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    Quote Originally Posted by amingb View Post
    According sa Vatican when infant die he/she go directly to Heaven, no need na e baptized.
    how about the presence of original sin no one can go to heaven with sin, of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaed121907 View Post
    how about the presence of original sin no one can go to heaven without sin, of course.

    How come original sin? Who originated this concept?

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Where did this original sin come from? Adam and Eve? I think the church has to evolve from that mythical story!
    what a comment....you really love to debate don't you? why would RC wants to change something that is written in the bible? wa sad kay lingaw bro?

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    “Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
    Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
    Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
    - Annie Dillard.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Alel View Post
    “Eskimo: "If I did not know about God and sin, would I go to hell?"
    Priest: "No, not if you did not know."
    Eskimo: "Then why did you tell me?"
    - Annie Dillard.

    Lesson: It is better to remain ignorant than know and go to HELL!

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Lesson: It is better to remain ignorant than know and go to HELL!
    Isn't that presupposing that the theological concept of Hell truly exist?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alel View Post
    Isn't that presupposing that the theological concept of Hell truly exist?
    NO. There is no such thing as hell in the ultimate sense. It is just a poor tool/concept that religions are using for man to improve his lot. In Psychology, this is motivation by FEAR (HELL) rather than motivation by desire (HEAVEN)
    Last edited by regnauld; 01-28-2009 at 10:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    NO. There is no such thing as hell in the ultimate sense. It is just a poor tool/concept that religions are using for man to improve his lot. In Psychology, this is motivation by FEAR (HELL) rather than motivation by desire (HEAVEN)
    According sa among Values Formation nga subject, these method of inculcating values are called satiation (satisfying or gratifying a particular need) and avoidance of punishment (such a warning, threat, scolding, critism, deprivation of previledge, physical infliction & other negative acts.)

    Another thing worth noting, is that there is another form of value inculcation called indoctrination (sounds familiar?), which is defined as "making the person accept an idea by psychological manipulation, usually under the administration of drugs or physical coercion."

    It really makes sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaed121907 View Post
    how about the presence of original sin no one can go to heaven with sin, of course.
    We cannot inherit the Sin of our Parents, kanang mga infant ug kanang mga Retarded they are Pure, they go directly to Heaven.

    Bag-o mana nga Balaod sa Vatican when infants die they go to Heaven not in Limbo, as far as i can remember its long overdue about 1 century old debates in Vatican last year lang na approved.

    I am a protestant and im Happy nga na approved na sa Vatican.

    I Dont believe in Limbo ug Kanang Original Sin nga ma inherit sa tawo.

    Ezekiel 18:20. "The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him."

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    Quote Originally Posted by regnauld View Post
    Lesson: It is better to remain ignorant than know and go to HELL!
    Ang maka pa alaot sa tawo mao ang iyang pagka mapasegarbohon nga daghan xag nahibaw-an.. i think this is better than that

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