SOME PEOPLE belive in GOD but not in RELIGION...

[bluedes]

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Add ko ha just for thoughts.

Istoryans Please Read: This Answers a lot of Questions.

Thus, a person in the jungles of South America, for example, who has never heard of Christ may be able to find salvation. God will judge them according to the intent of that person's heart to seek God and to know Him as best as he can. Such people are NOT saved by their tribal religion, they are saved only through Christ, but Christ, as a loving Savior, recognizes that such people never had the opportunity to accept or reject Him and thus he judges them according to what they do know, and according to what all men know that has been written on their heart by God.

Also, other people who have diminished capacity through no fault of their own and therefore cannot make a free will decision, such as the insane, brain damaged, or some other factor that impairs their judgment, will be judged by God in similar manner as He does the person in a tribe in South America.

Bottomline is that no one goes to hell by mistake, no one trips into hell, and no one goes to hell without a conscious and deliberate free will decision to reject God.

God judges all of us according to what we understand, or should understand, and holds us accountable to that understanding.

Thus even a Hindu can be saved because he is not aware of the message of Christ. If a Hindu is saved he is not saved by Hinduism but because God saw in him a sincere desire to reach God as best as it understood how to do it.

When God saves a person like that, that person is STILL saved through Christ and His Church. We do not know exactly how He does that, but we know that He does it.

source: Catholics: catholic view of afterlife, judgment seat, offshoot groups

I agree on this.

so if this is the case, that God saves "implicitly" or "behind the scenes" whether you're hindu, islam, jew, buddhist, etc.. what's the point? might as well put up Catholic as "whether you like it or not, you will be saved..."

[handsoff241]

You were given a proper case, please consider reading again.

[istorya.nelle]

Yup for me just believe in God and we are all be save no matter what religion are you in as long as you have faith to HIM....

[bluedes]

You were given a proper case, please consider reading again.

precisely why i asked.. if you don't have an answer, then just say you don't have an answer..
otherwise, point out which part should one read again..

[Hellblazer 2.1]

maybe what's he's trying to say, mr.j, is that, just be a good catholic and stop asking questions. ('c',)

[handsoff241]

WRONG! it's not.

next!

[kebot]

so if this is the case, that God saves "implicitly" or "behind the scenes" whether you're hindu, islam, jew, buddhist, etc.. what's the point? might as well put up Catholic as "whether you like it or not, you will be saved..."

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Sorry if i haven't explained. If you allow me.

Those people never had the opportunity to accept or reject Him and thus he judges them according to what they do know, and according to what all men know that has been written on their heart by God.

as for us we will be judged according to Gods Standard. I'm sure you heard of Jesus Christ right. SO do you accept him as your Lord and Saviour? Now we are now reminded that once in our life we have made a choice 'to accept or reject'.

In General there is no religion that will save you. Correct? Right? Because even those who didnt know Christ will enter heaven and they are judged by their hearts. Well unfortunately for us this does not apply why because we already made the choice. 'ACCEPT or REJECT'. So it is up to you and your own your own.

As for the people who think Believing is enough. Think again. Even if you do good. Here's what the Bible Said:


I URGE YOU GUYS TO READ THIS:

Are we saved by grace or works?
Ephesians 2:8, 9; Romans 3:20, 28; Galatians 2:16 and James 2:24; Matthew 19:16-21

1. Saved by grace
1. (Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
2. (Rom. 3:20, 2 - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
3. (Galatians 2:16) - "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
2. Saved by works
1. (James 2:24) - "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
2. (Matthew 19:16-17) - "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS...
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Give you another situation that you might think you can still do it in the Last Minute. <Don't wait. Act now.>

In a deathbed with yourself a few moments to death. You ask God for forgiveness. Does it justify you to go to Heaven? Well Barnabas? did it. Great! maybe we can do it too...

Reasons why we cant: (Matthew 7:21-23)

Bible says:
Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"

1. Personally if you live in wickedness your heart is hardened already that you cannot identify God, you cannot have the conviction that you believe in him. You are asking for forgiveness thinking that it might save you the last moment. Well who knows its only God that judges not anyone of us.

My point is: Living with God assure you that God knows you. I don't care how you do it because it is also my personal battle that for is one of the hardest to attain because of the things of the World. Don't ask me how... coz I am far from righteousness at human standard.

THis is just for thoughts guys. I don't mean to offend you or your ways.

Peace


23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

[regnauld]

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Sorry if i haven't explained. If you allow me.

Those people never had the opportunity to accept or reject Him and thus he judges them according to what they do know, and according to what all men know that has been written on their heart by God.

as for us we will be judged according to Gods Standard. I'm sure you heard of Jesus Christ right. SO do you accept him as your Lord and Saviour? Now we are now reminded that once in our life we have made a choice 'to accept or reject'.

In General there is no religion that will save you. Correct? Right? Because even those who didnt know Christ will enter heaven and they are judged by their hearts. Well unfortunately for us this does not apply why because we already made the choice. 'ACCEPT or REJECT'. So it is up to you and your own your own.

As for the people who think Believing is enough. Think again. Even if you do good. Here's what the Bible Said:


I URGE YOU GUYS TO READ THIS:

Are we saved by grace or works?
Ephesians 2:8, 9; Romans 3:20, 28; Galatians 2:16 and James 2:24; Matthew 19:16-21

1. Saved by grace
1. (Ephesians 2:8-9) - "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; 9not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
2. (Rom. 3:20, 2 - "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...28For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
3. (Galatians 2:16) - "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
2. Saved by works
1. (James 2:24) - "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
2. (Matthew 19:16-17) - "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

KEEP THE COMMANDMENTS...
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Give you another situation that you might think you can still do it in the Last Minute. <Don't wait. Act now.>

In a deathbed with yourself a few moments to death. You ask God for forgiveness. Does it justify you to go to Heaven? Well Barnabas? did it. Great! maybe we can do it too...

Reasons why we cant: (Matthew 7:21-23)

Bible says:
Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord," shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven.
22 Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?"

1. Personally if you live in wickedness your heart is hardened already that you cannot identify God, you cannot have the conviction that you believe in him. You are asking for forgiveness thinking that it might save you the last moment. Well who knows its only God that judges not anyone of us.

My point is: Living with God assure you that God knows you. I don't care how you do it because it is also my personal battle that for is one of the hardest to attain because of the things of the World. Don't ask me how... coz I am far from righteousness at human standard.

THis is just for thoughts guys. I don't mean to offend you or your ways.

Peace


23 And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness."

Bro you are only quoting one source which is not even the ONLY SOURCE OF TRUTH! You forgot the other sacred scriptures such as The DHAMMAPADA where Gautama Buddha said that YOU CAN ONLY BE SAVED WHEN YOU DETACH YOURSELF from your DESIRES because ATTACHMENT IS THE ROOT CAUSE of SUFFERING and the UPANISHADS and the VEDAS which are the sacred books of Hinduism says that THE ROOT CAUSE OF SUFFERING IS IGNORANCE! Now, it doesn't speak about salvation in the literal sense to be done by Jesus The Christ because the message there was clearly your own salvation! You can only be saved through ENLIGHTENMENT as Buddha and other masters achieved and realized this GREAT TRUTH - that YOU ALONE IS RESPONSIBLE FOR YOUR OWN SALVATION AND NO ONE ELSE!

[bluedes]

Sorry if i haven't explained. If you allow me.

Those people never had the opportunity to accept or reject Him and thus he judges them according to what they do know, and according to what all men know that has been written on their heart by God.

as for us we will be judged according to Gods Standard. I'm sure you heard of Jesus Christ right. SO do you accept him as your Lord and Saviour? Now we are now reminded that once in our life we have made a choice 'to accept or reject'.

In General there is no religion that will save you. Correct? Right? Because even those who didnt know Christ will enter heaven and they are judged by their hearts. Well unfortunately for us this does not apply why because we already made the choice. 'ACCEPT or REJECT'. So it is up to you and your own your own.

that's okay.. no rush in explaining required.. thanks for responding..

here's my response also:

so, for those who have "known" of Jesus Christ, they are given an ultimatum then to ACCEPT or REJECT? what does this "know" Jesus Christ entail? and what do you mean by ACCEPT or REJECT?
accept him as your Lord and Savior? please do explain.. or should that be taken literally as it is..

[kebot]

that's okay.. no rush in explaining required.. thanks for responding..

here's my response also:

so, for those who have "known" of Jesus Christ, they are given an ultimatum then to ACCEPT or REJECT? what does this "know" Jesus Christ entail? and what do you mean by ACCEPT or REJECT?
accept him as your Lord and Savior? please do explain.. or should that be taken literally as it is..

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Yea it is an Ultimatum.

Jesus Came to Save the Lost! - Luke 19:10

1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 (NIV) for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night
He will come to Judge.

Take it as Literal Bro. Its up to you if you ACCEPT CHRIST OR REJECT CHRIST.