Hell is a myth

[josephdc]

Actions are separate from our ESSENCE. It just like saying "Hate the SIN but not the SINNER" Why? Because our actions are not out real identity! They are just fruits of our choices but not WHO WE REALLY ARE. WHO WE ARE is much more profound, WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS capable of realizing our DIVINITY like Jesus The Christ!

What we do bro defines who we are. When we commit sins, we become sinners. See? Our sins define us as sinners.

Our identity still remain -- we're still beings endowed with reason, self-awareness, creativity, conscience -- but we also become the persons we choose to become, we become the products of our decisions.

There is no such thing as good or bad in Spirituality. There is only what works and what doesn't work. I will give you an example. For you as Catholic you consider SUICIDE as bad and mortal sin but for others it is not. When you go to Japan, Suicide for most of these people are considered honorable for them and to their religion! See? That is relative!

Didn't you acknowledge that objective moral values exist?

[josephdc]

I do believe in NDE! There is no HELL mentioned there as eternal but only temporal which they had experienced as a result of their actions!

There are accounts of NDEs where people actually claimed that they went to hell. For example, the story of Howard Storm. He was an art professor in the States and during a tour in France with his wife and students he suddenly had an attack of an acute disease. He was hospitalized and then he experienced "seeing his own body" in the hospital bed beside his wife. He was confused because he didn't believe in an afterlife (He was an atheist). Then he heard voices calling out to him and he followed them until he came to an utterly dark "place" where he was savagely attacked by people whom he didn't know. This mob bit at him, made all sorts of insults and threats against him, and attempted to tear him into pieces.

He of course survived and is now a pastor.

[josephdc]

Yes that is HELL for sure and it is only temporary and it doesn't last forever. I can still LOVE and be LOVED! GOD is forever in the soul for GOD created the soul in his image and likeness and no one, no one can separate GOD from that even the greatest of SIN!

Hitler went to heaven - Conversations With God book 1

Jesus has conquered the power of sin with his death and resurrection, so all we need to do is to repent of our sins and obey his commandments.

Sin can never separate us from God, but only in so far as we ourselves choose not to be separated from him by choosing him over sin.

Do you think Hitler was not a sinner? Do you think that he won't be made accountable for his crimes? God is love, but he is also just.

[josephdc]

Yes WE ARE ALL SPIRITUAL BEINGS my friend! Jesus The Christ was much ahead of us in terms of consciousness like Gautama Buddha and we can be like them if we truly WAKE UP from our deep sleep as Jesus The Christ said, "YOU ARE THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD!"

There is a world of difference between us and Jesus, and it is simply because he is God and we are not. He is the creator and we are his creatures. But we do have a calling to be holy and divine, we do have a calling to be saints.

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There is a world of difference between us and Jesus, and it is simply because he is God and we are not. He is the creator and we are his creatures. But we do have a calling to be holy and divine, we do have a calling to be saints.

yeah! gerat replies @josephdc...

Jesus The Christ was much ahead of us in terms of consciousness

much ahead? he is our God...and we are just His creatures...as said by josephdc...

if we said "much ahead of us"..its much like being the serpent who tempted Eve...
the serpent longs to be a god too....whew! crazy...

[regnauld]

What we do bro defines who we are. When we commit sins, we become sinners. See? Our sins define us as sinners.

Our identity still remain -- we're still beings endowed with reason, self-awareness, creativity, conscience -- but we also become the persons we choose to become, we become the products of our decisions.



Didn't you acknowledge that objective moral values exist?

No I beg to disagree. We are not our works and actions. Our REAL IDENTITY is always separate from our ACTIONS. If I kill someone, it doesn't mean I become a killer or a criminal for life. It is only the effect of my actions but not my real identity. I am not a criminal for life or I am not a criminal when I was born or before and after I committed the action. My REAL IDENTITY IS ME ever before I was born and will ever die. Our real NATURE is this regardless of our actions good or bad: WE ARE SPIRITUAL BEINGS HAVING A HUMAN EXPERIENCE!

Yes but ABSOLUTE MORAL VALUES such as GOOD or BAD do not exist! There is no such thing as ABSOULTE GOOD or BAD in this world. Everything is relative in our world!

[regnauld]

There is a world of difference between us and Jesus, and it is simply because he is God and we are not. He is the creator and we are his creatures. But we do have a calling to be holy and divine, we do have a calling to be saints.

And what did Jesus mean whe he said "YOU ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH AND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD?".

[regnauld]

There are accounts of NDEs where people actually claimed that they went to hell. For example, the story of Howard Storm. He was an art professor in the States and during a tour in France with his wife and students he suddenly had an attack of an acute disease. He was hospitalized and then he experienced "seeing his own body" in the hospital bed beside his wife. He was confused because he didn't believe in an afterlife (He was an atheist). Then he heard voices calling out to him and he followed them until he came to an utterly dark "place" where he was savagely attacked by people whom he didn't know. This mob bit at him, made all sorts of insults and threats against him, and attempted to tear him into pieces.

He of course survived and is now a pastor.

Well, it was only temprorary that he experienced hell because if he went to hell as eternal then he would never have returned in the first place, right? That is common sense my friend!

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And what did Jesus mean whe he said "YOU ARE THE SALT OF THE EARTH AND THE LIGHT OF THE WORLD?".

it means...we will give light to the world...those who were not reached...evangelization at stake...

[mindless]

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