WLC Challenge To all the religious leaders, theologians, and Bible students

[brownprose]

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thats my point, is the forefront of biblical studies still dependent on Romantic Hermeneutics (schleiermacher) which was the very first tool used in art of interpretation? the oldest one might say.

Nope.

I would not also say it is the oldest. At the time of the "early church," Ignatius of Antioch, Clement and Augustine of Hippo were among the first Christian apologists who clarified and amplified many of the teachings of the Apostles. The Four Rs, said to be the pillars of Jewish Hermeneutics likewise predate Schleiermacher -- Rashi, Radak, Ramban, and Ralbag.

The Schleiermacher approach is a common method used by orthodox Protestants although not necessarily fundamentalists. The Catholic Church differs in that it is mostly patristic and relies largely on traditions (teachings of the church fathers) although many of the principles employed by the Catholic Church are relatively the same as that of Schleiermacher's.

More modern Hermeneutics have been propounded to offer a more scholarly view of biblical interpretation without losing its theological essence. The Virkler method is among those examples used in most theological seminaries in the US.

But in my opinion, most of the methods employed by established churches are quite good. Since the advent and proliferation of Fundamentalism at the turn of the 20th century, interpretation in this part of the Christian sect is almost "anything goes."

[ncmknight]

I didn't know that my salvation is based on taking a nap the whole Saturday.

I also didn't know that God is inferior to the inventor of the Julian and Gregorian calendars.

[The_Child]

Nope.

I would not also say it is the oldest. At the time of the "early church," Ignatius of Antioch, Clement and Augustine of Hippo were among the first Christian apologists who clarified and amplified many of the teachings of the Apostles. The Four Rs, said to be the pillars of Jewish Hermeneutics likewise predate Schleiermacher -- Rashi, Radak, Ramban, and Ralbag.

The Schleiermacher approach is a common method used by orthodox Protestants although not necessarily fundamentalists. The Catholic Church differs in that it is mostly patristic and relies largely on traditions (teachings of the church fathers) although many of the principles employed by the Catholic Church are relatively the same as that of Schleiermacher's.

More modern Hermeneutics have been propounded to offer a more scholarly view of biblical interpretation without losing its theological essence. The Virkler method is among those examples used in most theological seminaries in the US.

But in my opinion, most of the methods employed by established churches are quite good. Since the advent and proliferation of Fundamentalism at the turn of the 20th century, interpretation in this part of the Christian sect is almost "anything goes."

but sir, they are technically not hermeneutics, but exegeses.
the very reason why i said Romantic Hermeneutics is the oldest form of hermeneutics because it was schleiermacher' that raised both exegesis (Talmud and Bible et al) and philology (hellenic classics) into a kuhtslere, a "technology" in his terms makes it a hermeneutics, that field which is the theory of the operations of understanding in their relation to the interpretation of texts.

other ways, hermeneutics is responsible for placing exegesis and philology to a general understanding.

which is my question: are we still grappling with romantic hermeneutics in biblical studies?


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sorry, but dont bother answering, i just got the answer to my own question apparently from some insight of sorts. but yeh, cheers, thanks.

[newtonscousin]

This is a case of faulty hermeneutics commonly committed by fundamentalists. It miserably bears the presumption that the Biblical authors are talking to a present-day audience. A case in point is this thread.

If you follow the Mosaic Law intently as well as the Levitical ordinances instituted by Moses, they were primarily intended to ancient Israel. "The Covenant" that is repeatedly stated in the Old Testament is not the covenant between modern-day Christians and God BUT between Israel and God.

The wisdom of the Sabbath is NOT based on the injunction to observe it strictly on a Saturday but on the underlying principle that Christians must need to spare a day for rest and to dedicate the same to God.

Besides, even if we were to strictly follow Saturday as the day of rest, it is not certain that the Saturday we have now is the same Saturday that was observed by the ancient Hebrews. From the time the Israelites were yet slaves in Egypt to the time they were under the Babylonians and up to the time of Caesar, the calendar had underwent many changes.

Catholic:
"It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church."
Priest Bradly, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, N.J. "News", March 8, 1903

If you follow the Mosaic Law intently as well as the Levitical ordinances instituted by Moses, they were primarily intended to ancient Israel. "The Covenant" that is repeatedly stated in the Old Testament is not the covenant between modern-day Christians and God BUT between Israel and God.

Did Jesus foresee His followers keeping the Sabbath after His death?
Matthew 24:20 - "But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath;

Will we keep the Sabbath in Heaven? (meaning in the future)
Isa 66
22 - "For just as the new Heavens and the new Earth which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before me," says the LORD.

[handsoff241]

Lol I actually forgot what this thread was about cause child and prose talked about something I can't digest.

[regnauld]

Catholic:
"It is well to remind the Presbyterians, Baptist, Methodist, and all other Christians, that the Bible does not support them anywhere in their observance of Sunday. Sunday is an institution of the Roman Catholic Church, and those who observe the day observe a commandment of the Catholic Church."
Priest Bradly, in an address, reported in the Elizabeth, N.J. "News", March 8, 1903



Did Jesus foresee His followers keeping the Sabbath after His death?
Matthew 24:20 - "But pray that your flight may not be in the winter, or on a Sabbath;

Will we keep the Sabbath in Heaven? (meaning in the future)
Isa 66
22 - "For just as the new Heavens and the new Earth which I make will endure before Me," declares the LORD, "So your offspring and your name will endure.
23 - "And it shall be from new moon to new moon and from Sabbath to Sabbath, all mankind will come to bow down before me," says the LORD.

Is Sabbath the greatest commandment?