Tomas: Where did the money go (Gwen)?

[sharkey360]

Does anyone agree with the commentary?

Nalzaro: Tomas wiser than Gwen | Sun.Star Network Online

[andiwilliams]

for giddyboy are you an employee of the capitol ?? kabalo lagi ka sa tanan gibuhat nila. to all tomas haters kuno or should i say mga pakawala sa capitol. do you really think tomas is equal to gwen or bisan kauban pa si wen, pablo john, byron, mary ann delos santos, guardo , alvin garcia, cuenco and even apil ang ang sunstar. wla as ain zero ni silang tanan against tomas in terms of performance dili man mo ka deny ana ba pro mo refuse mo and look on another way. one example is , next year is the election ang tanan mga TRADITIONAL POLITICIANS nagsugod na og papogi points sa tanan pro si tomas iya gi fight ang mga hospital and schools na wla mobayad og taxes without thinking sa possible resbak gikan aning mga businessman ( they can always support in terms of financial to tomas political enemies pra dili kadaog si tomas) pro wla maghunahuna si tomas kay ngano sakto sya grabe na ang pangwarta aning mga establishments. do you think katong mga kontra ni tomas makahimo aning klase sa political will ? I DON'T THINK SO like cuenco sge lang og pabuto og mga news items about druglords sge lang imbestiga pro wlay nadakpan na druglord. si gwen kusog kaayo mo sponsor og airsoft instead of promoting local sports sa probinsya ( dayon dayon ( local volleyball, basketball, softball etc... ) kaning tanan na kontra ni tomas pro pa project lang kutob wlay agi ... na ay nawong nila gwen og ni migo pj sa south terminal ay unsa may mahimo anang nawong or picture makatabang sa mga probinsyano. sge newspaper sa about suroy suroy kinsa man nakakuha sa benifits ani mga local politicians sa mga lungsod and gwen fpr possible pogi points for election haay. The Osmena's LITO AND TOMAS are visionaries and they performed unlike others puro propaganda sa newspapers.

[eslowrak]

ang problema ni gwen kay kusug kaayo manghambog nga dato ang cebu province pero sa tinuod walay mga project nga concrete gyud mao nga ang kwarta naa ra gihapon wala gi invest para sa mga taga probinsya..

Naa man gi invest ang province kanang CICC 800 million ug Nagpalit ug yuta sa Balili land sa Naga 100 million nga naa ilawom sa dagat.

[giddyboy]

Nah sunstar editorial na pud! Who's the owner of Sunstar? Garcias. Kamo na lay sumpay ana hahaha!!!

no room for ad hominem arguments here. just read his editorial opinion and refute those opinion and not because he comes from Sun.Star. explain if he doesn't make sense...he is not an award-winning editor if he does not make good opinion, isn't it?

btw, Pablo nor Gwen doesn't own Sun.Star but ang side ni Jesus Sr...and then you might say "blood is thicker than water". oh well, Sun.Star couldn't be a newspaper garnering numerous awards if the paper is biased, no readership, or not credible isn't it?

Does anyone agree with the commentary?

Nalzaro: Tomas wiser than Gwen | Sun.Star Network Online

i agree too pero dili tanan.

for giddyboy are you an employee of the capitol ?? kabalo lagi ka sa tanan gibuhat nila.

i'm not an employee of Capitol nor in any gov't agency. I am just a lumad taga Cebu and all my years as an observer, nkabalo ko ug mga things that no teen, teenager, or yuppie like you could have.

to all tomas haters kuno or should i say mga pakawala sa capitol. do you really think tomas is equal to gwen or bisan kauban pa si wen, pablo john, byron, mary ann delos santos, guardo , alvin garcia, cuenco and even apil ang ang sunstar. wla as ain zero ni silang tanan against tomas in terms of performance dili man mo ka deny ana ba pro mo refuse mo and look on another way.

ang performance ni Gwen sa Province maoy nkapa insecure ni Tomas and the City Council ky what Gwen did in her term for less than a decade cannot compare to what these city officials have done in more than a decade. maoy nay labing tinuod. hadlok cla nga coz of that, mo infiltrate nya c Gwen sa Cebu City politics. mayra.

and what performance did Tomas make are u talking about? the increasing dengue cases in the City? the mismanagement of the Inayawan landfill? his arrogant towing companies? badly damaged roads? unsightly and dirty Carbon market? ang way ayo nga CCMC?

except the SRP, please show me other concrete accomplishments that he did...pls refresh me.

and he's been a mayor since when? sa kadugay na niya, I can't even remember anymore.

btw, ang recla (or SRP) dili na original idea ni Tomas but from his ancestor, the late President Sergio Osmena.

si tomas iya gi fight ang mga hospital and schools na wla mobayad og taxes without thinking sa possible resbak gikan aning mga businessman ( they can always support in terms of financial to tomas political enemies pra dili kadaog si tomas) pro wla maghunahuna si tomas kay ngano sakto sya grabe na ang pangwarta aning mga establishments.

hahaha. you have to go deeper than that. you know one of the reasons why he is going after the non-profit schools and hospitals? coz the city can't barely able to pay the loans they used to construct the SRP, that's why. pamahala style nana iyaha.

do you think katong mga kontra ni tomas makahimo aning klase sa political will ? I DON'T THINK SO like cuenco sge lang og pabuto og mga news items about druglords sge lang imbestiga pro wlay nadakpan na druglord.

what? where did you come from? the megashabu lab in Mandaue was a big case in the fight against illegal drugs!

si gwen kusog kaayo mo sponsor og airsoft instead of promoting local sports sa probinsya ( dayon dayon ( local volleyball, basketball, softball etc... )

liga sa basketball, volleyball ug unsa pana tua nana sa LGU's dodong oi. trabaho nana sa mga municipal mayors. they've been empowered to do that. pero nag promote man pud ang province ana.

ug ayaw panaway anang airsoft pre, ky daghan baya ang malingaw ug duwa ug tanaw ana sa probincya. besides, the sport shows a potential that we can compete in the national, if not the international level. basketball? wala natay pag-asa ana...leave it to PBA nlng.

kaning tanan na kontra ni tomas pro pa project lang kutob wlay agi ... na ay nawong nila gwen og ni migo pj sa south terminal ay unsa may mahimo anang nawong or picture makatabang sa mga probinsyano. sge newspaper sa about suroy suroy kinsa man nakakuha sa benifits ani mga local politicians sa mga lungsod and gwen fpr possible pogi points for election haay.

unsay walay agi? where have u been?

The Osmena's LITO AND TOMAS are visionaries and they performed unlike others puro propaganda sa newspapers.

what's wrong with Suroy2x sa Sugbu? what's wrong w/ promoting local tourism sa province? in fact, booming ang tourism industry nato sa probincya...thanks to Sec. Ace Durano's effort.

why is it tomas fault na daghan kaau og squatters ang cebu? dont you know na kaning mga squatters are not from cebu city..that is precisely why they are squatting on other people's lands. they are from other provinces..including cebu province. shouldnt u instead be pointing your finger at gwen for not providing enough employment opportunities in the province? moreover, show me a highly urbanized country here in the philippines that doesnt have the problems of snatchers, robbers and all those you mentioned. if this problem is uniquely cebu, il gladly transfer residence.

it is already a given that an urbanized city attracts people from different places like a magnet. that includes squatters. it happens all over the world.

while you cannot blame Tomas ngano daghan squatters sa syudad, you cannot also blame Gwen that some of her constituents transfer to the city. It is not because mas daghan opportunities. it's because of economic network activity. Perhaps some parents can already afford their kids to send to a city school. Perhaps sa ilang negosyo kinanglan mag deliver sa syudad. Perhaps nka balay na sa syudad. etc. etc. blah blah blah. Simply put, it is always the city ang naay mas daghan nga opportunities ug activity compared sa countryside. mao btaw na nga kung a certain town mgka daghan ug opportunities, economic activity, mahimo ug syudad kadugayan.

it is just a matter on how the city mayor can manage those squatters. it's his job you know. as we also all know, squatting is illegal but he condones it somehow. usik pud baya ky mamotaray man gud sa syudad...

besides, not all squatters came from Cebu province you know...tanawa lng gud nang taga Pasil nga squatters. almost all of them came from nearby Bohol. heck our squatters even came as far as from Mindanao...

MULTIPLIER EFFECT?? What exactly is it multiplying?

kad2ng ASEAN summit, all airline, hotels and resorts are fully booked. the CICC don't make money out of these, but them. not to mention the money these delegates spend on restaurants, local tourism, transportation, etc.

maoy nay pasabot sa MULTIPLIER EFFECT. everybody will be happy.

if naay poy international trade fair, exhibit, or convention, people from other places (domestic or foreign) will come to attend the events. same story as i mentioned.

Our local exporters of marine, agro, furniture, gifts, toys, housewares, and fashion accessories, will be able to showcase their products to the world and make more money to their business. that's another multiplier effect of the CICC.

[leonell]

Those squatters are not all from the CITY, those are from other Provinces including the Cebu PROVINCE. Gwen's failure to provide enough jobs has forced probinsyanos to try their luck in Cebu City.

[genesis04]

while you cannot blame Tomas ngano daghan squatters sa syudad, you cannot also blame Gwen that some of her constituents transfer to the city. It is not because mas daghan opportunities. it's because of economic network activity. Perhaps some parents can already afford their kids to send to a city school. Perhaps sa ilang negosyo kinanglan mag deliver sa syudad. Perhaps nka balay na sa syudad. etc. etc. blah blah blah. Simply put, it is always the city ang naay mas daghan nga opportunities ug activity compared sa countryside. mao btaw na nga kung a certain town mgka daghan ug opportunities, economic activity, mahimo ug syudad kadugayan.

it is just a matter on how the city mayor can manage those squatters. it's his job you know. as we also all know, squatting is illegal but he condones it somehow. usik pud baya ky mamotaray man gud sa syudad...

bai, i am truly sorry but i just find your response here really funny and ironic.

1. you mentioned and to quote you "Perhaps some parents can already afford their kids to send to a city school."

if this is true then their kids are not considered squatters. they are lodgers living in boarding houses, right? well, of course, you might reply nga some of them are in boarding houses or bed spacers nga naa sa squatter area..and that is true but only because there are squatters in the first place. dili cla mismo ang squatters. they just grabbed the opportunity of finding the lowest rentable space.

2. Perhaps sa ilang negosyo kinanglan mag deliver sa syudad.

if magdeliver lang cla sa syudad, why would they need to squat? sorry but didnt get the point here.

3. and the best of all...Perhaps nka balay na sa syudad.

then they are not considered squatters..kay naka balay man cla. or else, naka balay lagi sa syudad on someone else's property. then they are squatters. so which is which?

although il be the first to agree nga tomas has a "devil-may-care attitude" that just rubs other people in the wrong way. but what i do admire in him is his political will. i whoel heartedly agree that hospitals and schools are fast becoming profit organizations/establishments and t hey should pay taxes. kay if it was true that they are a non-profit entity, do you really think wa na dato cla larazzabal, augusto go, velez, aznar, gullas and the owners of chong hua from their respective hospitals and schools? i dont know if the real motive of osmena is for these taxes to help pay the interests sa SRP..but i do know that these businesses should pay taxes.

and regarding the SRP, na mag cge og criticize and Capitol, it is completely the fault of capitol, gullas, the city of talisay and the political enemies of osmena who is at fault here. and this is perhaps the greatest reason why i completely abhor and hate them. if they have not continuously blocked and "question" and make samok2 sa SRP, these lands would have long been sold and a new economic boom would have been possible for cebu. but because of them, the SRP right now continues to sit on its potential while interesy payments are rising. and who are paying for these..kita tawn mga from the city of cebu. instead of already reaping the benefits of this investment, the city of cebu is now stuck with the payments without the means to do so. is this tomas fault? that is a big NO! gwen's, capitol and the rest of them...definitely YES!

so you can all keep on praising gwen, the garcias and the rest of them! and let history be eventually the judge on who is better! but for now, im siding with osmena..and more importantly, the CITY of CEBU!

*** mas maayo nang klarohon na CITY of CEBU...not the province of cebu!

[LytSlpr]

hahaha. ang taga Cebu dili stupid ug mada ra dayon sa botbot ni Tomas...He just can't anymore distinguish between an apple and an orange, does he? or perhaps he does, but wanted to make it look like they're the same via the old spin tactic...this is like beating again a dead horse...and by his standards, he does not think evidence and powerpoint is needed anymore. no wonder.

it was purely an apples to apples comparison. it was just a matter of which one is the "bigger" apple. i don't know if you catch my drift.

[jfox]

Those squatters are not all from the CITY, those are from other Provinces including the Cebu PROVINCE. Gwen's failure to provide enough jobs has forced probinsyanos to try their luck in Cebu City.

mao jud.........

[giddyboy]

bai, i am truly sorry but i just find your response here really funny and ironic.
1. you mentioned and to quote you "Perhaps some parents can already afford their kids to send to a city school."
if this is true then their kids are not considered squatters. they are lodgers living in boarding houses, right? well, of course, you might reply nga some of them are in boarding houses or bed spacers nga naa sa squatter area..and that is true but only because there are squatters in the first place. dili cla mismo ang squatters. they just grabbed the opportunity of finding the lowest rentable space.
2. Perhaps sa ilang negosyo kinanglan mag deliver sa syudad.
if magdeliver lang cla sa syudad, why would they need to squat? sorry but didnt get the point here.
3. and the best of all...Perhaps nka balay na sa syudad.
then they are not considered squatters..kay naka balay man cla. or else, naka balay lagi sa syudad on someone else's property. then they are squatters. so which is which?

you just didn't catch my drift. i am not only talking about squatters. I am talking about why people go to the city from the provinces.

again, sa issue sa squatters, not all squatters came from the Cebu Province.

although il be the first to agree nga tomas has a "devil-may-care attitude" that just rubs other people in the wrong way. but what i do admire in him is his political will. i whoel heartedly agree that hospitals and schools are fast becoming profit organizations/establishments and t hey should pay taxes. kay if it was true that they are a non-profit entity, do you really think wa na dato cla larazzabal, augusto go, velez, aznar, gullas and the owners of chong hua from their respective hospitals and schools? i dont know if the real motive of osmena is for these taxes to help pay the interests sa SRP..but i do know that these businesses should pay taxes.

I have no problem w/ Tomas going after these schools and hospitals. I even think it is a good move. I am just showing you another reason why he is going after them. and that is because ngkalisod ang syudad ug bayad sa loans sa SRP.

and regarding the SRP, na mag cge og criticize and Capitol, it is completely the fault of capitol, gullas, the city of talisay and the political enemies of osmena who is at fault here. and this is perhaps the greatest reason why i completely abhor and hate them. if they have not continuously blocked and "question" and make samok2 sa SRP, these lands would have long been sold and a new economic boom would have been possible for cebu. but because of them, the SRP right now continues to sit on its potential while interesy payments are rising. and who are paying for these..kita tawn mga from the city of cebu. instead of already reaping the benefits of this investment, the city of cebu is now stuck with the payments without the means to do so. is this tomas fault? that is a big NO! gwen's, capitol and the rest of them...definitely YES!

no, no, no. sa SRP, there are a lot of factors involved why wala dayon ma develop ang lots.

if only Tomas had been very careful in marking the line between Talisay and Cebu City, then Gullas wouldn't have to bother raising the issue. besides, Gullas as a Talisay official has to protect the welfare and rights of Talisay. just because ma alaut ang taga Cebu City tungod ani doesn't mean Gullas has to sacrifice his constituents. that's how simple it should work.

and if only Tomas would have been transparent about the FLI deal in the first place, dili unta na mahitabo ang mga controversies surrounding it. you see, it is not only Capitol ang ganahan mka hibaw sa true facts regarding the anomalous deal but also those concerned Cebuanos as well like me.

how in the hell can you justify economic development if the methods used in those is anomalous?

so you can all keep on praising gwen, the garcias and the rest of them! and let history be eventually the judge on who is better! but for now, im siding with osmena..and more importantly, the CITY of CEBU!

*** mas maayo nang klarohon na CITY of CEBU...not the province of cebu!

don't get me wrong. I'm not all praises to Gwen. in fact, in some other issues I also criticized her. For example is the Balili lot issue. I am just citing Gwen's accomplishments, and her relatives as well. coz it seems sayon raman gud kaayo ninyo mo ngaw ngaw ug dili mao. what I only tried to point out is we should give credit where it is due.

don't also get to thinking that I am implying Cebu City vs. Cebu province. hell no! to tell u the truth, I am a Mandaue City resident, born and raised in Cebu City, with lots of Lapu-Lapu relatives, with hometowns both in the southernmost tip of the south and in the north of Cebu. so to speak, I am concerned of the entire Cebu, not just the Province nor Cebu City.

if you see Gwen and all the Garcia as "hugaw" and the Osmenas not, then all I can say is what you perceive is not really what is factual. what you think you know is not factual. but of course, i prefer to keep that a secret...

Those squatters are not all from the CITY, those are from other Provinces including the Cebu PROVINCE. Gwen's failure to provide enough jobs has forced probinsyanos to try their luck in Cebu City.

asa man intawn ka mangahoy ug probincya nga mas daghan ug opportunidad kaysa sa syudad aber?

coz if we follow your logic, then all the Cebu City residents who decided to work in Manila or abroad is a failure of Tomas to provide enough jobs too!

like I said, not all squatters in Cebu City comes from Cebu Province. sa Pasil gani, halos tanan gkan sa Bohol islands. there are even squatters that come as far as from Mindanao!

ana gyud na ang urbanized city pre, it is like a magnet that draws people from different places, including squatters.

besides, dili man sab tanan squatters wala gyuy opportunity sa probincya. it's just that some like to beg rather than to plant crops, raise livestock or what have you.

it's just that some are "professional" squatters. u know what that means? squatter nga gi take advantage ug gi negosyo ilang pgka squatter. have u even knew of a family who has a house and lot (and a farm) in the Province pero at the same time squatter pud cla sa syudad? I do.

[giddyboy]

it was purely an apples to apples comparison. it was just a matter of which one is the "bigger" apple. i don't know if you catch my drift.

well, you can also put it that way...which one is the bigger apple and which one is the more expensive apple.

but then again, there are lots of factors to be considered first if you want to compare them both. that's why an editorial said Tomas' comparison is odious.