Second Look on Islam

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all insignificant people and lines that Malic could care less about.

ang pangutana giunsa ninyo pag gamit ang gitudlo sa inyong mga relihiyon? mao na gitudlo? mangita ug bikil sa pikas nya maghinambogay kinsay maayo? that's some attitude coming from a founder who inspires humility.

sadly and gladly i don't own a microscope for this d**k waving contest.

[Malic]

maong nakapangutana ko ana kay naa man gud koy nakastorya nga muslim sa una nga mutuo sa 10 commandments nga gihatag sa Ginoo ni Moses...maong sige kog pangutana nimo para i compare nako ang inyong tubag...

karon pako nakahibaw nga lain lain man diay mog pagtuo...

lain lain ba oi. Ikaw maoy wala kasabot.

[Pein]

Sir FYI, ang mga Propeta aduna na silay nagkalain lain nga klase nga mga missions ug gahum nga ihatag sa Ginoo. Ang oban walay miraculous power sama ni John the Baptist ug Noah. Ang oban adunay mga gahum sama ni Elijah...ug...Elsiha

1kings 17:22-"22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. (resurrection of the dead)"


2kings 4:32-36-"32 And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes. And he called Gehazi, and said, Call this Shunammite. So he called her. And when she was come in unto him, he said, Take up thy son.(resurrection of the dead)"


Si Elijah ug Elisha both had performed the miracles of reviving a dead body just like what Jesus did to Lazarus,so whats so special about Jesus' resurrection of Lazarus?

As ive said Propehts' of God have different callings and with lahi lahi pod ang ilang mga gahum.


Now kung dili ka maka dawat nga si Prophet Muhammad ang greatest well,so be it, di man pod mi mamugos.

BUT here is an article that i want you to read...

" In recent times, a book has been published in America
titled "The 100," or the Top One Hundred, or the Greatest
Hundred in History. A certain Michael H. Hart, described as a
historian, mathematician and astronomer has written this
novel book. He has searched history, seeking for men who
had the greatest influence on mankind. In this book he
gives us The hundred most influential men, including Asoka,
Aristotle, Buddha, Confucius, Hitler, Plato, and Zoroaster. He
does not give us a mere chart of the topmost "one
hundred" from the point of view of their influence on
people, but he evaluates the degree of their influence and
rates them in order of their excellence from No. 1, through
to No. 100. He gives us his reasons for the placing of his
candidates. We are not asked to agree with him, but we
cannot help admire the man's research and honesty.


Here is another one...

" Hart placing the Prophet of Islam as No. 1, has naturally
pleased the Muslims. But his choice has shocked the
Non-Muslims, more specially the Jews and the Christians,
who consider this as an affront. What? Jesus (pbuh) No. 3 and
Moses (pbuh) No. 40! This is for them very difficult to stomach,
but what says Hart? Let us hear his arguments -

SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE2 AS MANY
CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY
SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN
RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO
PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.

FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE
IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
CHRISTIANITY.
ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF
CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM
JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER
OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL


by the way Michael hart is non-muslim, this is what he said....

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.

he also said...

We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.


Michael Hart on Muhammad-http://www.jamaat.net/hart/thetop100.html
Michael Hart on Jesus-http://www.jamaat.net/hart/jesus.html

ahhhh...so nag base ra diay mo sa inyong pagtuo nga "greatest" si Muhammad sa giingon ni Michael H. Hart?

unya unsa may authority ni Michael anang iyang giingon? iya iya raman pud siguro na...

ang akong saksi nimo si St. John nga apostol ni Cristo. awa ha:

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

mao nay ingon revelation ni St. John nga usa ka apostol ni Jesus Christ.

kinsa kahay tuuhan nato noh? si St. John or si Michael H. Hart? basin muingon napud ka corrupt...

hmmmmm...

[Pein]

all insignificant people and lines that Malic could care less about.

ang pangutana giunsa ninyo pag gamit ang gitudlo sa inyong mga relihiyon? mao na gitudlo? mangita ug bikil sa pikas nya maghinambogay kinsay maayo? that's some attitude coming from a founder who inspires humility.

sadly and gladly i don't own a microscope for this d**k waving contest.

bikil ba gud uroy ni na forum mani...sharing of ideas.

wala man siguro ka kaagi ug college...wala diay kay research and thesis? kung maghimo kag thesis dili diay ka sukit sukiton sa imong instructor? mu ana diay imong instructor " imo pud na respetaay lang"...?

sukit sukiton intawn kag maayo oi to prove nga sakto ba nang imong gi research ug imo ba jud nang hinimo...research ra gani na ha, SAMOT NA KAHA ANG BAHIN SA RELIGION!

sukit sukiton man gani nimo usahay ang tindera basta naa kay paliton kani pa ba kahang pangrelihiyon!

kung wala ninyo tagaig bili ang inyong mga kalag bahala mo ayaw mo panigurado inyo pud na...

[Pein]

But at the same time the Qur'an also said that the message of the prophets was changed and corrupted by the jews. And today indeed the accusation found in the Qur'an proved to be true now that modern theologians insist its questionable authorship.

kani diayng imong gi post, THIS PROVES NOTHING.

kanus a ra gud na gisuwat nang Quran...600AD kapin kung wala ko masayop...pagkasayo ra ani oi kung itandi sa mga libro sa bible...siguro nakita jud sa mga mata ni Muhammad nga gi corrupt ang scriptures sa bible...nya mao nay rason maghimo siyag iyang kaugalingong libro sa Ginoo?

huna hunaa ragud...gisulong sa Roman Empire ang Jerusalem 70AD...so probably, 70AD pataas, naa na jud nay corruption noh?unya dis a man nakakuha ug information si Muhammad aning Abraham, Moses, Jesus Christ? ni angel Gabriel? ngek!

so kung niadtong 70AD gasugod na ang corruption, samot na siguro ang 600AD+ noh? kay wala man pud jud tay makitang laing propeta nga mu prophesy aning Muhammad gud nikalit man lang ni siyag tunga...basin mao na ang giingon ni Jesus Christ nga:

Mat 24:11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.

hmmmmmm....



bitaw agree ko nimo...naa nay pollution sa bible PERO DILI TANAN...word of God gihapon ang naa sa bible bisan pag unsaon na ug corrupt, dili gihapon pwedeng mawala ang pulong sa Ginoo...mutugot ba gud uroy ang Ginoo nga malupig sa dautan ang maayo...

mahanaw nalang ning kalibutana dili gihapon mawala ang pulong sa Ginoo...

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

basin muingon napud ka corrupt na nga verse...

[Malic]

brainwashing kaayo nang muingon kag ang bible corrupted then ang Quran wala...sure ka wala na ma corrupt? yati ra, wala man gani mo siguro kapangutana basin corrupt nanang daan sa paghimo pa lang...

ang bible gud, kung naay statement sa New Testament suportado man kana sa Old Testament parehas sa pagkatawo ni Jesus Christ.

sampol ha:

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

kaning statement ni Matthew, suportado ba kini sa mga propeta? awa ha:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

see? daghan kaayog account sa Old Testament gikan sa mga propeta nga nagsuporta ni Cristo...dia pa ai sampol pa:

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

nahitabo na ni Cristo. gibuslutan ang iyang mga kamot ug mga tiil, gigisi ang iyang sinina ug gisugalan...

see?

UNYA KANA SI MOHAMMAD NINYO KINSA MANG PROPETAHA ANG MUSUPORTA ANI NIYA? GREATEST PROPHET MAN KAHA NA SIYA...?

maayo pa diay si St. Paul naa pay prophesy gikan sa mga propeta...awa ha:

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

nahitabo ba ni ni St. Paul? tan awn nato...

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

see? ang mga libro sa bible bisan lain lain nga panahon gisuwat, naa silay relationship nga nagsuporta sa usag usa...ang Quran asa man ang suporta ana? ga inusara raman na...

mao na ang pangutana ron, kana si Muhammad ug kanang inyong Quran...kinsa kahang propetaha ang musaksi ani nila...

hmmmmmm...

Sir dili man ako ang nagsulti nga corrupted na ang bible. Naa bay bible scholar nga na produce ang ADD? wala noh? so dependent kaau mo sa Scholars sa obang denominations. Anyways those scholars admitted that there are insertions and corruptions in the bible.

wala na ma corrupt ang Qur'an.


ah so you are using the bible to prove that the bibe is True. Nice But can i ask for a verse that says that the bible(kanang compiled bible ha) is the word of God. Remember during the Old testament days till Jesus wala pay bible like what you have now ni Exist,so show me a verse that says that the bible is the word of God.

you mean old testament verses being manipulated to make it appear that it relates to Jesus? Yes sir daghan kaau na sa inyong theolgoy.


tan-awa ra gud ng imong verses diha,dili man gani Immanuel ang name ni Jesus nya imo ng ipugos nga it is about Jesus.


LOLz,by the way kanang verses sa imong psalms about kana ni David oi,naunsa.hehe. kato si David Warrior kato then kanang iyang gi pang sulti diha sa Psalms iya katong mga kaagi.


haha. Sir i think katong mga reliable nga mga Theologians ug bible scholars mo disagree nimo anang prophesy kunuhay ni Paul.


kinsang propetaha ang mo saksi sa pagka propeta ni Muhammad?

basaha ng Deuteronomy 18, Moses stated that God told him: “I will raise up for them a prophet like you(MOSES) from among their brothers; I will put my words in his mouth, and he will tell them everything I command him. If anyone does not listen to my words that the prophet speaks in my name, I myself will call him to account.” (Deuteronomy 18:18-19).


hmm,i know you will disagree. hehe, sigurado ko nga mo sulti ka nga ang Deut. 18:18-19 is about kang Jesus. but more studies will show that this verses could not be attritbuted to Jesus.

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@pein: mura ra gud ikaw gud. murag wala kai skwela kai sige lang PARROT sa bibliya. dili nimo kaya pre na mag huna huna imo kaugalingon? Kung mo ingon na ang bibilya "I AM STUPID" imo sad nasuwat diri? puro ra ka dagan diha sa biblya. mag unsa nalang kaha ka kung wla na? kai kami mabuhi mi wala na! walay magkulang sa among kinabuhi kung wla na.

ang purpose anang thesis pre para kahimo ka ug imo conclusion. kanang imo dili mana imoha gikan. KINOPYA mana nimo sa uban. Mao gani di ko mahlig mag-quote anang bibliya nimo kai di ko ganahan magsalig ana.

Advice lang nako nimo pre tiwasa imong pagskwela. Kai mao ra nay nakat-onan nimo. Kalye-talk. Puro lang ka pabulhot diha nya binastosay. Walay grado walay delikadesa! Layo ra kaayo na sa imong giplabas sa imong bibliya pero duol ra kaayo na sa example sa inyo dako-dako. Sige lang pangita ug gubot.

Dili na tarong na example ang instructor ug estudyante pre kai puro na naa sa skwelahan. Kita mga lahi ug tinuhuan. Ayaw mi ingna na di na pwede magrespetohay kai stinroyaan na sa mga baboy ug utok. Basin imo instructor utro pud siguro baboy ug utok. Basin nalimot siya kita nagbayad sa iya sweldo so he should STFU ang know his role.

[Malic]

ahhhh...so nag base ra diay mo sa inyong pagtuo nga "greatest" si Muhammad sa giingon ni Michael H. Hart?

unya unsa may authority ni Michael anang iyang giingon? iya iya raman pud siguro na...

ang akong saksi nimo si St. John nga apostol ni Cristo. awa ha:

Rev 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

mao nay ingon revelation ni St. John nga usa ka apostol ni Jesus Christ.

kinsa kahay tuuhan nato noh? si St. John or si Michael H. Hart? basin muingon napud ka corrupt...

hmmmmm...

hehe,pagka kuwang jud.

Ang tawag ana sir is External witness.

Lisod man nga gamiton nimo ang bible to prove that Jesus is the greatest. Of course bible gud na so para anang libroha si Jesus jud ang greatest.

Sayun ra man pag quote sa quran just to prove nga si Muhammad ang greatest. So external witness,like the one i showed you, is crucial pod sir.

and by the way dont use the bible as a criteria to disprove Muhammad's status as the greatest Prophet kay lahi man ng bible ug Qur'an sir.

[Malic]

kani diayng imong gi post, THIS PROVES NOTHING.

kanus a ra gud na gisuwat nang Quran...600AD kapin kung wala ko masayop...pagkasayo ra ani oi kung itandi sa mga libro sa bible...siguro nakita jud sa mga mata ni Muhammad nga gi corrupt ang scriptures sa bible...nya mao nay rason maghimo siyag iyang kaugalingong libro sa Ginoo?

bitaw agree ko nimo...naa nay pollution sa bible PERO DILI TANAN...word of God gihapon ang naa sa bible bisan pag unsaon na ug corrupt, dili gihapon pwedeng mawala ang pulong sa Ginoo...mutugot ba gud uroy ang Ginoo nga malupig sa dautan ang maayo...

mahanaw nalang ning kalibutana dili gihapon mawala ang pulong sa Ginoo...

Mat 24:35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.

basin muingon napud ka corrupt na nga verse...

kung maka prove ka sir nga gibuhat buhat ra ng libro nga quran ni Muhammad mo apil ko nimo.

so agree ka nga corrupt na. Kini ra bang DATA nga makitaan ug corrupt nga mga details lisod na ra ba ni toho-an sa husgado. Lisod na ni maka sulod as proof.

but my words will not pass away? LOLZ,nawagtang na man gani ang original bible nya dili mo pass away. Sir if the bible is really the word of God,God should have with all His power protected it from being lost,iya gud ng WORD.

[munzter666]

asa man nako ihatag ang akong FAITH? nimo?

toinks! toinks! toinks!

adto nalang ko mutuo sa giingon sa bible bai kesa nimo...kay ang Jesus Christ nga among gituuhan, naay delikadesa...dili manginahanglan ug pagan gods para mubuhat ug milagro...

musabat jud lagi ni sila sa storya nga dili mani para ila oi...apil apilon man lagi ning dili mutuo ug ginoo oi nagpapansin man siguro ni sila ai...

whats wrong with these type of faithfuls?? pataka lang ug BARK.

read my post again...those MEN, are not the likes of ME.
was referring to your BIBLE authors/ghost writers. gets?

katong imong gi pang yawit kabahin sa christmas...of pagan origins. ever wondered why JC's magic-magic got so overrated?? ever considered those stories got pagan origins too.
and puhhhlease, its not JC's fault y'know...its them followers who exaggerates much.hahaha

like YOU.

using the baybul to discredit the Quran...com'on, get real. dont be a douche.