Do you believe in Reincarnation?

[Red.Emano]

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ha? classmate diay ta?

hu r u? hmm...

naa rana ninu kung mag lutaw2 inu kalag inig kamatay ninu. tapos mo balhin mo sa lain na host.

wow. murag alien vs predator. naa pa'y pa host host. hahaha

[regnauld]

Reincarnation for some as transmigration of soul is regressive and therefore, not accurate!
Reincarnation in the truest sense is always progressive and evolutionary.

[pixelwise]

halipong ko ha inyo!

ok i'm too lazy to hit the quote button but someone mentioned a number of pages back, "be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". In the same vein one can also consider what peter said, "the lord isn't slack.. not willing that any should perish .. but that all should come to repentance" ... obviously billions and billions of people have already died without even hearing about the christian concept of repentance. but it's god's will, right, that ALL should repent? can god's will be broken? doesn't ALL mean ALL? isn't ALL all that ALL means? so ... could reincarnation be the key for ALL to eventually come to repentance? (hmm does that also mean ALL will eventually become christians in their final reincarnations? jeeezus! god forbid! the current population is more than bad enough )

anyway, to him who brought up "be ye perfect" .. in hebrews it also says, "by his offering he made perfect all who were made holy (or saved, justified, something like that)" ... i guess that addresses the notion .. i have no idea about the "universal repentance" angle yet though

with that said, i still do not accept reincarnation as a fact. perhaps in one of my next lives when more proofs supporting it have been presented

[Hellblazer 2.1]

perhaps in one of my next lives when more proofs supporting it have been presented

at least you're open to the idea. that's good.

[regnauld]

halipong ko ha inyo!

ok i'm too lazy to hit the quote button but someone mentioned a number of pages back, "be perfect as your heavenly father is perfect". In the same vein one can also consider what peter said, "the lord isn't slack.. not willing that any should perish .. but that all should come to repentance" ... obviously billions and billions of people have already died without even hearing about the christian concept of repentance. but it's god's will, right, that ALL should repent? can god's will be broken? doesn't ALL mean ALL? isn't ALL all that ALL means? so ... could reincarnation be the key for ALL to eventually come to repentance? (hmm does that also mean ALL will eventually become christians in their final reincarnations? jeeezus! god forbid! the current population is more than bad enough )

anyway, to him who brought up "be ye perfect" .. in hebrews it also says, "by his offering he made perfect all who were made holy (or saved, justified, something like that)" ... i guess that addresses the notion .. i have no idea about the "universal repentance" angle yet though

with that said, i still do not accept reincarnation as a fact. perhaps in one of my next lives when more proofs supporting it have been presented

"...when I read Jesus’ startling statement in Matt. 5:48: "You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly father is perfect," I was deeply troubled by what seemed to be an unreasonable demand; something impossible of attainment. Now I realize that He was referring indirectly to rebirth, so that we have whatever number of lives we need to achieve that high standard of perfection." Rev. Howard Ray Carey

"In its esoteric sense Jesus' remark to Nicodemus: Thou must be born again, cannot be interpreted as referring to reincarnation, but to that inner transformation of man, equivalent to a new birth. That alone can transmute us into new beings capable of entering into that spiritual state called the kingdom of heaven." Jeanine Miller

"Each soul enters the world strengthened by the victories or weakened by the defects of its past lives. Its place in this world is determined by past virtues and shortcomings." Origen (Early Christian Father and Theologian)

"Under the great Law of Rebirth we undertake that journey again and yet again, until at last we enter into the Light of our own understanding as self-perfected Sons of God." The Master --

Why Do Christians Reject

The Doctrine Of Reincarnation?

The answer is that the modern Church adheres to the doctrine and theology of a Circus Prostitute and a Roman Emperor who maintained absolute control over what Christians were permitted to believe!!! While this may sound outrageous to the modern believer -- i.e., ascribing to the doctrines of a Circus Prostitute who married the Emperor -- it is nonetheless true -- and Christians continue to embrace this prostitute's doctrines of belief even to this very day. The New Testament was founded upon the reality of the pre-existent soul of man that evolves to perfection over the course of many lifetimes -- and the existence of an uncountable number of sects today, is the direct result of the confusion which was brought about when this foundational concept was removed from both the Bible, as well as Christian doctrine. Moreover, it is impossible for modern Christians to mature beyond only a very elementary and superficial understanding of the Gospel and teachings of Yeshua, so long as this primary foundational concept is missing from their understanding.

Christian Reincarnation and TheWay of the Nazirene Disciple

The Ten Reasons Why

Christians Don't Believe In Reincarnation

1. A Circus Prostitute and a Roman Emperor condemned the Christian doctrine of the pre-existent soul that evolves to perfection over the course of many lifetimes.

2. Another Roman Emperor ordered that crucial teachings be removed from the Bible.

3. Christians lack an understanding of one of the main themes of the Bible which is preordination.

4. Without understanding the reason why all things are preordained, Christians lack an understanding of the scriptures, and understanding of the Alpha and Omega

5. Mithraism was the universal religion of the Roman Empire -- and Christianity had to compete with Mithraism as to which religion could offer the multitude the greater redemption without change from the believers sinful ways.

6. The Gentile Christians were too heathen, and demanded that they not be held accountable for their actions, and they required religious doctrines that provided them a free ticket to Heaven.

7. The natural mind of man cannot know God whose ways cannot be perceived and understood from man's carnal perspective.

8. Reincarnation, as understood by the New Age, is in error

9. It can be said that most people don't reincarnate -- because as Jesus said, the spiritually dead cannot be made alive by merely passing from this world when their cycle here is completed.

10. Christians totally lack an understanding of the soul-self -- the higher purpose of life -- and the process of second soul-birth which is necessary to enter into Life and the Kingdom

Reincarnation In Christianity

[carmicael]

Yes, you have a point and there are already lots of research and study going on around the world about reincarnation . Let us review again reincrnation and science!

Reincarnation and Science


The studies of past lives.

Dr. Ian Stevenson of the University of Virginia Medical School has researched over 2.600 cases of children's past life recall. At least 900 of these cases have been verified, which means that Dr. Stevenson got enough information from the children subject of his investigations to identify the past life personality they remembered as theirs.

The methods and investigation techniques that Dr Stevenson has followed for many years has earn him a well deserved respect among the scientific community -always skeptical as we all know- and the few attempts by religious zelots to "debunk" and minimize his findings have been proven to be mistaken and lacking of any valid basis. And it comes as no surprise that the defense against these attacks has been taken not by Dr. Stevenson himself but by his colleagues.


A Challenge from Beyond Although Stevenson never publicly stated a personal belief in reincarnation, he did express his desire to communicate after death. Nearly 40 years ago, the psychiatrist purchased a combination lock and set the code himself with a mnemonic device. He sequestered the lock in a file cabinet and placed it in the Division of Perceptual Studies. He reportedly told colleagues that after death, he would attempt to pass on the mnemonic device. Since Stevenson's death in February 2007, the lock has not been opened.

HowStuffWorks "Reincarnation in Science"

yes, he had done his research, unfortunately, it was not enough to MERIT A SCIENTIFIC LAW. again, you only proved my point that it cannot be considered a science. on the matter of Stevenson's "passing on the key", it isn't quite reliable. he could have paid somebody to "tutor" someone and get things going. it's that easy.

Children's Past Lives: A very strong case.

One of the most solid basis of Dr. Stevenson's research about reincarnation is the fact that the subject of his investigations are young children. Why? Because they are more likely not to be as affected by bias or prejudices as we grown-ups are. And the cases studied by Dr. Stevenson have another poweful element: They all are located in which are known as underdeveloped countries and many of the children that were the subjects of his thourough investigation live in poor and small villages, that are completely out of the mainstream of mass media's influence.

Reincarnation and Science - 144000.net

which means that they are also very easy to subjects for confabulation and selective thinking. LOL.

Again a Buddhist master once said whether you believe in reincarnation or not, it doesn't matter for you will definitely reincarnate my friend!

it's similar as saying: "whether or not you believe in HELL, it doesn't matter for you will definitely go to HELL my friend"

So, what is your belief? Even Jesus mentioned about reincarnation in the bible! You have to study also the Esoteric side of your bible my friend!

again, my present arguments are not based on the Bible. LOL. if you want to put it that way though, only people with thin understandings could interpret Jesus' words as such. a concept of death in Christianity is a "Final Judgment", which clearly opposes "cyclical rebirth". LOL.

Can science validate the belief of the Buddhist master about reincarnation?

SCIENCE CAN VALIDATE BELIEF BASED IN DIRECT OBSERVATIONS OF NATURE.

Early human and later aboriginal societies based their beliefs in reincarnation on observations of their contemporaries that revealed similarities with known people who had lived and died before those being observed were born. Over several generations, people collected many persuasive correspondences between the present personalities and various ancestors that they posited some carry-forward of legacies from the past. As an example, an African tribe used the terms "babatunde" and "yetunde" to indicate the possible reincarnations of boys and girls, respectively, from earlier individuals two generations removed.

The cases described on this website and in the book The Soul Genome provide credible examples of such observable data which cannot be more plausibly explained than by a reincarnation hypothesis. We attempt to be as careful as the team who ultimately concluded two-year-old Lhamo Dhondup is the reincarnation of the 13th Dalai Lama. From a comparable secular approach, The Soul Genome's author's perspective places the experiment in the context of emerging research findings in physics, biology, neuroscience, and evolutionary studies.

SCIENCE CAN CORROBORATE SPIRITUAL BELIEFS.

The Eastern metaphysics of Hinduism and Buddhism, their religious derivations, and early Judaism and Christianity describe reincarnation in terms that cannot be easily, if at all, tested by the nonbeliever. Such supernatural beliefs require unquestioning credulity. A historical overview of some of these religious and spiritual beliefs can be seen by clicking here. Science cannot evaluate such beliefs when there are no measurable evidence of their veracity.

However, much of the physical and behavioral evidence that led to such ancient beliefs can be found in the lives of people living today and those who have died leaving documented information about themselves and their behaviors. This experiment is the first-ever effort to treat the reincarnation phenomenon as a natural process that can and should be subjected to scientific analysis. For that reason alone, it provides a credible data base for interdisciplinary discussions and evaluations of the psychoplasm (or soul-genome) hypothesis.

A MOVE FROM SUBJECTIVE TO OBJECTIVE RESEARCH:

The objective evidence that led nature-oriented societies to postulate a process like reincarnation includes physical features and psychological factors. Facial architecture, body types, hair patterns, ear forms, hand-finger proportions, voice, and odor have been noted to correspond in two separate lifetimes. Some physical similarities also include special markings, birthmarks and deformities. Matching psychological traits include levels of mental development, emotional patterns, styles of interacting with others, and areas of creative interest.

All these factors seem to make up a psychoplasm (an information-rich, energetic field) that enfolds and animates the genomic material synthesized at conception. This projects hope to eventually test this concept by comparing a subject's relevant DNA sequences with the genome from his or her alleged previous incarnation.

Considerable empirical research now suggests that what a person accomplishes in terms of self-development and learning becomes the legacy his or her soul genome/psychoplasm transmits to the next generation.

Click here to see the forms that can be used to develop a scientific data base for a particular case. They can be used for one's own case or for someone else's.



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CLUES LEADING TO POSSIBLE PAST-LIVES

Many people receive hints of possible past lives that cannot be considered as definitive proof of reincarnation or of a specific past-life connection. Some come through extrasensory channels such as dreams, visions, intuitive feelings, or hypnosis. Some may come from other-dimensional sources such as psychic readings or through channeled messages from apparent disincarnate beings.

Since neither such sources nor the information from them can be accessed by independent observers, they provide only potential clues that require validation by third parties. Nevertheless, they should not be dismissed out-of-hand as they may lead to verifiable evidence to support the posited past-life connection.


Reincarnation Experiment - Paul Von Ward

Observations on reincarnation beliefs in history.


Peace!

Science CAN prove, if it CAN, unfortunately, as of TODAY, it is NOT YET ACCEPTED AS A GENERAL SCIENTIFIC FACT OR LAW. only in metaphysics and other paranormal studies is reincarnation being regarded as real. far from any scientific law. earning respect from the community, does not mean it has become a law. in the view of the scientific community, it is nothing more than a religious belief and a metaphysical doctrine.

[regnauld]

yes, he had done his research, unfortunately, it was not enough to MERIT A SCIENTIFIC LAW. again, you only proved my point that it cannot be considered a science. on the matter of Stevenson's "passing on the key", it isn't quite reliable. he could have paid somebody to "tutor" someone and get things going. it's that easy.


which means that they are also very easy to subjects for confabulation and selective thinking. LOL.


it's similar as saying: "whether or not you believe in HELL, it doesn't matter for you will definitely go to HELL my friend"


again, my present arguments are not based on the Bible. LOL. if you want to put it that way though, only people with thin understandings could interpret Jesus' words as such. a concept of death in Christianity is a "Final Judgment", which clearly opposes "cyclical rebirth". LOL.


Science CAN prove, if it CAN, unfortunately, as of TODAY, it is NOT YET ACCEPTED AS A GENERAL SCIENTIFIC FACT OR LAW. only in metaphysics and other paranormal studies is reincarnation being regarded as real. far from any scientific law. earning respect from the community, does not mean it has become a law. in the view of the scientific community, it is nothing more than a religious belief and a metaphysical doctrine.

You have a point. Don't worry mr. doubting Thomas, Reincarnation will become a scientific law (on material science) soon because of ongoing worldwide research! But it doesn't matter, this is not important spiritually speaking, for the uninitiated will always find the teaching of Jesus on Reincarnation mysterious and hidden. The lips of wisdom are sealed for only the gift of understanding are revealed to those who are ready to accept the truth!

[carmicael]

You have a point. Don't worry mr. doubting Thomas, Reincarnation will become a scientific law (on material science) soon because of ongoing worldwide research! But it doesn't matter, this is not important spiritually speaking, for the uninitiated will always find the teaching of Jesus on Reincarnation mysterious and hidden. The lips of wisdom are sealed for only the gift of understanding are revealed to those who are ready to accept the truth!

LOL. it wasn't a debate on MY PERSONAL BELIEF on reincarnation. rather, it was a counter-argument to what you have previously mentioned "REINCARNATION IS ALREADY PROVEN BY SCIENCE". the spiritual truth about reincarnation is not for me to judge.

[regnauld]

LOL. it wasn't a debate on MY PERSONAL BELIEF on reincarnation. rather, it was a counter-argument to what you have previously mentioned "REINCARNATION IS ALREADY PROVEN BY SCIENCE". the spiritual truth about reincarnation is not for me to judge.

Yes it was already proven such as in the research of Dr. Ian Stevenson and others and the scientific community in general was not ready yet. Not really a big problem for him because Dr. Stevenson knew he was on the right track. His intention before was not really to prove if reincarnation was true but to disprove it. See? It was not his intention to study about reincarnation but to disprove it because he was a great skeptic like you do. If reincarnation was not true then how come hundreds of research are going on around the world if it were not for the pioneering research of Dr. Ian Stevenson? Was his work in vain? NO. It was perhaps his greatest legacy studying reincarnation for forty years.

Thank you Dr. Ian Stevenson for your wonderful legacy! May these skeptics be converted as you do not only scientifically but spiritually as well!

Peace!

[Soul Doctor]

It is not about believing.
It is about understanding.

When you open your mind, you start to understand.

As a teacher, this is what I ask of my students.
I ask them to open their minds.
It is the only way they can learn.
A person with a close mind is unteachable.
He will have difficulty understanding simple things.

Sometimes what we believe is not necessarily true, is it?

A kid believes he is the son of his father.
But, he noticed he looked very different with his father and mother.
He looked more like his dad's best friend.
The father believe that he is the kid's dad.
But only the mother knows the truth.

My point here is.
We can't be too sure, to say that reincarnation is a fact or not.
But as we see things, we start to understand.
We open our minds to new concept, to see if this concept can be true.
We ask questions,
then think,
and we ask some more questions
then we think some more.
Thats the process.