If there is no God, Who Governs Right or Wrong?

[bluedes]

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woa its a very difficult question you ask there trip... language is a medium we can understand, ESP (extra sensory perception) is suspected to be one but not christians, body languange... all of these things are have one purpose. They send message so we can "UNDERSTAND".

In my case trip I use my heart to listen not my ears. Like for example do you know what is "regrets"? well something deep inside you is telling you YOU SHOULD have done this and that... but its no vocal language or body language or ESP...its about you talking to yourself... if you dont have this then there is nothing more to explain...

About the word Kill the number you counted does not mean anything. the word kills does not apply a commandment to do it. The word KILL appears in the ten commandment "thou shall not kill". so it does not mean go and kill.

Trip what you are trying to do is to think like God at your level.

what about your head brad kebz? do you not use your head also? heart ra jud?

[Kenshiro]

Aha! so, killing is just a metaphor... am I right? If God has the right, then he agrees that killing is justified, correct? What I mean is, if He has the right... then, the commandment should give specific meaning of killing. Because we all do that part... we all eat meat! And meat comes from a living, breathing thing... I suppose that's not qualified as killing, correct? So, what then is "thou shall not kill" means?

To tell you the truth being a vegetarian is not a bad thing don't you?
Killing humans is what is meant in the Bible. I think you don't understand this.
Let me explain again....
Does it have any difference in killing animals and humans? Humans are superior to animals and has superior Intelect. Humans are sacred unless you consider yourself as an animal. In this case many people are like animals in their thinking.

What if in your case we kill humans for food. We could become cannibals. What would it do to the Human race? it would create total destruction of the human race.
So if this is the case being a vegetarian wouldn't do anyone harm. The Bibles original diet for human is fruits, vegetables, nuts and grains.
May I add that in the Bible it does have a "commandment" on what to eat and not eat.

My question in the Bible say "thou shall not Kill" - does it mean human or animals if you consider in the Bible the commandment on what to eat or not to eat. I know there is a verse in the Bible about it.

Actually no, I don't get it. Can you explain the concept of killing in your own interpretations

Event and doing it is Different. Remember Everything you see in TV it doesn't mean you should do it right? This is what is shown in the Bible an "Event"
Still you can't understand simple things like a 3 year old can.

Heres the metaphor (concerning the difference between an event and commanment for your sake)
Don't do anything what you see in TV. Follow the law.
You can understand the differences between Law and event right?
Event and Law does it makes a difference with you? If not then you must be dellusioned in following the Event as the Law.
Maybe looking at an event makes you believe that you should do it. Well these are what our society are based ion I don't blame you these days. Events are confused with Law.
Let me use equation
Bible events not equal with Bible commands.

Ok, so christians don't kill - is this a generalization of agreement or taken from what moral obligation is supposed to be? BTW, would you stop law enforcers from shooting another human being because "killing" is against the 6th commandment?

Again this is an "event". It does not mean you should kill though. You have to uphold the Law. That is why the 6th commandment applies to each and everyone of us. Not only to the Police but the criminals as well.

Let me ask you this What is more important preventing criminals in doing these criminal acts or killing these criminal people? As what you stated the Police must do.
Is killing the only option to prevent criminals in the society?
You have two options:
1. Your concept as killing as self based moral obligation or (cure)(Police Killing criminals)
2. a law in the Bible(Preventive)

To ellaborate these two options:

the 1st option indicates that its a cure lets say it has no considerations of the Bible at all so without it we can kill until we noticed that it is wrong. This might be a delusionary concept since it would destroy the society by an increase of killing of the members of the society before we know it we are full of murderers, child rapist and thieves. SInce they are still in their realization stage anyway.
quoting your post:

Ethnic cleansing. That's between their beliefs... but if we view it, it's wrong. But who would tell them that is wrong where the fight is internal not global?

What could have happened if these nations adopt the ten commandments?

2nd option would be preventive option. Since before a criminal can do criminal acts he is told how bad it is. and ultimately leads to his/her destruction. with this option its more democratic and would ultimately elimanate killing.
Can you even grasp the wisdom of the 6th commandment on how it can benefit the society?

Which would you prefer prevention or cure?
Again two concepts
1. Police enforcers killing people no moral boundaries of right and wrong killing is permitted
2. Christians spreading the ten commandments gospel to each people to prevent killing

What if the society would accept the ten commandments? It would be far more peaceful.

Ah well with your complex minds I would know you will find a reason to kill people reasonably.

In some cases just to explain the police scenario its basically a concept of self defense or killing for aggression.
that is not the ultimate basis though that is why we have courts to determine what is the basis for killing wether it be self defense or aggression.

Self righteous concept with out moral boundary like what tripwire suggested
and careful court findings, investigation are different.
But the 6th commandment has more influence in the latter since court proceedings also accepts the concept that murder is punishable by law.

So choose prevent killing or killing because its what you think its right. Well the German during WW2 thought they were correct in killing the Jews. So does it mean they are correct? Did the Germans did it for self defense or aggression?

[SioDenz]

Aha! so, killing is just a metaphor... am I right? If God has the right, then he agrees that killing is justified, correct? What I mean is, if He has the right... then, the commandment should give specific meaning of killing. Because we all do that part... we all eat meat! And meat comes from a living, breathing thing... I suppose that's not qualified as killing, correct? So, what then is "thou shall not kill" means?

Question: if ikaw naay ka maid sa inyu balay, nya hatagan nimu rules imu maid nga "Ayaw cge telebabad, ayaw cge tan aw TV kay naay trabahuon, ayaw cge laag nya uli ug gabii nah." - does this mean nga ikaw amo covered sad ka sa imu gihimu nga Rule?

i think same ra ni sa rule nga di tah pwedi mu patay but God can, i dont think he is also covered with these laws...

[tarpolano]

Question: if ikaw naay ka maid sa inyu balay, nya hatagan nimu rules imu maid nga "Ayaw cge telebabad, ayaw cge tan aw TV kay naay trabahuon, ayaw cge laag nya uli ug gabii nah." - does this mean nga ikaw amo covered sad ka sa imu gihimu nga Rule?

i think same ra ni sa rule nga di tah pwedi mu patay but God can, i dont think he is also covered with these laws...

murag mag lisod ko ana og sabot da. kay ikaw ako amo nya naay kay katungod mopatay nako kay tungod lang nitan-aw ko og tv, nagtelebabad o naglaag2x, aw di na lang ko magpa-amo nimo oi. ngano gud

[bluedes]

Question: if ikaw naay ka maid sa inyu balay, nya hatagan nimu rules imu maid nga "Ayaw cge telebabad, ayaw cge tan aw TV kay naay trabahuon, ayaw cge laag nya uli ug gabii nah." - does this mean nga ikaw amo covered sad ka sa imu gihimu nga Rule?

i think same ra ni sa rule nga di tah pwedi mu patay but God can, i dont think he is also covered with these laws...

brad, huna2x-a pud.. you think ang amo na dili mu-follow sa iyang rules, musunod ang maid?

kung kita ka ug amo na magsige ug telebabad, mag-tan-aw TV maski naay trabahuon, unya sige ug laag ug uli gabii.. u think ang maid mutuman sa balaod sa amo? magkawat2x pud na ug binuang ang maid oi.. sir man gani mao iyang binuhatan..

kasulay na ka ug bantay mga maid brad or manage ug mga tawo? murag imong example kay timu2x ra sa imong paghuna2x..

[munzter666]

Bible events not equal with Bible commands.

what about bible events after receiving bible commands/commandments?

didn't stop moses and his ilk from raping, plunder, and genocides either.

[munzter666]

Question: if ikaw naay ka maid sa inyu balay, nya hatagan nimu rules imu maid nga "Ayaw cge telebabad, ayaw cge tan aw TV kay naay trabahuon, ayaw cge laag nya uli ug gabii nah." - does this mean nga ikaw amo covered sad ka sa imu gihimu nga Rule?

i think same ra ni sa rule nga di tah pwedi mu patay but God can, i dont think he is also covered with these laws...

unya kamangon ang maid, dayun basulon ang holy speret. its a meracle. jowk

[Ramini]

rules to keep the maid around the house....hahaha!!! btaw i do agree with leading by example..

[bluedes]

unya kamangon ang maid, dayun basulon ang holy speret. its a meracle. jowk

nice one!

[Kenshiro]

what about bible events after receiving bible commands/commandments?

didn't stop moses and his ilk from raping, plunder, and genocides either.

Can you specify what verse that is?
It Could be an illustrative verse to what happens when you do it.

murag mag lisod ko ana og sabot da. kay ikaw ako amo nya naay kay katungod mopatay nako kay tungod lang nitan-aw ko og tv, nagtelebabad o naglaag2x, aw di na lang ko magpa-amo nimo oi. ngano gud

Very simple but direct to the point.
kung ang maid dili pwede mag telebabad it doesn't mean the owner should follow this specific rule as well.

Also one illustration - If you create a very sophisticated robot. Do you have the right to destroy it? Yes. Why? because you own it.
Do we own other peoples lives? no.