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  1. #301

    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post
    its a story fabricated to pirate us of our self-esteem and confidence..
    its an emotional blackmail for short.

  2. #302
    Quote Originally Posted by Lovely Charm View Post
    Yah precisely po, but in fairness w/ mr. chia i think his a good man, its just that you dont subscribe to his literal translation of the bible, pero parang mabait yung pagka compose ng sulat nya, mas maldita ka pa nga sir bluedes eh,he,he.he
    oh don't be fooled by such "mabait-ness".. all the twistedness in the world can be covered up with flowery words.. but i'm not condemning mr. ho chia, like i said, there's no absolute sure guidebook on parenting.

    my being "maldita" is not because i'm "maldita".. its just the content of my words. there's no way to being "mabait" when it comes to objectivity.. it's all in the interpretation, my dear.. if you're affected by such words, then all the more that such words ring some form of truth in you..

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by munzter666 View Post
    its an emotional blackmail for short.
    and what kind of "religion" has emotional blackmail as its foundation?!

    even if its really a requirement to subscribe to a religion, i would rather not subscribe to that..
    and if that's the only religion left in the world, i would rather be an outcast than subscribe to that..

  4. #304
    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post
    sorry to disappoint you.. but I'm not better than God in many ways. I just don't subscribe to your anthropomorphic idea of God which is very limited by the way. The Christian God according to your definition is just an idol you create for your own personal needs. Its a cultural god. How can you ascribe something that you made out of your own mind a personality to this God of yours? Then again, its for your own personal needs. So its up to you.. as long as your happy with your God. but that's not a universal god you talk of..
    Well, you are WRONG... my GOD is not limited by what my mind nor yours can comprehend, He is never an idol to me nor an ATM machine that i run too when in need, HE is much more than that. Scriptures explicitly speaks of HIS nature and greatness. It is never about me and my needs, it is always about HIM and His glory.

    Youp it's a choice I made. HE is GOD alone to me.
    Last edited by Mr.Ho_chia; 07-13-2009 at 10:23 AM.

  5. #305
    Quote Originally Posted by bluedes View Post
    well, if you don't care how your son feels, its up to you. being righteous and disregarding your own son's feelings... hmm.. its your own style of parenting. nobody's making excuses.. its the natural tendency of kids who are pressured by many conditions of the parent.

    how can you truly expect your son not to lie anymore when he was "taught" to lie from the very start out of fear towards you? and most especially if he was brought up that way for many years..

    oh well, God Bless you too.
    You got it all wrong. I didn't say i am disregarding my sons feeling in the context of ignoring him. what i meant was his feelings which is important to me is irrelevant when we talk about righteousness and perfection in the eyes of a HOLY GOD, the point is, even if he is innocent the inherent sinful nature of the flesh expresses itself across all ages whether we reach the age of accountability or not. that by nature we are sinners if we compare ourselves to the perfection that GOD is. And GOD understood that perfectly that is why HE provided hope to everyone who believed, that while we are still sinners Christ died for us and in the process justified us, that we too maybe blameless and perfect in the site of GOD.

    by the way we don't raise our children out of fear. he is brought up in a secure, happy and loving environment that is pleasing to GOD as we try harder.

  6. #306
    choosing a religion is a personal decision. unta.
    but we'll have to respect what everyone chooses

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    A catholic by paper.

  8. #308
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia View Post
    Well, you are WRONG... my GOD is not limited by what my mind nor yours can comprehend, He is never an idol to me nor an ATM machine that i run too when in need, HE is much more than that. Scriptures explicitly speaks of HIS nature and greatness. It is never about me and my needs, it is always about HIM and His glory.

    Youp it's a choice I made. HE is GOD alone to me.
    well if you admit your God is not limited by your mind, then why the very rigid definition of what God can do or allow from your own words and ideas? You're just using God to discipline your child.. and you're not even aware of that.

    Anyway, like I said, you made a choice.. so you have an obligation to live with it.

  9. #309
    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia View Post
    You got it all wrong. I didn't say i am disregarding my sons feeling in the context of ignoring him. what i meant was his feelings which is important to me is irrelevant when we talk about righteousness and perfection in the eyes of a HOLY GOD, the point is, even if he is innocent the inherent sinful nature of the flesh expresses itself across all ages whether we reach the age of accountability or not. that by nature we are sinners if we compare ourselves to the perfection that GOD is. And GOD understood that perfectly that is why HE provided hope to everyone who believed, that while we are still sinners Christ died for us and in the process justified us, that we too maybe blameless and perfect in the site of GOD.
    you talk of dogma to justify your means.. there's nothing I can argue about that. but don't place the responsibility on God, shoulder it on yourself. You chose that for your son.. and your son has barely little idea what he's getting into, only the fact that you're into it, and you're leading your son into it also. You have your reasons for leading your son into YOUR religion. Just be prepared for a possibility that your son might choose otherwise.. I wonder how you will respond to him 10 or 20 years from now.. (damnation in hell? or son, you have a free choice, and we'll still love you no matter what )

    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.Ho_chia View Post
    by the way we don't raise our children out of fear. he is brought up in a secure, happy and loving environment that is pleasing to GOD as we try harder.
    that's what you say.. but its already ridden with conditions.. you may not be aware of it because you're neck deep into those conditions already.. but your son is not..

    what happens when your son fails to please God?

  10. #310
    Quote Originally Posted by r3roble View Post
    yes, true but please don't compare the way you corrected our fellow brethren with the way our Lord Jesus has corrected the sinners. please bro, don't, i beg of you...
    I agree with you bro, Ga tuo ko ni Kristo but i think sakto ka sa pagsulti nga "don't compare the way you corrected our fellow brethren with the way our Lord Jesus has corrected the sinners." kay naa butang nga wala natu makita nga nakita ni Jesus.

    Abi kaay naa sa Bibliya nya gisulti ni Jesus nagpasabot nga atu sad isulti sa uban, Labi nag jud nang Pag judge sa uban if nakasala bah or wala. We should be witnesses Not Judges..


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