I don't see anything wrong about your post and yes LUCIFER is a symbol of LIGHT in Ancient Mythology before Chrisitanity was born and therefore, it is MORNING STAR like JESUS who is THE LIGHT who shines upon US! Our view of Luicfer has been corrupted by EVIL and SATANISM when in fact the original translation of LUCIFER is BRINGER of LIGHT!Originally Posted by Acts23
Jesus the CHRIST said, You are the salt of the world and the LIGHT OF THE WORLD! (That is Luciferic in SYMBOLISM but has nothing to do with evil and satanism literally speaking)
You might want to study this further so that you will be ENLIGHTENED by your incomplete research!
Theosophical Light on the Christian Bible
ByHenry T. Edge, M.A., D.LITT.[Originally published by Theosophical University Press, Covina, California, 1945]Contents
Part I
1. Man's Second Birth
2. The 'Father' and the 'Son'
3. The Bible as an Esoteric Book
4. 'Creation'
5. Redemption, Salvation, Atonement
6. Kingdom of Heaven
7. "The God Within"
8. Satan, the Adversary
9. The Flood Myth
10. The Golden Rule
11. The Lord's Supper
12. The Spirit of God Dwelleth in You
13. "In Christ Shall All Be Made Alive"
14. The Second Coming
15. The Old Testament
16. The 'Holy Ghost'
17. The Cross
18. Did Jesus Have an Esoteric School?
Have a HAPPY and ENLIGHTENING reading and GOD BLESS!!!
So, LET US STUDY THEOSOPHY with an OPEN MIND, HEART and SOUL!
GOD BLESS!
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Originally Posted by regnauld
I don't see anything wrong about your post and yes LUCIFER is a symbol of LIGHT in Ancient Mythology before Chrisitanity was born and therefore, it is MORNING STAR like JESUS who is THE LIGHT who shines upon US! Our view of Luicfer has been corrupted by EVIL and SATANISM when in fact the original translation of LUCIFER is BRINGER of LIGHT!
Jesus the CHRIST said, You are the salt of the world and the LIGHT OF THE WORLD! (That is Luciferic in SYMBOLISM but has nothing to do with evil and satanism literally speaking)
You might want to study this further so that you will be ENLIGHTENED by your incomplete research!
Theosophical Light on the Christian Bible
ByHenry T. Edge, M.A., D.LITT.[Originally published by Theosophical University Press, Covina, California, 1945]Contents
Part I
1. Man's Second Birth
2. The 'Father' and the 'Son'
3. The Bible as an Esoteric Book
4. 'Creation'
5. Redemption, Salvation, Atonement
6. Kingdom of Heaven
7. "The God Within"
8. Satan, the Adversary
9. The Flood Myth
10. The Golden Rule
11. The Lord's Supper
12. The Spirit of God Dwelleth in You
13. "In Christ Shall All Be Made Alive"
14. The Second Coming
15. The Old Testament
16. The 'Holy Ghost'
17. The Cross
18. Did Jesus Have an Esoteric School?
Have a HAPPY and ENLIGHTENING reading and GOD BLESS!!!
So, LET US STUDY THEOSOPHY with an OPEN MIND, HEART and SOUL!
GOD BLESS!
hahaha...there you go folks...directly from his own mouth...
There is nothing wrong with lucifer daw matud pa niya, hehehe.
From the Christian pov reg...Lucifer was indeed the bringer of light but that was before the fall.
After the fall he is called Satan. Read the bible reg ug ayaw palabi anang mugna mugna sa utok ni blavatsky kay delikado na.
See the problem here reg? Your madame contradicted a story written by a prophet, She quotes verses from the bible but when a verse contradicts her occultic pov iyang e reject, hehe, Selective siya reg noh? iya lang kuhaon kung unsay mohaom sa iyang gusto,sigew man gud to siya ug sopsop ug marijuana.
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07-07-2009, 08:15 AM #33Junior Member
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but reg...wala pa lagi ka nitubag sa akong mga questions nako.
like kinsa si Djwahl Kuhl? basin produkto ni siya sa pag sige ug suyop ni blavatsky ug marijuana?
then daghan pa to reg...like association ni Blavastky ni Crowley? ug katong about Morya?
nya naa lang pod koy idugang...
Si Hitler na initiate man to siya noh ni Blavatsky...kay sa inyong libro nga Secret Doctrine it mentioned in there nga ang humans are divided into sub races, so naay superior race naa pod inferiro race? diri sigruo na inspire si Hitler sa pagtukod sa Nazism. Aryan race supremacy?
question ra ni ako reg ha...
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The Lucifer story
Lucifer, another of Gustave Doré's illustrations for Paradise Lost by John Milton.
A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the morning star, was transferred to Satan already in the pre-Christian century, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch, where Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss.
Early Christian writers continued this identification of "Lucifer" with Satan. Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Revelation 12:7-10; cf. Luke 10:18).
The New Testament shows a high development of demonology. In consonance with the Gospels beliefs of the lower orders of society, the devil and his realm are regarded as an entire ubiquitousness in all the events of daily life. In accordance, he has many names: "Satan" (Matt. 4:10; Mark 1:30, 4:15; Luke 10:1, "devil" (Matt. 4:1), "adversary" (1. Peter 5:8, ἀντίδικος; 1. Tim. 5:14, ἀντικείμενος), "enemy" (Matt. 13:39), "accuser" (Rev. 12:10), "old serpent" (Rev. 20:2), "great dragon" (Rev. 12:9), Beelzebub (Matt. 10:25, 12:24), and Belial (comp. Samael). In Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2. Cor. 6:16, and Rev. 12:9 the fall of Satan is mentioned. The devil is regarded as the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2. Cor. 11:3; Ephes. 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2. Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9). Satan brought death itself into the world (Heb. 2:13), being ever the tempter (1. Cor. 7:5; 1. Thess. 3:5; 1. Peter 5:, even as he tempted Jesus (Matt. 4). The Christian demonology and belief in the devil dominated subsequent periods. However, though the New Testament includes the conception that Satan fell from heaven with the velocity of lightning (Luke x. 18; Rev. xii. 7-10), it nowhere applies the name Lucifer to him.
The Jewish Encyclopedia states that in the apocalyptic writings, the conception of fallen angels is widespread. Throughout antiquity stars were commonly regarded as living celestial beings (Job 38:7). Indications of this belief, behind which probably lies the symbolizing of an astronomical phenomenon, the shooting stars, are met with in Isaiah 14:12.
The Morning Star in Isaiah 14:12
The Book of Isaiah has the following passage:
When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?"
The passage expressly refers to a "king of Babylon", a "man" who seemed all-powerful, but who has been brought low. Isaiah promises that the Israelites will be freed and will then be able to use in a taunting song against their oppressor the image of the Morning Star, which rises at dawn as the brightest of the stars, outshining Jupiter and Saturn, but lasting only until the sun appears. This image was used in an old popular Canaanite story that the Morning Star tried to rise high above the clouds and establish himself on the mountain where the gods assembled, in the far north, but was cast down into the underworld.
The phrase "O Day Star, son of Dawn" in the New Revised Standard Version translation given above corresponds to the Hebrew phrase "הילל בן־שׁחר" (Helel Ben-Shachar) in verse 12, meaning "morning star, son of dawn". As the Latin poets personified the Morning Star and the Dawn (Aurora), as well as the Sun and the Moon and other heavenly bodies, so in Canaanite mythology Morning Star and Dawn were pictured as two deities, the former being the son of the latter.
In the Latin Vulgate, Jerome translated "הילל בן־שׁחר" (morning star, son of dawn) as "lucifer qui mane oriebaris" (morning star that used to rise early). Already, as early as the Christian writers Tertullian and Origen, the whole passage had come to be applied to Satan. Satan began to be referred to as "Lucifer" (Morning Star), and finally the word "Lucifer" was treated as a proper name. The use of the word "Lucifer" in the 1611 King James Version instead of a word such as "Daystar" ensured its continued popularity among English speakers.
Most modern English versions (including the NIV, NRSV, NASB, NJB and ESV) render the Hebrew word as "day star", "morning star" or something similar, and never as "Lucifer", a word that in English is now very rarely used in the sense of the original word in Hebrew (Morning Star), though in Latin "Lucifer" was a literal translation.
A passage quite similar to that in Isaiah is found in Ezekiel 28:1-19, which is expressly directed against the king of Tyre, a city on an island that had grown rich by trade, factors alluded to in the text. In Christian tradition, it too has been applied to Lucifer, because of some of the expressions contained in it. But, since it does not contain the image of the morning star, discussion of it belongs rather to the article on Satan than to that on Lucifer.
Lucifer (Le génie du mal) by Guillaume Geefs (Cathedral of St. Paul, Liège, Belgium)
The same holds for the Christian depiction of Satan in other books of the Old Testament as, for instance, in the Book of Job, where Satan, who has been wandering the earth, has a discussion with God and makes a deal with him to test Job.
The Tyndale Bible Dictionary states that there are many who believe the expression "Lucifer" and the surrounding context in Isaiah 14 refer to Satan: they believe the similarities among Isaiah 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Revelation 12:7-10 warrant this conclusion. But it points out that the context of the Isaiah passage is about the accomplished defeat of the king of Babylon, while the New Testament passages speak of Satan. Liberal Christian scholars often deny altogether the existence of a personal being called "Satan", rendering the Lucifer story irrelevant. They argue that the name Satan itself (Hebrew: שָׂטָן) merely means "adversary" or "accuser", which may be a personification.
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07-07-2009, 08:58 AM #35The name Lucifer is a symbol which comes from the word LUCES which means LIGHT and not literally true as a PERSON. THEOSOPHY does not believe and acknowledge in the existence of LUCIFER as EVIL and Satan. We don't believe in the existence of the devil as a person outside of us. Lucifer as evil is symbolic which could mean our LOWER SELF that is full of PRIDE and EGOISM but the other side of LUCIFER is LIGHT which is our HIGHGER SELF who is ONE with GOD! Originally Posted by Acts23
Are you aware that the concept of LUCIFER was already there before Christianity was born? There is nothing original in Christianity, so to speak!
Do you know that the BIBLE has FULL of SYMBOLISM? The Bible cannot be taken as literally true all the time for it is just a piece of literature created by man just like any other scriptures!
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07-07-2009, 09:00 AM #36Well that is just a story and therefore not literally true! Originally Posted by bluedes
The Lucifer story
Lucifer, another of Gustave Doré's illustrations for Paradise Lost by John Milton.
A pagan myth of the fall of angels, associated with the morning star, was transferred to Satan already in the pre-Christian century, as seen in the Life of Adam and Eve and the Second Book of Enoch, where Satan-Sataniel (sometimes identified with Samael) is described as having been one of the archangels. Because he contrived "to make his throne higher than the clouds over the earth and resemble 'My power' on high", Satan-Sataniel was hurled down, with his hosts of angels, and since then he has been flying in the air continually above the abyss.
Early Christian writers continued this identification of "Lucifer" with Satan. Tertullian ("Contra Marrionem," v. 11, 17), Origen ("Ezekiel Opera," iii. 356), and others, identify Lucifer with Satan, who also is represented as being "cast down from heaven" (Revelation 12:7-10; cf. Luke 10:18).
The New Testament shows a high development of demonology. In consonance with the Gospels beliefs of the lower orders of society, the devil and his realm are regarded as an entire ubiquitousness in all the events of daily life. In accordance, he has many names: "Satan" (Matt. 4:10; Mark 1:30, 4:15; Luke 10:1, "devil" (Matt. 4:1), "adversary" (1. Peter 5:8, ἀντίδικος; 1. Tim. 5:14, ἀντικείμενος), "enemy" (Matt. 13:39), "accuser" (Rev. 12:10), "old serpent" (Rev. 20:2), "great dragon" (Rev. 12:9), Beelzebub (Matt. 10:25, 12:24), and Belial (comp. Samael). In Luke 10:18, John 12:31, 2. Cor. 6:16, and Rev. 12:9 the fall of Satan is mentioned. The devil is regarded as the author of all evil (Luke 10:19; Acts 5:3; 2. Cor. 11:3; Ephes. 2:2), who beguiled Eve (2. Cor. 11:3; Rev. 12:9). Satan brought death itself into the world (Heb. 2:13), being ever the tempter (1. Cor. 7:5; 1. Thess. 3:5; 1. Peter 5:, even as he tempted Jesus (Matt. 4). The Christian demonology and belief in the devil dominated subsequent periods. However, though the New Testament includes the conception that Satan fell from heaven with the velocity of lightning (Luke x. 18; Rev. xii. 7-10), it nowhere applies the name Lucifer to him.
The Jewish Encyclopedia states that in the apocalyptic writings, the conception of fallen angels is widespread. Throughout antiquity stars were commonly regarded as living celestial beings (Job 38:7). Indications of this belief, behind which probably lies the symbolizing of an astronomical phenomenon, the shooting stars, are met with in Isaiah 14:12.
The Morning Star in Isaiah 14:12
The Book of Isaiah has the following passage:
When the Lord has given you rest from your pain and turmoil and the hard service with which you were made to serve, you will take up this taunt against the king of Babylon: How the oppressor has ceased! How his insolence has ceased! … How you are fallen from heaven, O Day Star, son of Dawn! How you are cut down to the ground, you who laid the nations low! You said in your heart, "I will ascend to heaven; I will raise my throne above the stars of God; I will sit on the mount of assembly on the heights of Zaphon; I will ascend to the tops of the clouds, I will make myself like the Most High." But you are brought down to Sheol, to the depths of the Pit. Those who see you will stare at you, and ponder over you: "Is this the man who made the earth tremble, who shook kingdoms, who made the world like a desert and overthrew its cities, who would not let his prisoners go home?"
The passage expressly refers to a "king of Babylon", a "man" who seemed all-powerful, but who has been brought low. Isaiah promises that the Israelites will be freed and will then be able to use in a taunting song against their oppressor the image of the Morning Star, which rises at dawn as the brightest of the stars, outshining Jupiter and Saturn, but lasting only until the sun appears. This image was used in an old popular Canaanite story that the Morning Star tried to rise high above the clouds and establish himself on the mountain where the gods assembled, in the far north, but was cast down into the underworld. The phrase "O Day Star, son of Dawn" in the New Revised Standard Version translation given above corresponds to the Hebrew phrase "הילל בן־שׁחר" (Helel Ben-Shachar) in verse 12, meaning "morning star, son of dawn". As the Latin poets personified the Morning Star and the Dawn (Aurora), as well as the Sun and the Moon and other heavenly bodies, so in Canaanite mythology Morning Star and Dawn were pictured as two deities, the former being the son of the latter.
In the Latin Vulgate, Jerome translated "הילל בן־שׁחר" (morning star, son of dawn) as "lucifer qui mane oriebaris" (morning star that used to rise early). Already, as early as the Christian writers Tertullian and Origen, the whole passage had come to be applied to Satan. Satan began to be referred to as "Lucifer" (Morning Star), and finally the word "Lucifer" was treated as a proper name. The use of the word "Lucifer" in the 1611 King James Version instead of a word such as "Daystar" ensured its continued popularity among English speakers.
Most modern English versions (including the NIV, NRSV, NASB, NJB and ESV) render the Hebrew word as "day star", "morning star" or something similar, and never as "Lucifer", a word that in English is now very rarely used in the sense of the original word in Hebrew (Morning Star), though in Latin "Lucifer" was a literal translation.
A passage quite similar to that in Isaiah is found in Ezekiel 28:1-19, which is expressly directed against the king of Tyre, a city on an island that had grown rich by trade, factors alluded to in the text. In Christian tradition, it too has been applied to Lucifer, because of some of the expressions contained in it. But, since it does not contain the image of the morning star, discussion of it belongs rather to the article on Satan than to that on Lucifer.
Lucifer (Le génie du mal) by Guillaume Geefs (Cathedral of St. Paul, Liège, Belgium)
The same holds for the Christian depiction of Satan in other books of the Old Testament as, for instance, in the Book of Job, where Satan, who has been wandering the earth, has a discussion with God and makes a deal with him to test Job.
The Tyndale Bible Dictionary states that there are many who believe the expression "Lucifer" and the surrounding context in Isaiah 14 refer to Satan: they believe the similarities among Isaiah 14:12, Luke 10:18, and Revelation 12:7-10 warrant this conclusion. But it points out that the context of the Isaiah passage is about the accomplished defeat of the king of Babylon, while the New Testament passages speak of Satan. Liberal Christian scholars often deny altogether the existence of a personal being called "Satan", rendering the Lucifer story irrelevant. They argue that the name Satan itself (Hebrew: שָׂטָן) merely means "adversary" or "accuser", which may be a personification.
Lucifer is a Latin word derived from two words, lux (light) and fero (to bear–to bring), meaning light-bearer, light-bringer. In Roman mythology, Lucifer was a deity equivalent to the Greek Heosphorus, and the planet Venus was known by the name Lucifer in Roman astrology before being given its current name. In Christianity, Lucifer has become synonymous with Satan or the Devil, despite the original Judaic mythology considering Lucifer and Satan to be two quite separate entities.
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Originally Posted by regnauld
The name Lucifer is a symbol which comes from the word LUCES which means LIGHT and not literally true as a PERSON. THEOSOPHY does not believe and acknowledge in the existence of LUCIFER as EVIL and Satan. We don't believe in the existence of the devil as a person outside of us. Lucifer as evil is symbolic which could mean our LOWER SELF that is full of PRIDE and EGOISM but the other side of LUCIFER is LIGHT which is our HIGHGER SELF who is ONE with GOD!
Are you aware that the concept of LUCIFER was already there before Christianity was born? There is nothing original in Christianity, so to speak!
Do you know that the BIBLE has FULL of SYMBOLISM? The Bible cannot be taken as literally true all the time for it is just a piece of literature created by man just like any other scriptures!
There is nothing original in Christianity? Well maybe because it is a continuation of a religion founded by God himself from the time of Adam and Eve.
But siguro na blinded lang ka, of course naa oi...
Naay mga symbolism naa pod dili. Yes it is a literature created by man AND inspired by God dili marijuana.
So asa may correct ani karon? kining explanation ni Blue or kining imo?
hala ka reg so kini diay si Lucifer mao ni atong higher self? hahahahahahahahaha...asa na pod ka kuha ani reg? kang blavatsky nga sige ug suyop ug marijuana?
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07-07-2009, 09:19 AM #38Junior Member
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tan-awa reg...
mo quote mo ug story about Satan and Lucifer where they are being portrayed as person/entity but ang imo tinood nga stand is dili ni person si Lucifer but your higher Self. Di ba libog imo position?
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Originally Posted by Acts23
There is nothing original in Christianity? Well maybe because it is a continuation of a religion founded by God himself from the time of Adam and Eve.
But siguro na blinded lang ka, of course naa oi...
Naay mga symbolism naa pod dili. Yes it is a literature created by man AND inspired by God dili marijuana.
So asa may correct ani karon? kining explanation ni Blue or kining imo?
hala ka reg so kini diay si Lucifer mao ni atong higher self? hahahahahahahahaha...asa na pod ka kuha ani reg? kang blavatsky nga sige ug suyop ug marijuana?
brad, that is not my explanation. That is from WIkipedia..
Lucifer is a very old story, recycled and repackaged many times. If you want to believe one version, go ahead, nobody is stopping you. But please remember that is only one version..
Marijuana is not used by the TS. But maybe you use it because you mention it many times.. do you use it often brad? It is a mind-altering substance that induces a lot of hallucinations and illusions. Please do not use Marijuana too much because it will damage your brain and you will not be able to function properly as an agent of Christ anymore..
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it is the same with Malakas and Maganda.. or how about Greek/Roman mythology. THeyare stories about persons or entities, but they are not real persons, they are representations of parts of our own selves, like our strength and bravery, our capacity to lie and deceive, our kindness and generosity.. our sacrifices and passions.. Originally Posted by Acts23
the important thing is you learn the moral of the story and not get attached to the individual characters in the story. Its good if you are a fan, but be a good fan.. not a fanatic!
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