Second Look on Islam

[Pein]

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what douche bag

did you try asking that question yourself with your bible?

mangutana ba gud uroy ko ana kung wala mi tubag sa amoa...maayog pareha mi ninyo nga walay tubag...awa tong akong pangutana sa pikas thread wala gihapon moy tubag mga maayong laki...

ika pila pa man tawon nato ni balikon...not everybody thinks like you, likes what you like.

FYI, did you do some background check regarding PAGAN gods...virgin birth, dead walk, etc...who knows, JC's followers propped their "former" gods to JC...something familiar.

toinks!

maayog gikan sa PAGAN gods ang mga milagro nga gibuhat ni Cristo nga dili man...

mao nay nakadaot sa mga tawo nga dili mutuo ug Ginoo kay musabat sa storya nga dili para ila...

[tokidoki_v2.0]

OT:
"You have to trust in people not god coz he's just an imaginary friend for grown-ups." -- The Big Bounce

Dili na gikan nako ha. hehehe....

[munzter666]

maayog gikan sa PAGAN gods ang mga milagro nga gibuhat ni Cristo nga dili man...

mao nay nakadaot sa mga tawo nga dili mutuo ug Ginoo kay musabat sa storya nga dili para ila..

how sure are you?

you have to put your FAITH on men first...base on their say so. ever thought about that one?

[Pein]

how sure are you?

you have to put your FAITH on men first...base on their say so. ever thought about that one?

asa man nako ihatag ang akong FAITH? nimo?

toinks! toinks! toinks!

adto nalang ko mutuo sa giingon sa bible bai kesa nimo...kay ang Jesus Christ nga among gituuhan, naay delikadesa...dili manginahanglan ug pagan gods para mubuhat ug milagro...

musabat jud lagi ni sila sa storya nga dili mani para ila oi...apil apilon man lagi ning dili mutuo ug ginoo oi nagpapansin man siguro ni sila ai...

[Breadfox]

wala man ko makig debate niya bro nangutana raman ko. para pud ba makahibaw ta sa tinuohang Islam...kay kung tinuod nang ilang tinuohan aw sunod gud ta kung unsay maayo(in the sight of God)...

and do you really expect us to believe that that's really your purpose? and sige, sakyan nalang tkaw, if your purpose is to know the truth and follow what is right, do you really think istorya.net is the proper venue for such? don't you think you'd rather read up on islam or talk with one of their priests, or whatever they call their priests?

klaro man kaayo bro that you're only trying to prove that what you believe is the truth and the ONLY truth. and there's nothing wrong with that, but please, act like a mature person and don't mock him.

by the way, call me sis, and not bro

[Pein]

and do you really expect us to believe that that's really your purpose? and sige, sakyan nalang tkaw, if your purpose is to know the truth and follow what is right, do you really think istorya.net is the proper venue for such? don't you think you'd rather read up on islam or talk with one of their priests, or whatever they call their priests?

klaro man kaayo bro that you're only trying to prove that what you believe is the truth and the ONLY truth. and there's nothing wrong with that, but please, act like a mature person and don't mock him.

by the way, call me sis, and not bro

aw imo pud nang pagsabot wala may pugsanay diri...sharing raman ni dai mao bitaw naay forum para magsharing sa mga ideas...

kung mao nay pagtuo nimo dai imo pud na...dai lang akong tawag nimo kay dili man taka sis...

[Malic]

toinks!

kay wala diay tagai ug commandments sa Ginoo si Moses?

basin lahi ang inyong Moses...

sabta ang mga ponto nga akong gi discuss nimo. Lihis man ni sa logic imo sir ug lihis pod sa subject.

ang imong pangutana is motoo ba ko sa 10 commandments. g unsa gud nimo pag sabot gud nga naabot naman ka sa akong pagtoo ni Moses.

para nimo is...Kung motoo ko sa 10 commandments=motoo pod ko ni Moses. Nya unsaon man na nato nga duna may mga issues sa authorship aning pentateuch,so unsaon man nimo pag credit karun ni Moses ning Exodus where namantala ang 10 commandments.

As ive said the basis of my faith is in the Qur'an. In the Qur'an Moses was mentioned to have received a revelation from God,ug kato nga revelation mao to among gi tagaan ug bili. But at the same time the Qur'an also said that the message of the prophets was changed and corrupted by the jews. And today indeed the accusation found in the Qur'an proved to be true now that modern theologians insist its questionable authorship.


ibutang sa saktong premise imong rason sir. Para di ka maglibog.

[Pein]

brainwashing kaayo nang muingon kag ang bible corrupted then ang Quran wala...sure ka wala na ma corrupt? yati ra, wala man gani mo siguro kapangutana basin corrupt nanang daan sa paghimo pa lang...

ang bible gud, kung naay statement sa New Testament suportado man kana sa Old Testament parehas sa pagkatawo ni Jesus Christ.

sampol ha:

Mat 1:23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

kaning statement ni Matthew, suportado ba kini sa mga propeta? awa ha:

Isa 7:14 Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.

see? daghan kaayog account sa Old Testament gikan sa mga propeta nga nagsuporta ni Cristo...dia pa ai sampol pa:

Psa 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.

Psa 22:17 I may tell all my bones: they look and stare upon me.

Psa 22:18 They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture.

nahitabo na ni Cristo. gibuslutan ang iyang mga kamot ug mga tiil, gigisi ang iyang sinina ug gisugalan...

see?

UNYA KANA SI MOHAMMAD NINYO KINSA MANG PROPETAHA ANG MUSUPORTA ANI NIYA? GREATEST PROPHET MAN KAHA NA SIYA...?

maayo pa diay si St. Paul naa pay prophesy gikan sa mga propeta...awa ha:

Isa 49:6 And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the preserved of Israel: I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation unto the end of the earth.

nahitabo ba ni ni St. Paul? tan awn nato...

Act 13:47 For so hath the Lord commanded us, saying, I have set thee to be a light of the Gentiles, that thou shouldest be for salvation unto the ends of the earth.

see? ang mga libro sa bible bisan lain lain nga panahon gisuwat, naa silay relationship nga nagsuporta sa usag usa...ang Quran asa man ang suporta ana? ga inusara raman na...

mao na ang pangutana ron, kana si Muhammad ug kanang inyong Quran...kinsa kahang propetaha ang musaksi ani nila...

hmmmmmm...

[Pein]

sabta ang mga ponto nga akong gi discuss nimo. Lihis man ni sa logic imo sir ug lihis pod sa subject.

ang imong pangutana is motoo ba ko sa 10 commandments. g unsa gud nimo pag sabot gud nga naabot naman ka sa akong pagtoo ni Moses.

para nimo is...Kung motoo ko sa 10 commandments=motoo pod ko ni Moses. Nya unsaon man na nato nga duna may mga issues sa authorship aning pentateuch,so unsaon man nimo pag credit karun ni Moses ning Exodus where namantala ang 10 commandments.

As ive said the basis of my faith is in the Qur'an. In the Qur'an Moses was mentioned to have received a revelation from God,ug kato nga revelation mao to among gi tagaan ug bili. But at the same time the Qur'an also said that the message of the prophets was changed and corrupted by the jews. And today indeed the accusation found in the Qur'an proved to be true now that modern theologians insist its questionable authorship.


ibutang sa saktong premise imong rason sir. Para di ka maglibog.

maong nakapangutana ko ana kay naa man gud koy nakastorya nga muslim sa una nga mutuo sa 10 commandments nga gihatag sa Ginoo ni Moses...maong sige kog pangutana nimo para i compare nako ang inyong tubag...

karon pako nakahibaw nga lain lain man diay mog pagtuo...

[Malic]

Muhammad (c. 570 – June 8, 632) was an Arab religious, political, and military leader who founded the religion of Islam as a historical phenomenon. Muslims view him not as the creator of a new religion, but as the restorer of the original, uncorrupted monotheistic faith of Adam, Abraham and others. In Muslim tradition, Muhammad is viewed as the last and the greatest in a series of prophets—as the man closest to perfection, the possessor of all virtues. For the last 23 years of his life, beginning at age 40, Muhammad reported receiving revelations from God. The content of these revelations, known as the Qur'an, was memorized and recorded by his companions.

Islam - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

huh?

really?

greatest of all prophets of God si Muhammad?

mas labaw pa diay si Muhammad ni Jesus noh? nga si Jesus mubuhi ug patay, muayo ug buta, bakol, sanglahon, mupagawas ug demonyo etc...mas labaw pa diay si Muhammad noh?

wala pa lagi ko nakadungog nga nakabuhi ug patay si Muhammad...bisan langaw nalang wala jud...unya GREATEST?

hmmmmmm....

Sir FYI, ang mga Propeta aduna na silay nagkalain lain nga klase nga mga missions ug gahum nga ihatag sa Ginoo. Ang oban walay miraculous power sama ni John the Baptist ug Noah. Ang oban adunay mga gahum sama ni Elijah...ug...Elsiha

1kings 17:22-"22 And the LORD heard the voice of Elijah; and the soul of the child came into him again, and he revived. (resurrection of the dead)"


2kings 4:32-36-"32 And when Elisha was come into the house, behold, the child was dead, and laid upon his bed. He went in therefore, and shut the door upon them twain, and prayed unto the LORD. And he went up, and lay upon the child, and put his mouth upon his mouth, and his eyes upon his eyes, and his hands upon his hands: and he stretched himself upon the child; and the flesh of the child waxed warm. Then he returned, and walked in the house to and fro; and went up, and stretched himself upon him: and the child sneezed seven times, and the child opened his eyes. And he called Gehazi, and said, Call this Shunammite. So he called her. And when she was come in unto him, he said, Take up thy son.(resurrection of the dead)"


Si Elijah ug Elisha both had performed the miracles of reviving a dead body just like what Jesus did to Lazarus,so whats so special about Jesus' resurrection of Lazarus?

As ive said Propehts' of God have different callings and with lahi lahi pod ang ilang mga gahum.


Now kung dili ka maka dawat nga si Prophet Muhammad ang greatest well,so be it, di man pod mi mamugos.

BUT here is an article that i want you to read...

" In recent times, a book has been published in America
titled "The 100," or the Top One Hundred, or the Greatest
Hundred in History. A certain Michael H. Hart, described as a
historian, mathematician and astronomer has written this
novel book. He has searched history, seeking for men who
had the greatest influence on mankind. In this book he
gives us The hundred most influential men, including Asoka,
Aristotle, Buddha, Confucius, Hitler, Plato, and Zoroaster. He
does not give us a mere chart of the topmost "one
hundred" from the point of view of their influence on
people, but he evaluates the degree of their influence and
rates them in order of their excellence from No. 1, through
to No. 100. He gives us his reasons for the placing of his
candidates. We are not asked to agree with him, but we
cannot help admire the man's research and honesty.The
most amazing thing about his selection is that he
has put our Holy Prophet Muhammad
(pbuh) as No. 1, the first of his "100!" Thus confirming,
unknowingly, God's Own testimony in His Final Revelation to
the World:


Here is another one...

" Hart placing the Prophet of Islam as No. 1, has naturally
pleased the Muslims. But his choice has shocked the
Non-Muslims, more specially the Jews and the Christians,
who consider this as an affront. What? Jesus (pbuh) No. 3 and
Moses (pbuh) No. 40! This is for them very difficult to stomach,
but what says Hart? Let us hear his arguments -

SINCE THERE ARE ROUGHLY TWICE2 AS MANY
CHRISTIANS IN THE WORLD, IT MAY INITIALLY
SEEM STRANGE THAT MUHAMMAD HAS BEEN
RANKED HIGHER THAN JESUS. THERE ARE TWO
PRINCIPAL REASONS FOR THAT DECISION.

FIRST, MUHAMMAD PLAYED A FAR MORE
IMPORTANT ROLE IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
ISLAM THAN JESUS DID IN THE DEVELOPMENT OF
CHRISTIANITY.
ALTHOUGH JESUS WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE
MAIN ETHICAL AND MORAL PRECEPTS OF
CHRISTIANITY (INSOFAR AS THESE DIFFERED FROM
JUDAISM), ST. PAUL WAS THE MAIN DEVELOPER
OF CHRISTIAN THEOLOGY, ITS PRINCIPAL


by the way Michael hart is non-muslim, this is what he said....

My choice of Muhammad to lead the list of the world's most influential persons may surprise some readers and may be questioned by others, but he was the only man in history who was supremely successful on both the religious and secular levels.

he also said...

We see, then, that the Arab conquests of the seventh century have continued to play an important role in human history, down to the present day. It is this unparalleled combination of secular and religious influence which I feel entitles Muhammad to be considered the most influential single figure in human history.


Michael Hart on Muhammad-http://www.jamaat.net/hart/thetop100.html
Michael Hart on Jesus-http://www.jamaat.net/hart/jesus.html