@superbisdak
bro..salamat sa imong reply..i do love debating with you kai unlike other theists who tends to resort to "mud slinging" in order to point out facts..anyway i've read your post bro..and there's only one teeny weeny problem about it..i believe sakto ka and i accept that i should recant and repent...BUT in order for me to do this is i have to play in your playground..meaning i have to accept all the rules in it..allow me to elaborate on this by taking your race story as an example....
indeed mureklamo jd ko nga nganong nkadaug to sya sa race..and you said that there's this law governing the proper way to achieve salvation and stuff..BUT the problem lang bro is this...i don't adhere to such rules or anything..i am an atheist i don't believe in any god..and therefore i don't recognize any rules, situations or circumstances that concerns with a divine being...first off i don't believe in everlasting life..i only believe that the goodness of men can only be quantified and measured by the acts of goodness that they themselves do in order to back up their claim that they are good..other than that i don't believe it..so that's why kini atong gamai nga sturya dli mulungtad..kai i can't accept these rules of yours..you may call me arrogant or anything..i don't take offense in it kai basically i am arrogant and heretical in your standards because you adhere to roman catholic or any religious laws or standards..but in my opinion i am not being arrogant i just presented stuff in your book that's..in my opinion conflicting...
Matthew 7:21-23 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
the people nga gi focus ani na passage are either idiots or *****s...why?..simple nganong mangayo man silag everlasting life if they don't believe in god..cguro these people are theists pero ilaha lang gi deny ang ginoo but still theists..if you're talking about atheists...then that's another story..how can an atheist ask for an everlasting life?..atheists don't believe in god..AND any rules or situations that has G-O-D written on it..so this focuses only on theists nga maldito..ug hypcrite..
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
this passage..has confirmed my thoughts..so you mean to say bro..every good and every positive actions that we had done we're nothing more than dusts in the wind? if we don't believe in god?..hmmm no wonder it was so easy to kill muslims and kill unbelievers during the Crusades and the Inquisition..i just can't accept this bro..so you mean to say that ANY organization that HELPS poverty, hunger and other negative stuff is INVALID if all the members and organizers don't believe in god?..what if these people aren't out to impress god?..but rather they just want to help people is that soo very wrong??..and you say that i only focus on acts..ang2x that's the only thing that can generate changes in our world bro gd..believing in god doesn't help alleviate poverty or hunger...doing good whether you're a christian or not DO CHANGES things but they are all human acts..AND they DO GENERATE CHANGES...i just don't see the wisdom bro..we have been praying to stop hunger and poverty BUT it doesn't do a bit to alleviate hunger or poverty unless PEOPLE ACT into it..so how can you say that human acts are irrellevant?
1 Samuel 16:7a ...for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.
dli ko mutuo ani bro...not unless if i add ni nga line sa last part sa passage...."..and if man beliveth in god." KAI...walai bili imong goodness if dli ka mutuo nya and the goodness of your heart won't matter if you don't believe in god...and this passage confirms it..
Isaiah 64:6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
kung ikaw kaha example, nag-apil kag marathon. Unya nagsubay ka sa tanang rules, regulations ug mga requirements. unya dunay usa pod ka runner nga wala nag comply, butang nato, instead nga mosubay sya sa gikatakda nga track nagshortcut hinoon siya. Ug tapos sa maong contest, butang lang nato, nakauna lang siya ug pipila ka tikang sa finish line. ang pangutana karon, fair kaha alang nimo kung siya maoy paga-ilhon nga mananaug?
Dinhi sab sa kalibutan, samtang buhi pa ang mga tawo naghikyad ang Ginoo sa mga lagda bahin sa kaluwasan sa kalag sa tawo. Kung tinguha nato nga makabaton sa pahalipay nan mosubay gyud kita sa mga lagda nga gipahimutang nang daan.
sakto ni bro..sakto kaayo pero it only caters to theists like you..i don't adhere to any rule that has god in it..thus i don't believe in an everlasting life either.
all in all the most basic ingredient..in my opinion...to be able to do a valid good is that i should adhere to christianism..and also to repent and magpakumbaba and to do this..i have to believe in god..right?..bro wla man tai padulngan bro..i can't play in your playground and you can't play in mine..you can't impose laws that i don't acknowledge..so does you..but it's an honor to have had this debate...pirmaninteha na imong approach to atheists like me..and not like others who tend to resort to "mud slinging"