Anthroposophia

[The_Child]

sir child, did it ever occur to you that the doctrines of the catholic church is not working anymore? like it's already obsolete or something.

how could it be obsolete? I still find it as one of the most rational and advance belief system that exists. if a priest embraces "esotericism" what about his commitments to his priesthood?

truth is relative? the meaning of relative is a contradiction. there is no such thing as truth as relative.

try to be broad minded? just because im standing up with my catholic principle doesnt mean im not broad minded. ugh. it is not me who should be open-minded, i am very open-minded, rather it is you, since you hold conceptions that the church is obsolete? where did you get such notions - it is absurd, why? How many universities of top caliber talks about Christian Courses, such as Theology, Philosophy, Art, HIstory et al, and how many universities that offers courses on "esotericism" ? the last time i checked was a graduate course in a university in denmark was that or belgium, and your saying that Catholic Ideas are obsolete, tell me again, who is more recognized in the academic community and tell me again why it is obsolete? perhaps your being close minded, just perhaps?

everybody here is a theosophist, or at least, inclined to it. i still stand with my argument.

[Hellblazer 2.1]

how could it be obsolete? I still find it as one of the most rational and advance belief system that exists. if a priest embraces "esotericism" what about his commitments to his priesthood?

truth is relative? the meaning of relative is a contradiction. there is no such thing as truth as relative.

try to be broad minded? just because im standing up with my catholic principle doesnt mean im not broad minded. ugh.

everybody here is a theosophist, or at least, inclined to it. i still stand with my argument.

i'm not trying to pick a fight here, but if you're inclined to it, then i'm happy to oblige.

the catholic doctrine is becoming obsolete sir. let's face it. their dogmas don't apply to the modern world anymore. if they don't change their style, the roman catholic church will become extinct.

what's wrong with a priest who's into esotericism? if he's embraced it, then that's his life he's living, right? there are a lot of priests who are into esotericism. who are you to judge them? are you so quick as to excommunicate them because they've gone heretical. just as long as they've hurt no one, then they should be free to do what they want to do. if you're the type of person who's inclined to judging people then i think we'd be bracing for the inquisition again.

the truth is relative sir. what you may consider as truth may not apply to me. what i may consider as truth may not apply to you. for all you know, maybe the truth is falser than any lie.

i'm not a theosophist sir. i'm still studying theosophy. i couldn't care less if you feel disgusted by it (you did say "ugh") when we try to broaden our minds and actually see. and not just embracing someone else's dogma to be taken as truth, no questions asked.

a child is supposed to learn. learn many things. not just accepting the so-called learnings of others. you as a person must experience for yourself what they want you to believe. if not, you should change your nickname to The Robot.

this is your priest talking sir. not you. for once in your life, wouldn't you like to think for yourself?

[The_Child]

i'm not trying to pick a fight here, but if you're inclined to it, then i'm happy to oblige.

the catholic doctrine is becoming obsolete sir. let's face it. their dogmas don't apply to the modern world anymore. if they don't change their style, the roman catholic church will become extinct.

what's wrong with a priest who's into esotericism? if he's embraced it, then that's his life he's living, right? there are a lot of priests who are into esotericism. who are you to judge them? are you so quick as to excommunicate them because they've gone heretical. just as long as they've hurt no one, then they should be free to do what they want to do. if you're the type of person who's inclined to judging people then i think we'd be bracing for the inquisition again.

the truth is relative sir. what you may consider as truth may not apply to me. what i may consider as truth may not apply to you. for all you know, maybe the truth is falser than any lie.

i'm not a theosophist sir. i'm still studying theosophy. i couldn't care less if you feel disgusted by it (you did say "ugh") when we try to broaden our minds and actually see. and not just embracing someone else's dogma to be taken as truth, no questions asked.

a child is supposed to learn. learn many things. not just accepting the so-called learnings of others. you as a person must experience for yourself what they want you to believe. if not, you should change your nickname to The Robot.

this is your priest talking sir. not you. for once in your life, wouldn't you like to think for yourself?

why are you people so hostile? pick a fight? what is wrong with you people. at least the bible fanatics and the atheist posse arent that hostile, this bunch is beyond me.

hay. IN arguing: Answer, Assert, Prove. unsa manang "lets face it sir" ? face what? you could not prove that its obsolete, you just said "lets face it sir" thats a fallacy, i think you know that. Change their style? what style?
Im sorry sir, but your not making any supporting argument here that the church is obsolete.
So why are there universities still teaching Catholic thought, even in secular universities? As i said sir, you cant prove that statement, you cant even reply why "esotericism" is not a very well accepted academic course. it is not a course in itself, but an object of the course to say the least. (and then youd look at this as an insult towards theosophy labeling me with things again and again)

dont reverse that "ugh" thing on me, you were the one who claimed i am not broad minded, which i replied with an "ugh" how in god's name am i suppose to deal with the study on poststructuralism, which is my deepest interests, if i am not broadminded? but anyways, thats not the point. I never said im disgusted with you.( WHAT IS WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE, YOU THINK EVERY THING IS ABOUT YOU? I Have never lift any personal statements to anyone yet, they are all general statements. )


about the PRIEST ISSUE, NGANO DILI MAN MO KASABOT THAT THE PRIEST ISSUE IS NOT A PERSONAL ISSUE OF THE PRIEST ALONE, REMEMBER THAT THE PRIEST HAS A COMMITMENT NOT ONLY TO HIMSELF BUT TO HIS FLOCK AND TO HIS CHURCH. IF HE COULD NOT COMMIT, WHY BECOME A PRIEST IN THE FIRST PLACE? IS IT SO HARD TO UNDERSTAND THAT THE PRIESTHOOD IS NOT SOMETHING PERSONAL?
and esotericism is opposite to church belief. why is that soooooooooooo hard to understand? WALA MOY SENSE OF COMMITMENT AND RESPONSIBILITY TO SAY, THAT THE PRIEST COULD DO WHATEVER HE WANTS AS LONG AS IT DOESNT HURT ANYBODY? TO EMBRACE BELIEFS THAT DOES NOT JIVE WITH CHURCH BELIEFS IS ALREADY A VIOLENCE TO THE FLOCK HE IS ADMINISTERING TO, and to the CHURCH AS A WHOLE. ( If you do not understand that, i dont know how else to explain it)

the truth is relative. 1st year philosophy majors would usually reply that saying so nullifies your own statement that truth being relative is itself relative - a double negation. But since im not a first year, let me explain in another way, that there is no such thing as relative, you have to consider what yo u mean by relative, Einstenian relativity, Kantian Relativity, Dostoevskian relativity? relativity as solipsism. there are a lot of shades to what you are referring to as truth as relative. but at the end, its contradictory and untenable.


your priest talking? ugh. you claim to be broad-minded and yet you continue to assume a lot. I dont have a priest talking with me. I have no mentor-priest. And frankly, i dont need one in conversations like this.

about the Robot nick-change thing, i prefer to have my nick as it is. thank you for the suggestion. but perhaps before you suggest others people's nick you might want to reflect yours.

[The_Child]

hey you just summarized your point perfectly, "redundant", though who have a follow up explanation regarding the priest, to abandon your faith is what makes it wrong, well thats another judgment comin from you w/c i differ again,
and wow you know the meanings of gnosticism, esotericism, & occult,hmmm, i should have known that youve been reading a lot of eastern thoughts, now my gut is right you must be a mahatma or a great soul,
im just wondering if let us say you read all those varied topics & yet you come to a conclusion that to abandon ones faith is wrong in favor of esotericism, that for me is a judgement coming from somebody who doesnt have any idea of esotericism, or perhaps who does not have a deeper understanding of what he reads?
I have to be honest w/ you dodong, & this is my bias regarding this matter:
For me, If you truly understand what you have been reading (gnosticism,esotericism,sancaracarya,advaita,etc) you will never be the same again,
but i guess i should have considered that it has a different effect on you,
your still trap w/ the traditions of the catholic church (w/c i wont be surprised unta if your not well versed in eastern thought),

try to read it more but this time w/ discernment

i think thats a misconception sir. just because ive read 24 upanishads, some parts of The Life Divine, the Enneads, Brahman sutrya bhasya, some buddhist books, doesnt mean that it would necessarily change everything in me. Its the same thing as telling someone to read the biblical texts and telling them that if they have not changed according to the teachings of the bible then they do not understand it?

i dont think it works like that sir. some may fall in-love with certain studies or with certain readings, but for me, so much as i was inlove with Indian thought back years ago, my first and favorite book was tge translation of 12 upanishads by swami nikilinanda it doesnt mean that i have to embrace it because i understood it.
dili diay pwede that i understood it, but i do not want to embrace it?


to abandon once faith, as ive said must be contextualized with the priest issue, i hope you dont take it away from context. the priest has commitments, promises, not only to himself but to his flock and to the church as a whole. Would it be right to break away from that commitment especially if that commitment concerns not only you but also others? Commitments are important. Before entering the priesthood, discern. reflect. meditate. all those things.

As ive said, there is that critical juncture in the history of human thought when it divided to gnostic tradition and rational tradition, and where at the end it was rational tradition that won over as the lingua franca discourse.

[Red.Emano]

then do something about it.

[regnauld]

"May I never boast of anything save the cross of the Lord...the cross which is my suffering but with meaning."

[regnauld]

J. Krishnamurti


May the boundless knowledge that time presents and space allows illuminate the native perspectives of your original face. "The ORIGINAL THEOSOPHIST"

Rudolf Steiner

(1861-1925)
Rudolf Steiner was born in 1861 and died in 1925. In his autobiography, The Course of My Life, he makes quite clear that the problems dealt with in The Philosophy of Freedom played a leading part in his life. THE ORIGINAL THEOSOPHIST too!

[regnauld]

Rudolf Steiner (1861-1925) -

"My God, my God, how you have glorified me!"

[flying fish]

Hi th_child, you dictionaries definition of esotericism is acceptable, but its still different from occult arts, they have similarities of its nature w/c is "hidden" but in its endeavor its not,

This is where my sarcasm is coming from when i said that you dont really understand ESOTERICISM,
Esotericism is an attempt to study the essentials, the inner teachings of every religion amidst its seeming differences, & you will noticed that all religions essentially teaches & believes in Love,compassion,fairness,justice,peace,courage,kin dness,sincerity,golden rule,etc.
It teaches self reliance & to realize god from w/n,to experience god in day to day life, seeing god in your fellow men, seeing & experience god anywhere, everywhere & to anyone,

So where is the threat to that of your catholic faith?

When i told you "that you will never be the same again if you truly understand ESOTERICISM"
Its because of the implied beauty of esotericism, it in fact enhances your faith,
Havent stumbled upon a literature in esotericism that encourages you to leave your religion, but continuously encourages you to "live" it, making it a reality to our day to day living,
so where is the threat of abandoning one's religion?

Regarding priest who defy the catholic church dos & donts, thats normal for any "thinking" priest,
I dont think they start marrying just because they read esoteric books, that would funny, not unless they are reading Kama Sutra then it could be,

Why priest defy his own church? the church itself is the big reason, the church reputation is a big shame to its sincere priest,
& in connection w/ your claim "I still find it as the most rational and advance belief system that exist"
The-child pls for your own sake refrain from attaching greatness to the catholic church cause there is nothing to be great of;
First its not advance cause its simply a copy paste of pagan system, & the old tradition before
second its not rational, specially if taken literally, its the most inhuman & unjust doctrine, specially the anthropomorphic god, hesus gino-o ko, i would like to think your better than that god,his behavior if taken literally does not fit the resume of an almighty being,

The church reputation is not something to be proud of, im sure you knw the misadventure of the catholic church during the dark ages/inquisition
look at the history of the catholic church, & not just the church version or their own storey,

but dont get me wrong, i love christianity, i didnt abandon my being catholic after studying ESOTERICISM, i just dont follow any more the many ridiculous & ungodly belief system of the church,
in other words i refused to be fooled around by my church,

And by the way if you will be able to go deeper into the study of esotericism then we can have a friendly sharing even in person, & try to study works not filtered by catholic writers, & also detach for a while from your Faith,

Esotericism is not a threat to your faith, the real threat is our misconception about it, your thinking makes it so.

You read Advaita, be my guest, how do you find it? esoteric ra ba sad ang Advaita

Advaita-
"To know oneself to be the ONE SELF-This is the aspiration,the final goal,the glorious Gospel of Advaita, which transforms the illusive mind of man into GOD manifest in endless bliss"

i hope the above beautiful lines is not a threat to your catholic faith,

& dont take it too personal about the attention that your recieving now,its not design to harm you or abandon your faith,
I just simply pick up your impression & reflect it on you,just being sincere as what youve said,
namaste

[regnauld]

I think the Roman Catholic Church is open nowadays when ti comes to Spirituality and Occultism. Only the conservatives are against it. My friend who is a Jesuit priest is advocating Yoga and ZEN meditation.