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    for many, atheism is liberation. puts an end to the nagging fear of sin and punishment. it then allows them to do good for the sake of being good, by and of themselves alone. i see meaning there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramini View Post
    HAHAHA!! amaw ai!..drab lang jd cguro ang atheism for you..if i try to look through atheism sa akoang understanding sa imoha on how you view ideals and religion and stuff atheism would be colorless and dull..basta ako i like atheism it's straightforward wlai roaming around sa bush it presents you things straight to the point..the only problem with it is understanding the inner workings on how everything works..unlike to the christians nga they'd just have to take faith when god said that "let there be light!" then light is there..pero dli man ko ma contento ana gd..let me rephrase..dli nako ma kontento ana na sentence..nway in respect to christians ilaha mana..if they feel secure in it then fine with me..
    The inner meaning of Light according to Esoteric Teaching is TRUTH which is Enlighthenment as what Buddha and Jesus had experienced. I don't take it literally all the time what the bible says. There are so many symbols, analogies, paradoxes that the Ancient masters were trying to convey. I go beyong from the five senses and enter into the multidimensional universe or call it matrix as you want. Nothing is static. Everything is dynamic. LIFE is LIFE...EVOLUTION +REVOLUTION = Higher States of Consciousness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelwise View Post
    allows them to do good for the sake of being good, alone.
    precisely...unadulterated good or unadulterated bad..without having these words at the back one's mind while doing good or bad...

    "im doing this because this is what god wants me to do. This act of mine is accordance to his great will and glory"...i

    m not saying all christians have this kind of thought pero this isn't a far fetched line of thinking when christians do good.

    on the atheis's side..it's kinda short. And sometimes harsh.

    "I'm doing this because i want to, and it makes me feel good that i have been of help."

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelwise View Post
    for many, atheism is liberation. puts an end to the nagging fear of sin and punishment. it then allows them to do good for the sake of being good, by and of themselves alone. i see meaning there.
    How about the Universal or Natural Laws of the Universe? No one punishes you except you violating these Immutable Laws!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    The inner meaning of Light according to Esoteric Teaching is TRUTH which is Enlighthenment as what Buddha and Jesus had experienced. I don't take it literally all the time what the bible says. There are so many symbols, analogies, paradoxes that the Ancient masters were trying to convey. I go beyong from the five senses and enter into the multidimensional universe or call it matrix as you want. Nothing is static. Everything is dynamic. LIFE is LIFE...EVOLUTION +REVOLUTION = Higher States of Consciousness!
    i had a hunch you'd say stuff like this..hehe!! well let's drink to that!..for the Higher States of Consciousness!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pixelwise View Post
    for many, atheism is liberation. puts an end to the nagging fear of sin and punishment. it then allows them to do good for the sake of being good, by and of themselves alone. i see meaning there.
    Where is this concept of goodness come from? What is the essence of being good? Can Atheism answer this with logic and common sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramini View Post
    i had a hunch you'd say stuff like this..hehe!! well let's drink to that!..for the Higher States of Consciousness!
    Amen to that. Can an Atom stand without an electron? We can never drink if one molecule is missing from the cup of mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Where is this concept of goodness come from? What is the essence of being good? Can Atheism answer this with logic and common sense?
    in my opinion bro reg..the concept of goodness comes from the person on how he was molded by the lessons he has learned by himself through his collected experience in life whether bad or good..he helps because he wants to and not because of any spiritual thing or person that urged him to help..he justs want to help that's it..the specific person who volunteered to help he might have a myriad reasons why he helped pero he did it..out of himself and not because of through some spiritual urging or anything he wants to help that's it..the reason(s) on why he helped will be his own either out of pity or he just knows that he's capable of helping and thus offered the aid..and nothing spiritual or anything just plain unadulterated help..the essence of being good for an atheist in my opinion is because he can help..he wants to help..without any spiritual urgings just plain assistance to his fellow men..and he has a choice too of whether he wants to help or not without having to undergo to any kind of guilt born from any spiritual beliefs he might feel guilty..because he knew he could offer help and is capable of helping but he didn't..that might be one of the reason of why he felt guilty and not of any spiritual induced guilt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ramini View Post
    cge daw beh..nganong religion man kuno ang atheism?..hehe!!!

    i just realized if fundamentalism has infected religion then i guess anti-theism is a fundamentalist branch of atheism..hmm..grabe jd ning fundamentalism once it invades a certain ideal or religion it wrecks havoc!..murag mao ni ang "snake" sa garden..tempting anyone
    hahahhaha, cge um, kaning, well, naka join ko sa isa ka convo about it. and the thing is...

    atheism - doesn't believe in God diba? (true)
    well, if they don't believe in God, unsa man ilang gituohan? (most people would say, WALA)
    so, then basically, they don't believe in ANYTHING.. diba?
    so if thats the case... aha nila nakuha ang ilang principles in life?
    if muingon sila.. wala silay principles LOL, then that is false na hehe kay?
    every decision a human makes is based on what he learned since birth diba (what they learned is what makes their principles) ? awaya ang baby pirme, diba he will learn to fight back. lol because he/she lol believed that what you are doing (fighting the baby lol) is ACCEPTABLE... or in other words, is RIGHT. soooo...... even the baby believed that fighting is good dba?
    so, balik ta sa atheism, there is no such phrase nga "they dont believe in anything" lol. coz while they are alive, they're basing their lives on what they have learned. and thats a fact.
    so, obviously if they say they don't believe in God.. that means they believed in something else dba? not satan lol (lahi man pud ang satanic LOL), they don't believe in deities. (according to wikiFedia).. nothing at all!..so they are left alone in this world lol. and when we say alone , its only you, yourself.. so bottom line is. when you are an atheist, everything is based on what YOU know. what YOU've learned, what YOU have always believed. (and what you believe is based on what you've learned lol) mag tuyok2x ra na sya,,.. one thing is sure.. you believe in YOU. soo. so. !!
    Religion is when you believe on something.. lol. kana sya matawag nga religion, if you put your belief on something.. whether or not its on God, on the devil, on the sun lol. or put ur belief in You.
    so.. sa hinaba-haba ng procession, lol. it's considered as a religion, coz its all about YOU in your life.

    PS: those are only opinions.

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    for the believers they use good and bad doings..

    for the atheists they use right and wrong..

    there is a big diff between good and right things to do..

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