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  1. #31

    Ang ako lang pod gi-think ani is if dli na mo-expire ang load, telcos will device a scheme like load stealing in which mahibulong lang ka that ang imo load nikalit lang ug zero bisan wla ka nag-text. Or kanang what is common today nga mag-send ka 1sms then sa other party 2x/3x niya ma-receive in which sa imo load nakaltasan. None the less consumers are always cheated.

  2. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    the larger the database mosamot kadako ang electric bill, you need more space, more precision air-conditioning units, you also will need more towers, more transmission equipment and more switching equipment...
    tan-awa iyang tubag
    Quote Originally Posted by hacxcena View Post
    I don't agree that the larger the database mo dako sad imo kuryente bro..If they installed 10 terabytes of storage na nagdagan ma naa siya sulod or wala the same ra gihapon ang kuryente na iya gi consumed. Its not the same sa aircon na imo i fan less kuryente ma consumed og high cool mas taas kuryente ma consumed compare sa fan settings bro.
    mao na akong pasabot , daghan sulod or wla ang database, mao ra gihapon ang kaon sa kuryente.
    naa man siguro kay pc sa inyoha nganu wla man ka kabalo


    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    correct bro,
    but license fee is annually paid, you don't pay annual fees on your sim do you?
    kug annually paid, pinakadakong panahon nga dili ka magload is 6months, so gabayad gihapon ta.
    BTW, asa man ta makabasa anang magbayad ug license sa sim card ang mga telecoms sa nokia/siemens etc.?



    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    hehehe...if GLOBE has 20million subscribers, I bet 40% to 50% of that has no load at any given time.
    so, 10million subs has no load at any given time. Pero, it is a money making scheme....onli n da pilipins. force the clients to load up para naay steady flow of revenues...maybe this will change depending on the consumers spending pattern. For now, it is still working for them. If wise na ang mga subscribers, dili mopalit ug load if dili gyud importante kaayo...wala nay halin, so this may change.
    mao gani gipa-explain sila sa load shelf-life kay klaro na kaayo..



    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    para nako parehas ra. ang imong kwarta nga gideposit sa banko, ilang deductionan ug maintenance fee.
    unsa-on pag INTEREST nga ang load 15pesos ra man. Sa banko bro, kwentaha ang interest sa 15pesos in one year at 2%. unya usa ra na ka tawo bro. dawaton sa banko ang 15peso balance account?
    toink... ang sa telecoms kay ang imong deposit kay 15 ra man sad....
    and, bahala nag gamay basta gatubo, imagine 1000years (ang simcard imong gihatag sa imong apohan ahahaa)

    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    i was referring to the space occupied by a given subscriber data on the network hardware.
    network hardware is very expensive...dili lang na siya simple nga hard disk, you have to consider floor space, precise airconditioning, precise power, towers, transmission equipment, switching.
    I was referring to the space and free storage.
    di ba imong SIM walay load...meaning free siya nga nag occupy sa hard drive sa network.
    unya naay incoming SIM nga naay load pero wala nay space...so buy na pud ug hardware para accommodate sa incoming SIM nga naay load...so, magkadaghan o magkadaku ang imong hardware unya wala nag earn ug income, kay dili man kaha ipadelete ang SIM nga walay load...Ok ra tingali if you are a non-profit cellular company.
    toink... nganung free man na siya nga gaoccupy? nga gabayad man ta sa pagpalit lang daan sa sim + mag load pa jud ta...
    AND wla man siguro na kaabot ug 1mb ang usa ka record sa usa ka sim, nganung mapuno man ang ilang database??
    ibutang nato 500kb x 20m(sa imong kwenta) = 10tera byte ra and kadatu anang mga telecoms magproblema pa sila ana?
    lusot lang jud na nila....


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    "There is such thing as HLR in our network, which is the home locator registry. Once a number is activated it occupies a space in the HLR. Every time you open your phone, that space is allotted to you, for your use," he explained.

    Castelo said the system was designed in that manner so they can "churn out subscribers who are no longer there."
    murag ang pasabot ani sa mga telecoms kay kato ng mga naexpire...

    im voting for extended load expiry not the no sim expiry.
    so, wlay problema basta dili lang ma expire ang sim..

  3. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by k.A.i View Post
    tan-awa iyang tubag
    mao na akong pasabot , daghan sulod or wla ang database, mao ra gihapon ang kaon sa kuryente.
    naa man siguro kay pc sa inyoha nganu wla man ka kabalo
    hehehe...and you think a telecom subscriber database can be handled by a typical PC hardware?
    nakasulod na ka ug telecom equipment room? particulary a cellular switch room?
    expanding capacity would mean buying lots of hardware, dili ra na hard disk lang paliton parehas sa imong PC....unya asa man na nimo ibutang ang additional hardware? unya additional hardware would mean additional cooling system. Unya dili na siya cooling system nga Carrier aircon lang...Precision ACUs na bro.
    tagpila na ang space(per sq.m.) dinha sa IT park?

    Kanang Globe nga naa sa IT park, pila kaha ang subscriber capacity ana dinha?

    when you talk of expanding, mga pila kaha sa imong tan-aw ang mo expand?
    dili gigabytes ang figures bro...it is pila ka subscribers ang makaya niya ma handle.

    typical switch can handle 600thousand subs...if mo expand pa ka...you need to buy another switch not a hard disk only...you have to buy a complete switching hardware...unya dili lang na switch, you also have to buy another HLR system.

    sa kana lang bro, if your switch database has 600thousand subs nga dili mo expire, load dili mo expire...asa man ka mokuha ug bayad para sa imong kuryente(millions ni bro in a month lang), abang sa space, sweldo sa mga tawo, spares/maintenance requirements, bayad sa mga govt fees/licenses, opex etc...


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  4. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by k.A.i View Post
    tan-awa iyang tubag mao gani gipa-explain sila sa load shelf-life kay klaro na kaayo..
    bottomline is, it is a business...a very good business!

    kung negosyante ka bro, are you willing to divulge(THE TRUTH) on how you earn bigtime?
    if imo na ipakita imo "strategy"...dili na magdugay imo negosyo.

    ang mga oil companies, mas una pa man na sila nga nag negosyo dinhi sa pilipinas kaysa telecom companies...nakadungog o nakakita ba ka sa ilang sumada on how they arrive at their pump prices?



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  5. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by k.A.i View Post
    kug annually paid, pinakadakong panahon nga dili ka magload is 6months, so gabayad gihapon ta.
    BTW, asa man ta makabasa anang magbayad ug license sa sim card ang mga telecoms sa nokia/siemens etc.?
    hahaha... makabasa ka ana if you buy a cellular system from Nokia/siemens etc.
    parehas sa microsoft, when you want their OS, paliton nimo ang license, if you buy MS OFFICE naay license...unya dili puede i-share di ba? that is business!

    so when you expand...dili man ikaw-ikaw lang mo expand...there are software and hardware modifications that has to be done, equipment vendor ang motrabaho ani, of course, with a fee and SW and HW cost.....and depending on how many you like...naa nay corresponding license nga imong paliton plus aside sa license naa pa na sila share o fee sa kada subs nga naa sa database.

    kana imo OS bro...licensed na?


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  6. #36
    Quote Originally Posted by k.A.i View Post
    toink... nganung free man na siya nga gaoccupy? nga gabayad man ta sa pagpalit lang daan sa sim + mag load pa jud ta...
    AND wla man siguro na kaabot ug 1mb ang usa ka record sa usa ka sim, nganung mapuno man ang ilang database??
    ibutang nato 500kb x 20m(sa imong kwenta) = 10tera byte ra and kadatu anang mga telecoms magproblema pa sila ana?
    lusot lang jud na nila....
    tagpila gani ang SIM karon? 50pesos...unya forever na nga mag occupy sa imong system?
    unya tagpila gani kung magpa host ka ug website? di ba annual man ang renewal ani?

    and SIM murag comparable sa usa ka website, it is your identity it is your site...if dili ka mobayad sa next annual fee di ba tang-tang imo website...unya ang SIM dili? at 50pesos, forever na sa database? alkanse negosyo bro.

    dili man hard disk ang kwentada bro, capacity is for the whole system.
    Mao na nga ang switch and HLR sa SMART/Globe/SUN daghan kaayo na...dili ra na usa ka buok.
    The more the subscribers the more switch and HLR equipment.

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  7. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by hayden View Post
    Ang ako lang pod gi-think ani is if dli na mo-expire ang load, telcos will device a scheme like load stealing in which mahibulong lang ka that ang imo load nikalit lang ug zero bisan wla ka nag-text. Or kanang what is common today nga mag-send ka 1sms then sa other party 2x/3x niya ma-receive in which sa imo load nakaltasan. None the less consumers are always cheated.

    hehehe...2x/3x ma receive? dapat kausa ra ka makaltasan.
    deduction is based on SMS sent, not on SMS received.

  8. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by green_giant View Post
    I don't think bill 456 can prosper once those hungry crocs on barongs get fed by telecom companies. For there's a saying that goes, "who owns the gold, make the rules"..amen
    hahaha...insakto!
    just like oil....



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  9. #39
    Quote Originally Posted by hacxcena View Post
    I don't agree that the larger the database mo dako sad imo kuryente bro..If they installed 10 terabytes of storage na nagdagan ma naa siya sulod or wala the same ra gihapon ang kuryente na iya gi consumed. Its not the same sa aircon na imo i fan less kuryente ma consumed og high cool mas taas kuryente ma consumed compare sa fan settings bro.
    subscriiber capacity is not only based on terabytes...

    typically,
    1switch handles 600thousand subscribers, of course, you have to have floor space and precise cooling (dili aircon pareha sa imong bedroom). 1HLR handles 1.2million subscribers.

    if your subscribers increases to 800thousand, dili man ka makapalit ug 200thousand additional capacity lang.
    at 800thousand your HLR can still handle it but what about your switch? dili man ka makapalit ug 0.5switch. It has to be 1whole switch. Mao nga if you increase to 800thousand, you have to buy another complete switching equipment.

    Now, compute pila ka switch and HLR ang naa sa Globe/SMART/SUN given the number of subscribers they claim to now have. pila ang floor space required, pila ang precision cooling capacity required, pila ka precision power supplies required, pila ka transmission equipment required to handle interconnection between two switches and 1HLR (wala pa na labut ang external interconnection), pila cost sa annual OPEX...ug uban pa.

    Nokia/Siemens/Ericsson/Huawei...etc are also making it Bigtime!

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  10. #40
    Quote Originally Posted by leo_trams View Post
    tagpila gani ang SIM karon? 50pesos...unya forever na nga mag occupy sa imong system?
    unya tagpila gani kung magpa host ka ug website? di ba annual man ang renewal ani?

    and SIM murag comparable sa usa ka website, it is your identity it is your site...if dili ka mobayad sa next annual fee di ba tang-tang imo website...unya ang SIM dili? at 50pesos, forever na sa database? alkanse negosyo bro.

    dili man hard disk ang kwentada bro, capacity is for the whole system.
    Mao na nga ang switch and HLR sa SMART/Globe/SUN daghan kaayo na...dili ra na usa ka buok.
    The more the subscribers the more switch and HLR equipment.

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    bro, murag nasulti man siguro nako nga wla ko nag-ingon nga FOREVER?
    load expiry extension ra akong gusto, like 2-6months to a year.

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