Second Look on Islam

[tribu]

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These sounds familiar...I think Ive also read this somewhere else.

Tribu, dili ba familiar pud nimo Bro?

I know this will ring a bell nimo Bro Tribu. Ohhw, I guess you ARE scared that it will ring a bell, are you? But hey, it does ring a bell, does it?

And owhh, it also threatens your beliefs, does it?

Waiting what your defense mechanism will be,
Alel

scared? scared of what? if there's anything we should be scared of, we should be scared of islam dominating the world because it would mean the end of human freedom and harmony between people of different faith. islam is the most intolerant religion. all you need to do is go the islamic countries and check their laws. even among themselves you could see murder and terrorism. shias againts sunnis against sufis. and they've been fighting each other for centuries. when they are not busy fighting the kuffars and the dhimmis, they're busy fighting their fellows muslims who they consider as heretics.

since this is a second look at islam. maybe we could study these points raised by an ex-muslim:


What is written in these books is too crazy for words. Many practices that we consider as immoral in the 21st century have been permitted by Muhammad.

I have found the following issues very disturbing:

1- Muhammad was keeping slaves and made trade in them. This means that slavery is part of Islam forever. Slavery has only been abolished in muslim countries under Western pressure. Therefor slavery can be reinstated at any time. Islamic legislation concerning slavery is being reprinted up till today by the main schools of Islam, so that scholars are aware of it. Furthermore Islam allows female slaves and female prisoners of war to be raped on condition that well-established rules are followed.

Muhammad himself encouraged this, see the following authentic tradition/hadith transmitted by Muslim. The title of chapter 29 is already very revealing:

Book 8, Chapter 29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

2-The humiliating position of women; they cannot decide whom they get married to and can be divorced any time without any formality.

... or can be exchanged for another woman. Quran 4:20 says: “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?”

Women have to obey their husbands and if the husband fears she will not obey she may be beaten. Quran 4:34. " Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Note: "beat them (fem. pl.)" in Arabic, is often translated by "discipline her" or “scourge her” because the translator is obviously too ashamed to use the word beating.

One of the 4 schools of Islam, namely the Shafi'i school states without shame that the only duty of a woman is to sexually satisfy her husband. Through her dowry he gets a one-off payment. This reminds me of the oldest profession in the world. Scholars of the Shafi'i school do not make this up. They simply learn this from the Quran:

Quran 4:24. “...Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed...”

Quran 4:20. “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?

Quran 4:21. “And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant?

This also has been confirmed by authentic traditions of Muhammad, which clearly state that the dowry is only linked to sexual intercourse with the husband. If he divorces her after having sexual intercourse even only once, he loses this money. (Muslim, Book 9, number 3557.)

3- the killing of apostates: most Muslims and non-Muslims think this is an anomaly. They are wrong. This practice is not only in the collective memory of the population in muslim countries, but all shariah handbooks tell the same story. Everyone who has studied Islam seriously knows that Shariah prescribes the death penalty for apostates. This is based on the authentic traditions of Muhammad who said:

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)

and

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

In most Islamic countries the death penalty for apostasy is not applied because this is an inhumane law. In these countries however apostates are harassed administratively by all possible means or are punished in one way or another. In the so-called moderate Muslim country Malaysia they have sent a woman to a psychiatric institution and her child has been taken away from her because she had turned away from Islam and became a Hindu. Fortunately she lives in "moderate" Malaysia. If she were living in Saudi-Arabia, she would be beheaded.

4- polygamy as legalized adultery. Contrary to what some Muslim(a)s claim, polygamy is not an exceptional situation and the first wife does not need to give permission. The man has the unconditional right to 4 wives if he gives them a dowry according to their status and if he can provide for them. Women who don’t grant this right to their husbands are ungrateful and therefore they will go to hell. This is described in the tradition of Muhammad narrated by Muslim in Book 1, Number 142.

5- the call of the Quran and Muhammad for eternal war until Islam is the dominant system everywhere (see above)

6- the inhumane punishments for theft and adultery with the idea in mind (Tradition by Muslim in Book 1, Number 171) that Allah can forgive anything except worshipping other gods besides Him. If one says that Jesus is the Son of God one goes to hell, but when one commits theft or adultery and only believes in Allah one can go to heaven.

7- the double personality of Muhammad, who on one hand was completely reliable, beloved, patient, and even timid and who on the other hand encouraged killing, torture, robbing and rape.

8- the inconsistence of the Quran. It is hard to believe that this is the work of a Supreme Being. One has to be unbelievably brainwashed to think this is sublime. In Pakistan however, you will be beheaded if you throw the Quran in a waste-bin.

Many a Muslim will claim that what I have written has nothing to do with Islam and that all of it are culture-related issues. This is completely false. The situation of the Muslim has nothing to do with a so called backward culture in Islamic countries but has everything to do with true Islam itself.

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/ind...ticle&sid=2160

[Malic]

with all the noise made by anti-muslim groups,Islam still remain as the fastest growing religion in the world.

[Malic]

since this is a second look at islam. maybe we could study these points raised by an ex-muslim:


What is written in these books is too crazy for words. Many practices that we consider as immoral in the 21st century have been permitted by Muhammad.

I have found the following issues very disturbing:

1- Muhammad was keeping slaves and made trade in them. This means that slavery is part of Islam forever. Slavery has only been abolished in muslim countries under Western pressure. Therefor slavery can be reinstated at any time. Islamic legislation concerning slavery is being reprinted up till today by the main schools of Islam, so that scholars are aware of it. Furthermore Islam allows female slaves and female prisoners of war to be raped on condition that well-established rules are followed.

Muhammad himself encouraged this, see the following authentic tradition/hadith transmitted by Muslim. The title of chapter 29 is already very revealing:

Book 8, Chapter 29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

2-The humiliating position of women; they cannot decide whom they get married to and can be divorced any time without any formality.

... or can be exchanged for another woman. Quran 4:20 says: “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?”

Women have to obey their husbands and if the husband fears she will not obey she may be beaten. Quran 4:34. " Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Note: "beat them (fem. pl.)" in Arabic, is often translated by "discipline her" or “scourge her” because the translator is obviously too ashamed to use the word beating.

One of the 4 schools of Islam, namely the Shafi'i school states without shame that the only duty of a woman is to sexually satisfy her husband. Through her dowry he gets a one-off payment. This reminds me of the oldest profession in the world. Scholars of the Shafi'i school do not make this up. They simply learn this from the Quran:

Quran 4:24. “...Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed...”

Quran 4:20. “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?

Quran 4:21. “And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant?

This also has been confirmed by authentic traditions of Muhammad, which clearly state that the dowry is only linked to sexual intercourse with the husband. If he divorces her after having sexual intercourse even only once, he loses this money. (Muslim, Book 9, number 3557.)

3- the killing of apostates: most Muslims and non-Muslims think this is an anomaly. They are wrong. This practice is not only in the collective memory of the population in muslim countries, but all shariah handbooks tell the same story. Everyone who has studied Islam seriously knows that Shariah prescribes the death penalty for apostates. This is based on the authentic traditions of Muhammad who said:

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)

and

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

In most Islamic countries the death penalty for apostasy is not applied because this is an inhumane law. In these countries however apostates are harassed administratively by all possible means or are punished in one way or another. In the so-called moderate Muslim country Malaysia they have sent a woman to a psychiatric institution and her child has been taken away from her because she had turned away from Islam and became a Hindu. Fortunately she lives in "moderate" Malaysia. If she were living in Saudi-Arabia, she would be beheaded.

4- polygamy as legalized adultery. Contrary to what some Muslim(a)s claim, polygamy is not an exceptional situation and the first wife does not need to give permission. The man has the unconditional right to 4 wives if he gives them a dowry according to their status and if he can provide for them. Women who don’t grant this right to their husbands are ungrateful and therefore they will go to hell. This is described in the tradition of Muhammad narrated by Muslim in Book 1, Number 142.

5- the call of the Quran and Muhammad for eternal war until Islam is the dominant system everywhere (see above)

6- the inhumane punishments for theft and adultery with the idea in mind (Tradition by Muslim in Book 1, Number 171) that Allah can forgive anything except worshipping other gods besides Him. If one says that Jesus is the Son of God one goes to hell, but when one commits theft or adultery and only believes in Allah one can go to heaven.

7- the double personality of Muhammad, who on one hand was completely reliable, beloved, patient, and even timid and who on the other hand encouraged killing, torture, robbing and rape.

8- the inconsistence of the Quran. It is hard to believe that this is the work of a Supreme Being. One has to be unbelievably brainwashed to think this is sublime. In Pakistan however, you will be beheaded if you throw the Quran in a waste-bin.

Many a Muslim will claim that what I have written has nothing to do with Islam and that all of it are culture-related issues. This is completely false. The situation of the Muslim has nothing to do with a so called backward culture in Islamic countries but has everything to do with true Islam itself.

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/ind...ticle&sid=2160

What this guy forgot to copy paste is a statement made by this ex-muslim that goes like this..."When I proposed to my fiancé, she wanted me to convert to Islam, which I did. I realize now that it was not wise to convert to a religion, which I hardly knew anything about. So I converted to Islam without studying it carefully.

now we know why this guy is in total confusion because in the first place his motive to convert were mired by his desire to marry a muslim woman. tsk tsk,dont convert for the sake of marrying a muslim woman. Your heart is not pure if thats the case and youll find yourself in the state of confusion.



This tribu guy loves to quote from faithfreedom.org run by a certain Ali Sina,who was caught lying and fabricating stories about islam and Muhammad.

read this one..."Thousands of on-lookers witnessed this terrible humiliation of Ali Sina. Recently, Ali Sina was caught fabricating lies about ExamineTheTruth.com here. But this did not stop his pathological lying. In a recent Frontpagemag.com symposium, Ali Sina made the following allegation against The Prophet Muhammed (P):



“Another cuter story is when Muhammad raises his hand to beat a woman who rejects his advances. Bukhari 7.63.182”



So, we looked up Bukhari 7.63.182, and we were shocked at what we actually found. The hadeeth in question is posted below:



Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182:

Narrated Abu Usaid:

We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, "Sit here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, "Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift." She said, "Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, "I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family." Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541).





Thus, the hadeeth quoted by Ali Sina actually states that the Prophet (P) stretched out his hand to CALM the woman down, NOT to beat her as Ali Sina falsely stated!!! In addition to that, when the woman snubbed the Prophet (P), Prophet Muhammed (P) returned the rude gesture with kindness, a fine gift of linen dresses.

In conclusion, the internet phantom, Ali Sina has been busted in an outrageous lie again. There is no excuse of this type of uninhibited distortion of the facts. I believe at this point, even the most venomous critic against Islam, who support Ali Sina, will be forced to “throw in the towel”, and declare their own Ali Sina, as a dishonest charlatan.

[NASYO]

i know that there is a supreme being
it can be God, Allah or me or you

what we all need is not religion,
we only need respect

[rinnnie]

scared? scared of what? if there's anything we should be scared of, we should be scared of islam dominating the world because it would mean the end of human freedom and harmony between people of different faith. islam is the most intolerant religion. all you need to do is go the islamic countries and check their laws. even among themselves you could see murder and terrorism. shias againts sunnis against sufis. and they've been fighting each other for centuries. when they are not busy fighting the kuffars and the dhimmis, they're busy fighting their fellows muslims who they consider as heretics.

since this is a second look at islam. maybe we could study these points raised by an ex-muslim:


What is written in these books is too crazy for words. Many practices that we consider as immoral in the 21st century have been permitted by Muhammad.

I have found the following issues very disturbing:

1- Muhammad was keeping slaves and made trade in them. This means that slavery is part of Islam forever. Slavery has only been abolished in muslim countries under Western pressure. Therefor slavery can be reinstated at any time. Islamic legislation concerning slavery is being reprinted up till today by the main schools of Islam, so that scholars are aware of it. Furthermore Islam allows female slaves and female prisoners of war to be raped on condition that well-established rules are followed.

Muhammad himself encouraged this, see the following authentic tradition/hadith transmitted by Muslim. The title of chapter 29 is already very revealing:

Book 8, Chapter 29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Muslim, Book 8, Number 3432: “Abu Sa'id al-Khudri (may Allah be pleased with him) reported that at the Battle of Hunain Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) sent an army to Autas and encountered the enemy and fought with them. Having overcome them and taken them captives, the Companions of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) seemed to refrain from having intercourse with captive women because of their husbands being polytheists. Then Allah, Most High, sent down regarding that:" And women already married, except those whom your right hands possess (verse 4:24)" (i. e. they were lawful for them when their 'Idda period came to an end).”

2-The humiliating position of women; they cannot decide whom they get married to and can be divorced any time without any formality.

... or can be exchanged for another woman. Quran 4:20 says: “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?”

Women have to obey their husbands and if the husband fears she will not obey she may be beaten. Quran 4:34. " Men are the maintainers of women because Allah has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as Allah has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely Allah is High, Great."

Note: "beat them (fem. pl.)" in Arabic, is often translated by "discipline her" or “scourge her” because the translator is obviously too ashamed to use the word beating.

One of the 4 schools of Islam, namely the Shafi'i school states without shame that the only duty of a woman is to sexually satisfy her husband. Through her dowry he gets a one-off payment. This reminds me of the oldest profession in the world. Scholars of the Shafi'i school do not make this up. They simply learn this from the Quran:

Quran 4:24. “...Then as to those whom you profit by, give them their dowries as appointed...”

Quran 4:20. “And if you wish to have (one) wife in place of another and you have given one of them a heap of gold, then take not from it anything; would you take it by slandering (her) and (doing her) manifest wrong?

Quran 4:21. “And how can you take it when one of you has already gone in to the other and they have made with you a firm covenant?

This also has been confirmed by authentic traditions of Muhammad, which clearly state that the dowry is only linked to sexual intercourse with the husband. If he divorces her after having sexual intercourse even only once, he loses this money. (Muslim, Book 9, number 3557.)

3- the killing of apostates: most Muslims and non-Muslims think this is an anomaly. They are wrong. This practice is not only in the collective memory of the population in muslim countries, but all shariah handbooks tell the same story. Everyone who has studied Islam seriously knows that Shariah prescribes the death penalty for apostates. This is based on the authentic traditions of Muhammad who said:

"If somebody (a Muslim) discards his religion, kill him." (Bukhari, Book 52, Number 260)

and

"The blood of a Muslim who confesses that none has the right to be worshipped but Allah and that I am His Apostle, cannot be shed except in three cases: In Qisas for murder, a married person who commits illegal sexual intercourse and the one who reverts from Islam (apostate) and leaves the Muslims." (Bukhari, Book 83 Number 17)

In most Islamic countries the death penalty for apostasy is not applied because this is an inhumane law. In these countries however apostates are harassed administratively by all possible means or are punished in one way or another. In the so-called moderate Muslim country Malaysia they have sent a woman to a psychiatric institution and her child has been taken away from her because she had turned away from Islam and became a Hindu. Fortunately she lives in "moderate" Malaysia. If she were living in Saudi-Arabia, she would be beheaded.

4- polygamy as legalized adultery. Contrary to what some Muslim(a)s claim, polygamy is not an exceptional situation and the first wife does not need to give permission. The man has the unconditional right to 4 wives if he gives them a dowry according to their status and if he can provide for them. Women who don’t grant this right to their husbands are ungrateful and therefore they will go to hell. This is described in the tradition of Muhammad narrated by Muslim in Book 1, Number 142.

5- the call of the Quran and Muhammad for eternal war until Islam is the dominant system everywhere (see above)

6- the inhumane punishments for theft and adultery with the idea in mind (Tradition by Muslim in Book 1, Number 171) that Allah can forgive anything except worshipping other gods besides Him. If one says that Jesus is the Son of God one goes to hell, but when one commits theft or adultery and only believes in Allah one can go to heaven.

7- the double personality of Muhammad, who on one hand was completely reliable, beloved, patient, and even timid and who on the other hand encouraged killing, torture, robbing and rape.

8- the inconsistence of the Quran. It is hard to believe that this is the work of a Supreme Being. One has to be unbelievably brainwashed to think this is sublime. In Pakistan however, you will be beheaded if you throw the Quran in a waste-bin.

Many a Muslim will claim that what I have written has nothing to do with Islam and that all of it are culture-related issues. This is completely false. The situation of the Muslim has nothing to do with a so called backward culture in Islamic countries but has everything to do with true Islam itself.

http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/ind...ticle&sid=2160

MY GOD!

I knew mohammad was crazy to teach islam but I never realized the teaching was so demented!
Only stupid, foolish, people would follow such teachings!

BUANG MO TANAN MGA MUSLIM!!!

[2tdruid]

Ai paita sad nimo bai, bag-o pa ka balik gkan muted user then moni imong first post. I thought mo side ka nako on this one.

I am not saying that I disagree with you... in fact I do believe that the religion most qualified to be the religion of the Antichrist is Islam... what I don't like is your frequent outburst that sounds so idiotic... post with reason and not with your temper.

I give you credit though, if not for your previous outbursts... some of the critics of islam here may not get the courage to post their views... just keep your temper down.

Tribu... I salute your posts... you really showed us what islam trully is. A lot of people here who does not have the spirit of christ within them, criticize you and mock you even though it is quite clear that islam as a religion is violent and dangerous. I am not one who has gifts to expose this religion... but I wan't you to know that I am one who listens.


Malic... I have one question... "If we are in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, and I would say in your face that mohammad is gay." what would you do to me?

[Pein]

karon pako nakahibaw nga dili diay mutuo ug Holy Spirit ning mga Muslim. pero mutuo daw sila ug "virgin birth" parehas sa nahitabo ni Jesus Christ.

kung dili mo mutuo ug Holy Spirit, giunsa man pagkabuntis ni Mary?

hmmmmm...kontra kontra na ang doctrine nila...hehehehehehe!

[tribu]

What this guy forgot to copy paste is a statement made by this ex-muslim that goes like this..."When I proposed to my fiancé, she wanted me to convert to Islam, which I did. I realize now that it was not wise to convert to a religion, which I hardly knew anything about. So I converted to Islam without studying it carefully.

now we know why this guy is in total confusion because in the first place his motive to convert were mired by his desire to marry a muslim woman. tsk tsk,dont convert for the sake of marrying a muslim woman. Your heart is not pure if thats the case and youll find yourself in the state of confusion.



This tribu guy loves to quote from faithfreedom.org run by a certain Ali Sina,who was caught lying and fabricating stories about islam and Muhammad.

read this one..."Thousands of on-lookers witnessed this terrible humiliation of Ali Sina. Recently, Ali Sina was caught fabricating lies about ExamineTheTruth.com here. But this did not stop his pathological lying. In a recent Frontpagemag.com symposium, Ali Sina made the following allegation against The Prophet Muhammed (P):



“Another cuter story is when Muhammad raises his hand to beat a woman who rejects his advances. Bukhari 7.63.182”



So, we looked up Bukhari 7.63.182, and we were shocked at what we actually found. The hadeeth in question is posted below:



Volume 7, Book 63, Number 182:

Narrated Abu Usaid:

We went out with the Prophet to a garden called Ash-Shaut till we reached two walls between which we sat down. The Prophet said, "Sit here," and went in (the garden). The Jauniyya (a lady from Bani Jaun) had been brought and lodged in a house in a date-palm garden in the home of Umaima bint An-Nu'man bin Sharahil, and her wet nurse was with her. When the Prophet entered upon her, he said to her, "Give me yourself (in marriage) as a gift." She said, "Can a princess give herself in marriage to an ordinary man?" The Prophet raised his hand to pat her so that she might become tranquil. She said, "I seek refuge with Allah from you." He said, "You have sought refuge with One Who gives refuge. Then the Prophet came out to us and said, "O Abu Usaid! Give her two white linen dresses to wear and let her go back to her family." Narrated Sahl and Abu Usaid: The Prophet married Umaima bint Sharahil, and when she was brought to him, he stretched his hand towards her. It seemed that she disliked that, whereupon the Prophet ordered Abu Usaid to prepare her and to provide her with two white linen dresses. (See Hadith No. 541).





Thus, the hadeeth quoted by Ali Sina actually states that the Prophet (P) stretched out his hand to CALM the woman down, NOT to beat her as Ali Sina falsely stated!!! In addition to that, when the woman snubbed the Prophet (P), Prophet Muhammed (P) returned the rude gesture with kindness, a fine gift of linen dresses.

In conclusion, the internet phantom, Ali Sina has been busted in an outrageous lie again. There is no excuse of this type of uninhibited distortion of the facts. I believe at this point, even the most venomous critic against Islam, who support Ali Sina, will be forced to “throw in the towel”, and declare their own Ali Sina, as a dishonest charlatan.

and yet no muslim can give us a solid airtight answer to those simple questions raised by ali sina. all that the muslim had to do is posts a good answer to show us that sina is wrong when he said muhamad is a pedophile, terrorist, narcissist, sadistic, deranged psycopath. we want to hear the muslim's answer to his challenge because he had proofs from the hadith and the quran to backup his words.

I am not saying that I disagree with you... in fact I do believe that the religion most qualified to be the religion of the Antichrist is Islam... what I don't like is your frequent outburst that sounds so idiotic... post with reason and not with your temper.

I give you credit though, if not for your previous outbursts... some of the critics of islam here may not get the courage to post their views... just keep your temper down.

Tribu... I salute your posts... you really showed us what islam trully is. A lot of people here who does not have the spirit of christ within them, criticize you and mock you even though it is quite clear that islam as a religion is violent and dangerous. I am not one who has gifts to expose this religion... but I wan't you to know that I am one who listens.


Malic... I have one question... "If we are in Pakistan or Saudi Arabia, and I would say in your face that mohammad is gay." what would you do to me?

i am here to tell people what i discovered. it's for them to check the veracity of the information i posted. i believe that many like me (in the past) were just being indifferent, we don't really care until something happens. sometimes we just want to be politically correct and sometimes we just fear the muslim's violent reaction because they are known for violence, they even killed some catholics when the catholic pope said that muhamad is a terrorist abnd is evil. in the same manner, the europeans too are now becoming more interested in knowing what real islam is. and the indians too because of the violent danish cartoon protest and the mumbai attack. magpakabana ayaw na padala sa maayong istorya kay ilaron ra ka.

[2tdruid]

Here is another question Malic... If you were to follow the teachings of quran... was the bombing of the world trade center and the recent violence in India justified?

[Malic]

and yet no muslim can give us a solid airtight answer to those simple questions raised by ali sina. all that the muslim had to do is posts a good answer to show us that sina is wrong when he said muhamad is a pedophile, terrorist, narcissist, sadistic, deranged psycopath. we want to hear the muslim's answer to his challenge because he had proofs from the hadith and the quran to backup his words.

Thats not true. Ali Sina was challenged by the muslim scholars for a debate unfortunately this phantom ran away.

By the way sir,Ali Sina is a phantom name. We dont really know his real name. We cant trust someone like that,if you think you are right why hide your identity?

"After suffering humiliating defeat after defeat, Ali Sina, as well as all of his goons on the FaithFreedom.org website have run way from this challenge to debate Islam. Some of FaithFreedom.org’s embarrassed supporters offered the excuse that Ali Sina is concerned about his safety, that is why he will not accept this public challenge for debate. However, Ali Sina knows very well that these debates can be done 100% anonymously using Chat | Chat Rooms | Paltalk. In fact, palktalk.com allows us to invite thousands of people to attend the debate from all over the world. Therefore, we are left with no other conclusion other than Ali Sina is a coward and deceiver, and knows very well that he would be *exposed* very badly if he ever dares to publicly challenge the Islamic apologists. We are ready to set up this debate at anytime, please contact me at: Nadir@ExamineTheTruth.com"