The Ancient Wisdom

[regnauld]

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So U mean kana imu truth nga nahibaloan karon duna pa possiblity ma change nah? cge man kaha change...

Why not? Nothing is STATIC In this universe. If you say this is THE TRUTH and will never change is just like saying We are the ONLY living beings in this universe and that is the TRUTH and will never change.

TRUTH is an open system and never close but always progressive which is FOREVER EVOLVING Into higher dimensions from previous TRUTHS.

[The_Child]

Why not? Nothing is STATIC In this universe. If you say this is THE TRUTH and will never change is just like saying We are the ONLY living beings in this universe and that is the TRUTH and will never change.

TRUTH is an open system and never close but always progressive which is FOREVER EVOLVING Into higher dimensions from previous TRUTHS.

but sir, if this statement is to be considered true, then it goes that the truthfulness of this statement also changes to its anti-thesis, making this false. it becomes a contradiction, no?

briefly: if this statement is true, then this must be false.

[grovestreet]

human understandings are always in transition.

[regnauld]

but sir, if this statement is to be considered true, then it goes that the truthfulness of this statement also changes to its anti-thesis, making this false. it becomes a contradiction, no?

briefly: if this statement is true, then this must be false.

It must be false according to your LOGIC but not according to QUANTUM PHYSICS which doesn't follow LOGIC strictly or Linear perspective all the time. Our LOGICAL minds traps and cannot transcend limitations for it always thinks rationally and does not consider vertical approach. THINK OUTSIDE THE BOX or OUTSIDE LOGIC is the KEY!

BTW contradiction is part in the search for TRUTH!

[The_Child]

a recourse to intellectual juggling then huh?

there is a fine line between being rational/logical with transcending reason and just plain BS. ( i know you wont take this word as an insult unlike some people in this thread, who do not understand what BS really means in modern parlance)

so if logic is not the key to truth,

then what is? your brand of intuition - that whatever you consider to point out, plus, a recourse to "it goes beyond logic" is this your truth?

though how strange quantum mechanics work, it was still conceived of in terms of reason. and that the explanation to quantum mechanics still leaves it as a subordinate to reason.
Why is quantum mechanics a branch in physics if it is beyond the logic of physics itself? i hope you dont mention quantum mechanics if your not interested in explaining how it is related to your intuition of truth.

[regnauld]

a recourse to intellectual juggling then huh?

there is a fine line between being rational/logical with transcending reason and just plain BS. ( i know you wont take this word as an insult unlike some people in this thread, who do not understand what BS really means in modern parlance)

so if logic is not the key to truth,

then what is? your brand of intuition - that whatever you consider to point out, plus, a recourse to "it goes beyond logic" is this your truth?

though how strange quantum mechanics work, it was still conceived of in terms of reason. and that the explanation to quantum mechanics still leaves it as a subordinate to reason.
Why is quantum mechanics a branch in physics if it is beyond the logic of physics itself? i hope you dont mention quantum mechanics if your not interested in explaining how it is related to your intuition of truth.

As far as I know sire, there are levels of TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING. The TRUTH to the ZEN masters are not TRUTH for you. But how come they were able to attain ENLIGHTENMENT and you were not?

I believe LOGIC or REASON is not the only measurement of how we arrive TRUTH. The Buddhists and YOGIS don't rely much on their rational minds.

I hope you already know this. I know LOGIC can be limiting to some. I'm not saying LOGIC is bad. It is just not accurate. It is just like a tool, like a hammer and you can only use it to hammer all the nails but cannot use it to saw the wood.

Reason is just a starting point and when reason ends, then what?

[josephdc]

But, sir, doesn't "thinking out of the box or outside logic" really mean being illogical?

[regnauld]

But, sir, doesn't "thinking out of the box or outside logic" really mean being illogical?

Thinking outside the box has a GREAT VALUE. Being ILLOGICAL and LOGICAL are ONE of the same coin. Its like LOGIC vs. EMOTIONS. You cannot have one without the other. The challenge is always to transcend and go beyond LOGIC! Transcendence is the key!

[The_Child]

As far as I know sire, there are levels of TRUTH and UNDERSTANDING. The TRUTH to the ZEN masters are not TRUTH for you. But how come they were able to attain ENLIGHTENMENT and you were not?

I believe LOGIC or REASON is not the only measurement of how we arrive TRUTH. The Buddhists and YOGIS don't rely much on their rational minds.

I hope you already know this. I know LOGIC can be limiting to some. I'm not saying LOGIC is bad. It is just not accurate. It is just like a tool, like a hammer and you can only it use to hammer all the nails but cannot use it to saw the wood.

Reason is just a starting point and when reason ends, then what?

yes, but the difference is that they in the first place did not presented an attempt to explanation while you on the other hand did, but at the end you recourse to this juggling because of the inherent contradiction in your earlier attempts to explanation.

the case is inconsistency.
first you attempt to an explanation (logical)
then suddenly, a juggle (mystical, transcendent)

if you use, the latter, in the first place, there is no need to explanation, that is, there was no need to post in the first place. but since your in a forum, and since you posted, you are obligated by discourse to say something that is the very least intelligible.

everybody could do what you did, transcend logic-beyond etc. but that would make a forum, inutile.


and, we should not prematurely transcend. lest we take a heavy fall.

[regnauld]

yes, but the difference is that they in the first place did not presented an attempt to explanation while you on the other hand did, but at the end you recourse to this juggling because of the inherent contradiction in your earlier attempts to explanation.

the case is inconsistency.
first you attempt to an explanation (logical)
then suddenly, a juggle (mystical, transcendent)

if you use, the latter, in the first place, there is no need to explanation, that is, there was no need to post in the first place. but since your in a forum, and since you posted, you are obligated by discourse to say something that is the very least intelligible.

everybody could do what you did, transcend logic-beyond etc. but that would make a forum, inutile.


and, we should not prematurely transcend. lest we take a heavy fall.

I cannot always use REASON for it binds me - for words are just limiting and mental processes are so abstract that it cannot always be equated with TRUTH. It's always RELATIVE in the end. There is no ABSOLUTE TRUTH.

For entertainment purposes, we can play words but we are still stuck with out mental indigestion and constipation.