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  1. #181

    Author Date Written Earliest Copy Time Span Copies (extent)

    Secular Manuscripts:
    Herodotus (History) 480 - 425 BC 900 AD 1,300 years 8
    Thucydides (History) 460 - 400 BC 900 AD 1,300 years ?
    Aristotle (Philosopher) 384 - 322 BC 1,100 AD 1,400 years 5
    Caesar (History) 100 - 44 BC 900 AD 1,000 years 10
    Pliny (History) 61 - 113 AD 850 AD 750 years 7
    Suetonius (Roman History) 70 - 140 AD 950 AD 800 years ?
    Tacitus (Greek History) 100 AD 1,100 AD 1,000 years 20

    Biblical Manuscripts: (note: these are individual manuscripts)
    Magdalene Ms (Matthew 26) 1st century 50-60 AD co-existant (?)
    John Rylands (John) 90 AD 130 AD 40 years
    Bodmer Papyrus II (John) 90 AD 150-200 AD 60-110 years
    Chester Beatty Papyri (N.T.) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Diatessaron by Tatian (Gospels) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Codex Vaticanus (Bible) 1st century 325-350 AD 275-300 years
    Codex Sinaiticus (Bible) 1st century 350 AD 300 years
    Codex Alexandrinus (Bible) 1st century 400 AD 350 years

    (Total New Testament manuscripts = 5,300 Greek MSS, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 9,300 others = 24,000 copies)
    (Total MSS compiled prior to 600 AD = 230)
    Last edited by tatakalz; 07-12-2009 at 03:26 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tatakalz View Post
    Author Date Written Earliest Copy Time Span Copies (extent)

    Secular Manuscripts:
    Herodotus (History) 480 - 425 BC 900 AD 1,300 years 8
    Thucydides (History) 460 - 400 BC 900 AD 1,300 years ?
    Aristotle (Philosopher) 384 - 322 BC 1,100 AD 1,400 years 5
    Caesar (History) 100 - 44 BC 900 AD 1,000 years 10
    Pliny (History) 61 - 113 AD 850 AD 750 years 7
    Suetonius (Roman History) 70 - 140 AD 950 AD 800 years ?
    Tacitus (Greek History) 100 AD 1,100 AD 1,000 years 20

    Biblical Manuscripts: (note: these are individual manuscripts)
    Magdalene Ms (Matthew 26) 1st century 50-60 AD co-existant (?)
    John Rylands (John) 90 AD 130 AD 40 years
    Bodmer Papyrus II (John) 90 AD 150-200 AD 60-110 years
    Chester Beatty Papyri (N.T.) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Diatessaron by Tatian (Gospels) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Codex Vaticanus (Bible) 1st century 325-350 AD 275-300 years
    Codex Sinaiticus (Bible) 1st century 350 AD 300 years
    Codex Alexandrinus (Bible) 1st century 400 AD 350 years

    (Total New Testament manuscripts = 5,300 Greek MSS, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 9,300 others = 24,000 copies)
    (Total MSS compiled prior to 600 AD = 230)
    The secular manuscripts have a good standing.

    biblical manuscripts are proven to have lots of problem.

  3. #183
    Quote Originally Posted by tatakalz View Post
    Author Date Written Earliest Copy Time Span Copies (extent)

    Secular Manuscripts:
    Herodotus (History) 480 - 425 BC 900 AD 1,300 years 8
    Thucydides (History) 460 - 400 BC 900 AD 1,300 years ?
    Aristotle (Philosopher) 384 - 322 BC 1,100 AD 1,400 years 5
    Caesar (History) 100 - 44 BC 900 AD 1,000 years 10
    Pliny (History) 61 - 113 AD 850 AD 750 years 7
    Suetonius (Roman History) 70 - 140 AD 950 AD 800 years ?
    Tacitus (Greek History) 100 AD 1,100 AD 1,000 years 20

    Biblical Manuscripts: (note: these are individual manuscripts)
    Magdalene Ms (Matthew 26) 1st century 50-60 AD co-existant (?)
    John Rylands (John) 90 AD 130 AD 40 years
    Bodmer Papyrus II (John) 90 AD 150-200 AD 60-110 years
    Chester Beatty Papyri (N.T.) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Diatessaron by Tatian (Gospels) 1st century 200 AD 150 years
    Codex Vaticanus (Bible) 1st century 325-350 AD 275-300 years
    Codex Sinaiticus (Bible) 1st century 350 AD 300 years
    Codex Alexandrinus (Bible) 1st century 400 AD 350 years

    (Total New Testament manuscripts = 5,300 Greek MSS, 10,000 Latin Vulgates, 9,300 others = 24,000 copies)
    (Total MSS compiled prior to 600 AD = 230)
    mao ni cla mga reference sa bibliya? or bibliya na jud ni cla

  4. #184
    Quote Originally Posted by Malic View Post
    biblical manuscripts are proven to have lots of problem.
    oi. mao diay. daghana na diay problema ana.

  5. #185
    Quote Originally Posted by Acts23 View Post
    by the way Nasyo...its not the original bible as what your title suggest.
    then what is it?
    the oldest bible?

  6. #186
    it wasn't a bible yet. but separate books. it was only called a bible when the early church fathers started compiling them into a single volume. but before it was compiled, those books are supposed to be stand-alone manuscripts.

  7. #187
    sa akong na nadunggan ang original nga bible kay written in greek man....gi compile gikan sa random nga mga scriptures nga nka survive ug na kit.an.....nya dghan ug contradictions mao na nang gipang pun.an para dili halata......hehe

  8. #188
    @hell, naa ba ADD na mason? hehehe...

  9. #189
    The artical says the book was 1,480 pages and that only 800 pages still exist. The serviving pages contain around half of the Old Testament and Apocrypha (the Septuagint), the whole of the New Testament, and two early Christian texts not found in modern Bibles. Most of the first part of the manuscript (containing most of the so-called historical books, from Genesis to 1 Chronicles) is now missing and presumed to be lost.

    Also includes books which many Protestant Christian denominations place in the Apocrypha. The 2 Esdras, Tobit, Judith, 1 & 4 Maccabees, Wisdom and Sirach. The number of the books in the New Testament in Codex Sinaiticus is the same as that in modern Bibles in the West, but the order is different. The Letter to the Hebrews is placed after Paul's Second Letter to the Thessalonians, and the Acts of the Apostles between the Pastoral and Catholic Epistles.
    The two other early Christian texts are an Epistle by an unknown writer claiming to be the Apostle Barnabas, and 'The Shepherd', written by the early second-century Roman writer, Hermas.

    I hope someday the other 680 missing pages can be found. It would be nice to see the complete work compared to the whole text of the complete Codex Vaticanus which is held in the Vatican. It would be nice to see if anything was left out or added to the later written works of the Codex Vaticanus.

    What many do not realize is that books written at that time were a most expensive and time consuming endeavor. These pages were written on prepared animal skin, and were hand written. There was no printing press. and papyrus, parchment, or paper were expensive and often expensive and often rare to possess. This made them very expensive to produce, very expensive to duplicate, and they were also totally produced by hand. The expense to produce one book was well out of the reach for most to be able to produce. Some Kings could not afford to produce a book such as a bible. We take books for granted now, living in the age of the printing press.

    A Brief Introduction to the Canon and Ancient Versions of Scripture
    he Canon and Ancient Versions of Scripture
    Last edited by jamesmusslewhite; 12-14-2009 at 07:51 PM.

  10. #190
    so, when was the first bible published?

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