of denominations. Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses are considered deviants from Christianity. They are considered heretical by Christians. Islam seems to be talking about the same God, yet its book of Koran is a composite of human philosophy and many teachings and stories from the Bible. There are many other groups which are religions according to the secondary definition, such as Buddhism and Hinduism. These do not believe in the God who is the Creator and a Person.
    Although Judaism teaches people to worship the true God, it is not a religion set up by God. The Jews did receive their original revelations from God through Abraham and Moses, but they formed a religion around Moses' five books of law and developed many traditions. By the time God Himself came as Jesus, they were already so far away from God that they could not recognize Him. They used the law to persecute Him and eventually killed Him.
    Christianity is also not a religion set up by God. Although it had its beginning with Christ who was God, it also has deviated from the main line of what God wanted to do. It still has the name of Jesus and the Bible and talks about the death of Christ for man's sin. However, it has degraded so much that it is of little value and usefulness to God.
    Man Was Created to be Full of God
    The Bible tells us that there is only one God who created the heaven, the earth, and man. His intention in creating man is to coinhere with man. In other words, He wants to live in man so that man may live in Him. He wants to be organically one with man. He created man in His image so that man may have His life to be His expression. Man was to love as God loves and live righteously as God is righteous. God also wanted man to have His authority to rule for Him, to keep a good order on the earth, and to defeat His enemy Satan. Man failed God by receiving Satan into him. Thus, man was ruined for God's original intention.
    God's Way to Bring Man Back, Apart from Any Religion
    Religion can never fulfill God's intention for man, but God, being eager to bring man back to His intention, became a man Himself. Firstly, He showed man how God could live in man and man in God. His living was that of a man coinhering with God. He expressed all that God is, and He was without sin. Secondly, He died for sinful man so that man would not have to die. Thirdly, He resurrected to be life to all those who would believe and receive Him so that He could live in them. Receiving Christ in such a way restores man to God's original intention. Man may receive God for God to live in him and he in God. Then when man lives, God is living in and through him. This is the greatest wonder in the universe.
    All Religions Fail God's Purpose
    If you see God's intention, then you will see that no religion understands this, and all are doomed to fail. Man on his own cannot love or be righteous as God can love and be righteous. No teaching, method, nor practice can help man make it. Only Jesus Christ made it because He is God incarnate. He is now available to live in you so that He may make it again in you. Then you will be enabled to have the highest standard of morality, as Jesus Christ did, and to express God on earth to fulfill His intention and satisfy His heart's desire. What you need is not any religion but the living Christ entering into you and living in you and you in Him. What you need is Jesus. Say, "Lord Jesus, I need You. I do not need religion. I do not need to try harder. I need You to be my life. Lord, come into me to live in me."
    Bible Verses for Your Reading:
    Zechariah 12:1 The LORD, which stretches forth the heaven, and lays the foundation of the earth, and forms the spirit of man within him.
    Haggai 2:7 And the desire of all nations shall come: and I will fill this house with glory.
    Romans 2:21 You therefore who teach another, do you not teach yourself?
    Romans 7:18, 20 For I know that in me, that is, in my flesh, nothing good dwells; for to will is present with me, but to work out the good is not. But if what I do not will, this I do, it is no longer I that work it out but sin that dwells in me.
    John 17:3 That they may know You, the only true God, and Him whom You have sent, Jesus Christ.
    Acts 7:2 The God of glory appeared to our father Abraham while he was in Mesopotamia.
    Acts 7:30 An Angel appeared to him[Moses].
    Mark 7:6, 8 This people honors Me with their lips, but their heart stays far away from Me; While leaving the commandment of God, you hold the tradition of men.
    Acts 3:15 And the Author of life you killed.
    2 Timothy 1:15 All who are in Asia turned away from me.
    2 Timothy 3:1, 5 But know this, that in the last days difficult times will come. Having an outward form of godliness, though denying its power; from these also turn away.
    Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created.
    John 14:20 In that day you will know that I am in My Father, and you in Me, and I in you.
    John 14:23 My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make an abode with him.
    1 Corinthians 6:17 But he who is joined to the Lord is one spirit.
    Genesis 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion... over all the earth.
    John 3:16 For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that every one who believes into Him would not perish, but would have eternal life.
    Luke 19:10 For the Son of Man has come to seek and to save that which is lost.
    John 1:1, 14 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. And the Word became flesh.
    John 6:57 As the living Father has sent Me and I live because of the Father.
    Colossians 2:9 For in Him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
    1 Timothy 3:16 Great is the mystery of godliness: He who was manifested in the flesh.
    Hebrews 4:15 One who has been tempted in all respects like us, yet without sin.
    1 Peter 3:18 For Christ also has suffered once for sins, the Righteous on behalf of the unrighteous, that He might bring you to God.
    1 Peter 1:3 Has regenerated us unto a living hope through the resurrection of Jesus Christ from the dead.
    John 1:12 But as many as received Him, to them He gave the authority to become children of God, to those who believe into His name.
    Galatians 2:20 I am crucified with Christ; and it is no longer I who live, but it is Christ who lives in me.
    Colossians 2:6 As therefore you have received the Christ, Jesus the Lord, walk in Him.
    "NO RELIGION IS THE ONE TRUE RELIGION BECAUSE NO RELIGION IS HIGHER THAN TRUTH. "

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kenshiro View Post
    The Bible is a product of the Mind and Conciuosness. from prophets and eye witness accounts centuries apart which foretold the same exact prophecies that is the coming of Christ. Definitely not from people who has no mind which is purely out of imagination.
    The Bible gives man Wisdom from God a divine wisdom.
    Even Newton and Einstein believed in God (Christian God)

    The discovery of the Bible is proven to be scientific apart from the contents itself.
    first, the BIBLE is not in any way a form of "scientific" literature in nature. you can check the library where its located, in which section.

    second, EINSTEIN was no atheist. he did not believe in BIBLEGOD either. nice try though. another footnote to misquoting Einstein.
    ON topic:

    Which Religion Is Right?

    uhhhhhm, of course...YOURS. duh.

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    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    first, the BIBLE is not in any way a form of "scientific" literature in nature. you can check the library where its located, in which section.

    second, EINSTEIN was no atheist. he did not believe in BIBLEGOD either. nice try though. another footnote to misquoting Einstein.
    ON topic:

    Which Religion Is Right?

    uhhhhhm, of course...YOURS. duh.
    where's ur proof?

    Jesus Christ is the perfected religion of God(The LORD of hosts) to Man!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    "no religion is the one true religion because no religion is higher than truth. "
    there is higher than the truth, and that's the absolute truth(bible)

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