Legalize Abortion?

[mannyamador]

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Yes, Galileo was not excommunicated, he stand on trial for heresy that is why he have to recant. isnt recanting simmilar to renewal of obiedience and statement of repentance which are resolutions for excommunication.

No. He wasn't excommunicated, so whatever recantation he made was NOT for resolution of excommunication. Any "similarity" ends there.

Was heliocentrism declared a heresy? The majority of the tribunal thought it was heretical, but that was an immediately controversial decision since, in fact, the Catholic Church NEVER had any such dogma that declared heliocentrism as heretical. Church tribunals -- even papal tribunals -- do NOT have the authority to define doctrine/dogma. That's why the apology was made. The tribunal clearly overstepped its authority in that it was effectively declaring something as heretical when it was not.

You disagree? Kindly show me a single ex cathedra papal statement or a declaration by a Church Council on heliocentrism. In case you don't know, those are the two formal Church authorities that can define Church doctrine. The only other one is the "ordinary magisterium", but that involves the bishops all over the world teaching the same thing (I am, of course, oversimplifying the concept). Papal tribunals, courts, cardinals, and the body that tried Galileo, do NOT have such authority.

The Galileo Affair
By George Sim Johnston
http://www.catholiceducation.org/art...ld/wh0005.html

Galileo was finally condemned by the Holy Office as “vehemently suspected of heresy.” The choice of words was debatable, as Copernicanism had never been declared heretical by either the ordinary or extraordinary Magisterium of the Church...

Galileo's condemnation was certainly unjust, but in no way impugns the infallibility of Catholic dogma. Heliocentricism was never declared a heresy by either ex cathedra pronouncement or an ecumenical council. And as the Pontifical Commission points out, the sentence of 1633 was not irreformable. Galileo's works were eventually removed from the Index and in 1822, at the behest of Pius VII, the Holy Office granted an imprimatur to the work of Canon Settele, in which Copernicanism was presented as a physical fact and no longer as an hypothesis.

Case closed. If you still want to make this discredited point, you had better find a better example.

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

hey manny do you know someone who did terminate their pregnancy? or someone who did actually had an unwanted pregnancy?

have you talked to real women with real problems on this issue?

you always underline Murder, ergo making abortion a sin. Personally, I think Abortion is a sin. But why do I want to legalize it? It is not to goad them to have an abortion, but as I see it its the only way women can be protected, women will not fear to make choices.

Abortion is a sad story. although you so much underline the word murder would you consider it still murder when the child was 12 years old and raped by her own father and got pregnant? would you like her to live her life and miss her adolescent which you probably enjoyed? would you robbed her of that when she was already robbed of her innocence?


Pro-choice, not pro-abortion, is pro-women. We do not judge people by choices they made, we do not call them murderers. I think that they are people who made a mistake and just want to take their life back. Its a personal war. Its either strong love for their own self and ambitions or the life of an unwanted child. As like as any war your main goal is self--preservation and survival. Humans define their own existence.

Its not our to place to judge. Life is full of irony, you might find yourself in their place.

Im sleepy and this is getting boring since I belive everything is relative and nothing ia absolute and I belive we define our own reality. You win.

[mannyamador]

hey manny do you know someone who did terminate their pregnancy? or someone who did actually had an unwanted pregnancy? have you talked to real women with real problems on this issue?

Yes. Quite a number actually. Do you know many?

I think Abortion is a sin. But why do I want to legalize it? It is not to goad them to have an abortion, but as I see it its the only way women can be protected, women will not fear to make choices.

We all SHOULD fear to make certain decisions. For example, we should be afraid to steal public funds; we should be afraid to blow up a neighbor's house; we should be afraid kill the innocent. So why should a woman be protected when she is MURDERING another innocent human being (aside from herself)? Why should she get some special privilege to kill innocent people? No one else is allowed to murder others so they can "enjoy their adolescence". Why should these women get that license to murder? Ano yan, James Bond, 007?

Abortion is a sad story. although you so much underline the word murder would you consider it still murder when the child was 12 years old and raped by her own father and got pregnant? would you like her to live her life and miss her adolescent which you probably enjoyed? would you robbed her of that when she was already robbed of her innocence?

Let's take it one step further. Suppose the child was already born. It would still be a big problem for her to support, nurture, educate, and feed the child, right? So since it gives her the same problems as an unborn child, why not kill the already born infant child? It's her choice after all, isn't it?

That's what happens when you value choice above other's lives. If you justify abortion, then you also justify murdering both unborn and born children. That's called INFANTICIDE.

The bottom line is that it doesn't matter one bit if a woman has the power to make choices. No one has the right to kill an innocent person. You don't have the right to murder someone else just so you can enjoy your life.

Im sleepy and this is getting boring since I belive everything is relative and nothing ia absolute and I belive we define our own reality. You win.

You always have the freedom to determine what to you want to believe. No problem there. But when the issue involves taking the life of another person, your freedom (and your choices) is/are limited. And rightly so.

[unsay_ngalan_nimo]

ummm.... ummm.... ummmm....

[froi]

dku mu.agree ani..mypag mgcontraseptives nlng kng mgpakuha ra d.i

[demonyito]

I am feeling very sorry for the souls of people who are into legalizing abortion!

[rob123]

I am feeling very sorry for the souls of people who are into legalizing abortion!

sure jud kaha naa soul?he!he!he!

[cottonmouth]

I am feeling very sorry for the souls of people who are into legalizing abortion!

Ohhh...I'm scared...really scared. See you in hell.

Stop acting like a god dude.

[watchOut09]

no to abortion gyud!! pagsafe *** na lng mo..nganu bitaw ni enter nya di diay panagutan ang nabuhat...

u have the choice from the very beginning, that is gamit ug contraceptives para dili mabuntis.

hahay, si Lord ra gyud ang mo judge sa tanan........

[rob123]

no to abortion gyud!! pagsafe *** na lng mo..nganu bitaw ni enter nya di diay panagutan ang nabuhat...

u have the choice from the very beginning, that is gamit ug contraceptives para dili mabuntis.

hahay, si Lord ra gyud ang mo judge sa tanan........

Usa ka reply basaha ug maayo ang mga post sa thread sad oi..unsa nga choice ang amo g hisgutan ug ngano nga ok ra ug e legalized ang abortion. ga ya2x ka lang mora ka ug sinultihan ug pari nga wa simba2x da. apil pa nimo c lord.