MERGED: All About RP-US Mutual Defense Treaty/ VFA-MLSA and Related Issues

[diehard96]

Some squads of the US 101st AB we're issued HK416's in Iraq.



Paratroopers aren't usually classified as "spec ops", thus the apparent "exclusivity" of the the HK416 is probably hyped.

-RODION

mejo OT na jud ni, pero cge lang.

hk416 is too expensive to be issued to everyone, more expensive than the colt m4. so we can understand why the US gov't won't give it to just anyone. and that's also the reason why we can only dream that the afp will start using it anytime soon.

kutob lang jud tas damgo ani...

[Malic]

nice weapon.

[Tarmac]

murag lalisonon pa man ni ang topic... naa na diay intervention ang US military dinhi sa ato (ayaw nalang pud tong history na ha)? Can we site those specific instances if there's any? We have to be specific coz there may be cases that foreign military interventions are helpful or on the negative side, harmful to us Filipinos..

This thread is mis-titled. It should really be "military presence" not "military intervention." Unless there's something going on in Mindanao we're not privy to.

[rodsky]

mejo OT na jud ni, pero cge lang.

hk416 is too expensive to be issued to everyone, more expensive than the colt m4. so we can understand why the US gov't won't give it to just anyone. and that's also the reason why we can only dream that the afp will start using it anytime soon.

kutob lang jud tas damgo ani...

I don't think the choice of sticking with the M4 is a cost issue. It's more of a political issue. HK is a German brand, Colt is American. 20 years ago, HK already proposed a replacement for the US M16A2, the HK G41...it uses the SAME magazines as the M16/M4, and was better than the M16 in many aspects. But back then, HK didn't even have their Virginia Plant yet, and thus HK was really seen as an "outsider" and was seen as having no "K" in peddling their arms to the US Armed Forces.

In other ways, the decision making dilemma is parallel to the Dragon armor vs. Interceptor armor issue.

-RODION

[Tarmac]

I don't think the choice of sticking with the M4 is a cost issue. It's more of a political issue. HK is a German brand, Colt is American. 20 years ago, HK already proposed a replacement for the US M16A2, the HK G41...it uses the SAME magazines as the M16/M4, and was better than the M16 in many aspects. But back then, HK didn't even have their Virginia Plant yet, and thus HK was really seen as an "outsider" and was seen as having no "K" in peddling their arms to the US Armed Forces.

In other ways, the decision making dilemma is parallel to the Dragon armor vs. Interceptor armor issue.

-RODION

The "416" designation is supposedly an amalgamation of the numbers M4 and M16.

With sufficient experience in Iraq and Afghanistan, could the US now be looking at replacing the M4 in the near future?

[giddyboy]

This thread is mis-titled. It should really be "military presence" not "military intervention." Unless there's something going on in Mindanao we're not privy to.

i think so too. it's presumptuous. just like any other thread titles in this forum...

@rodsky: wow, nice pics u got there!

[batigol192002]

k ra man kay morag mag inutil atong military. ang vietnam ra ba kay mopalit ug 6 ka submarines sa russia, worth $1.8 billion, usa baya na cla sa nag claim sa spratly.

[Tarmac]

Here's something worth reading for those interested in what's happening down South, i.e. Basilan, Jolo, Sulu...

It's a blog by Michael Yon, a veteran reporter who has covered conflict zones like Iraq and Afghanistan. He calls the situation in Jolo "The nicest war I've been to."

Yon is also a former Green Beret and is known for his unabashed conservative (i.e. pro-US, pro-soldier) stance on war reporting. He was once embedded with a US Army unit in Mosul, Iraq that found itself embroiled in an alley fight. He grabbed a soldier's rifle and fired back.

Nonetheless, his blog makes good reading. And he's a darned good writer.

Michael Yon - Online Magazine

[Hellblazer 2.1]

american military intervention? when was the last time they haven't intervened? lakas kaayo na silag s3x appeal, kanang ma apil-apilon ba.

[butitoy]

because our governement is just moneyrably weakling. we should be thankful these Spec-Ops team are present side by side with our local spec-ops..

we feel more secure of their presence than the empty lies and promises of our government..


and yeah war is business..


luoya sa mga sibilyan ug mga sundalo