Do you believe in Reincarnation?

[Pein]

sir pien according to this concept of rebirth, reincarnation is necessary to be able to attain perfection to whatever degree,,. although as what you said god will determine the quality of perfection and i guess it can be arranged as long as god will not be offended(i hope my understanding of the verses is correct).so in other words reincarnation is not necessary..what if pien i believe god and follow his will according to the holy book but it so happen that im a budhist or a hindu, will i still be qualified for perfection? or be saved perhaps?

kung budhist ka or hindu, or bisan pa ganig wala ka nakabalita ug Ginoo, naay pamaagi ang Ginoo para ka maluwas. atong ibutang sa atong huna huna nga ang gusto sa Ginoo, kung mahimo tanang tawo maluwas.

1Ti 2:4 Whose desire is that all men may have salvation and come to the knowledge of what is true.

kung kintahay usa ka ka hindu, unsa may pamaagi sa Ginoo para maluwas ka?

kani na bro:

Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged as having righteousness before God, but only the doers:

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles without the law have a natural desire to do the things in the law, they are a law to themselves;

Rom 2:15 Because the work of the law is seen in their hearts, their sense of right and wrong giving witness to it, while their minds are at one time judging them and at another giving them approval;

ang Ginoo bro, nagbutang sa atong kasingkasing ug balaod. bisan pag wala kay nadunggan nga maayong balita, kahibaw ka kung unsay maayo ug dili. example: ang balaod sa Ginoo nag ingon, "Thou shalt not kill", kintahay ikaw wala ka nakadungog anang balaura kay tingali naa ka sa bukid, pero wala ka nakapatay ug tawo, bisan pag wala kay nadunggan ana nga balaod pero imong gibuhat, credited nana bro nga imong gibuhat ang mga butang nga under sa law kay "For it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged as having righteousness before God, but only the doers".

i hope you get my point...

[flying fish]

nope, because you're not ADD, mr. fish.

really mr. hell, masinabtanon siguro na ginoo oi,, sir pien do i really have to be a member to a particular bible based christian church aron ko maka attain ug perfection & malowas? what if lagi ang akong namat-an budhism unya mga maayo mi nga mga tawo, we dont step on other peoples rights & it so happen walaa lang gyud mi silingan na christians, ma hell gihapon ko?

[regnauld]

Our brother MR. BIBLE SCHOLAR was not able to disprove the doctrine of REINCARNATION and I'm so sad because he is a BIBLE SCHOLAR after all!

[Pein]

Am I mad at you Mr. BIBLE SCHOLAR? Don't you see my smile ? I have already cited before you the biblical verses regarding reincarnation but you were not able to comprehend it because you have a limited understanding. I thought you are a BIBLE SCHOLAR! Do You still remember I told you that the game is over because you had not cited any biblical verses or evidence to refute reincarnation? Even one verse mr. bIBLE SCHOLAR you were not able to cite. I had cited lots of evidences from SCIENCE, BIBLE and HISTORICAL FACTS but you didn't cite any evidence at all. How could that be?

My solid evidences to back up reincarnation

1. The Scientific Proof of Reincarnation done by Dr. Stevenson and other worldwide research centers - You were not able to refute the 3000 documented cases. were you?

2. BIBLICAL verses from the BIBLE - you had not cited any verse from the bible to refute the meaning of reincarnation!

3. HISTORICAL FACTs - you were not able to present any document to refute the teachings of Origen and others and the early christians who were the GNOSTICS.

My Solid Conclusion from this argument: THE BIBLE SCHOLAR WAS NOT ABLE TO DISPROVE REINCARNATION OR PREEXISTENCE!!! BETTER LUCK NET TIME! THE GAME IS OVER!

ikaw ang game over bro. all i want from you is a biblical verses especially from the apostles or evangelists that can support Origen's teachings but you did not even posted even a single verse! and you are saying that I am the one who is game over? hahahahaha! you make me laugh my brother. it is very obvious who got owned in our discussions...

[regnauld]

kung budhist ka or hindu, or bisan pa ganig wala ka nakabalita ug Ginoo, naay pamaagi ang Ginoo para ka maluwas. atong ibutang sa atong huna huna nga ang gusto sa Ginoo, kung mahimo tanang tawo maluwas.

1Ti 2:4 Whose desire is that all men may have salvation and come to the knowledge of what is true.

kung kintahay usa ka ka hindu, unsa may pamaagi sa Ginoo para maluwas ka?

kani na bro:

Rom 2:13 For it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged as having righteousness before God, but only the doers:

Rom 2:14 For when the Gentiles without the law have a natural desire to do the things in the law, they are a law to themselves;

Rom 2:15 Because the work of the law is seen in their hearts, their sense of right and wrong giving witness to it, while their minds are at one time judging them and at another giving them approval;

ang Ginoo bro, nagbutang sa atong kasingkasing ug balaod. bisan pag wala kay nadunggan nga maayong balita, kahibaw ka kung unsay maayo ug dili. example: ang balaod sa Ginoo nag ingon, "Thou shalt not kill", kintahay ikaw wala ka nakadungog anang balaura kay tingali naa ka sa bukid, pero wala ka nakapatay ug tawo, bisan pag wala kay nadunggan ana nga balaod pero imong gibuhat, credited nana bro nga imong gibuhat ang mga butang nga under sa law kay "For it is not the hearers of the law who will be judged as having righteousness before God, but only the doers".

i hope you get my point...

Mr. BIBLE SCHOLAR I think you have contradicted yourself: Look at this verse:

Salvation is "in Christ Jesus". We are, Paul says, "baptized into Christ Jesus." Thus if there is no baptism, there is no being in Christ Jesus, and no salvation which is found only in Christ Jesus.

Question: How can Hindus, muslims, buddhists and other religions be saved if they are not baptized in Christ?

Paul says in Rom. 6:3, "as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus" so he says the same thing again that he had said in Gal. 3:26-27. One is baptized into Christ. Salvation is in Christ.

[flying fish]

ah ok, im comfortable with that verse kay its more of what you do that matters the most, so malangit ra gihapon ko pien bisan ug budhist ko nga nitoo ug reincarnation? kay kung merit lang sa pagka compassionate grabi ang emphasis sa budhist ana, vegetarian man gani sila cause they dont want to inflect unnecessaary painj to all creatures.. so ok ra pien sa imo tan-aw kung motoo ko ug reincarnation as long as my deeds qualifies that of the DOERS?

[bluedes]

OT: wow, ma-init na discussion.. pwede ma-join? hehe

[Pein]

Our brother MR. BIBLE SCHOLAR was not able to disprove the doctrine of REINCARNATION and I'm so sad because he is a BIBLE SCHOLAR after all!

our brother regnauld here was not able to show even a single verse from the apostles or evangelists that will support Origen's teachings. I am very sorry but I cannot accept Origen's doctrine if nobody from the apostles of evangelists supported him because of this verse:

Gal 1:8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach to you a gospel that is different from the one we preached to you, may he be condemned to hell!

Origen's doctrine about reincarnation was different from the doctrines of the apostles and evangelists that were taught to them by Jesus Christ.

my conclusion: Origen's doctrine is a False Doctrine.

[regnauld]

ah ok, im comfortable with that verse kay its more of what you do that matters the most, so malangit ra gihapon ko pien bisan ug budhist ko nga nitoo ug reincarnation? kay kung merit lang sa pagka compassionate grabi ang emphasis sa budhist ana, vegetarian man gani sila cause they dont want to inflect unnecessaary painj to all creatures.. so ok ra pien sa imo tan-aw kung motoo ko ug reincarnation as long as my deeds qualifies that of the DOERS?

Dili ka malangit lagi flying fish kay look at this verse

Paul says in Rom. 6:3, "as many of us as were baptized into Christ Jesus" so he says the same thing again that he had said in Gal. 3:26-27. One is baptized into Christ. Salvation is in Christ.

Salvation is "in Christ Jesus". We are, Paul says, "baptized into Christ Jesus." Thus if there is no baptism, there is no being in Christ Jesus, and no salvation which is found only in Christ Jesus.

So MA HELL LAGI KA FLYING FISH kay wala kay baptism!! asa na si pein nag contradict na iya mga verses!!! hahahaha

[regnauld]

MR. BIBLE SCHOLAR where are you now? You have just contradicted yourself! I hope you can defend it using your brilliant mind!