Second Look on Islam

[rinnnie]

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wow, your post...so CHRISTIAN of you to say that. (oxy*****?)

since when did i even mention i'm a muslim.



sure ka, muslim mindanao didn't celebrate that...none that i know of. mahilig ka talaga sa CHISMIS.
gi praise....why wala ba diay christiano gi tagaan ug HERO's praise during the crusades. nahimo pa man gani ug SAINT ang uban.



Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19)
Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13)

funny, it comes from the very same bible you subscribe too.

dont worry...not everybody wants to be LIKE YOU anyway. me including.hahaha


wow, bold accusation. can you confirm that please.
...and i thought ONLY your god can judge. my mistake.hahaha



and those NAZI's were jesus freaks too, didnt you know that?
they were doing god's bidding/a favor cleaning out the jews...according to them.

Still, even with that on the bible, do you think gi todlo na sa catholic church? Wala oi, ang gi todlo sa catholic church. Mao ni, og mao ni og mao gyod ni ang gi sonod.

"Love God above all things"
"Love others as you love yourself."

I know I am not following that teaching with what I am doing here.
Pero kong dili ra sad ko mo criticize, asa man mag gikan ang criticism.
Daghan kaayo thread dinhi against catholic church nga wala gani nag promote og patay.
Pero dinhi nga thread, wala man gani ko kita og bisag osa ning comment against sa mga tinodloan
nga patay sa muslims. Dili man kaha ka muslim, kung imong tan-aw nga maayo ang muslim, pag muslim na lang.

[rinnnie]

wow, for converting purposes diay...hahaha

kulang sa sales pitch,hahaha....

on the blindside, your giving a CHRISTIAN a BAD meaning. no thanks to you pare.

and pardon the intrusion, nag labay ug PAN?? wa ka na yow...kutsilyo man imong gi pang labay lagi.hahaha

WHAT? and slamming 3 airplanes into a building filled with people gives them a good meaning?

mas worse pa para nimo ang akong gi bohat dinhi kay sa ang pag celebrate atong ilang gi bohat?
buang2x man siguro ka!

[Malic]

Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi, wa barakatuhu.
Kaif halak, Malic? Inta tamaam?

I am a Catholic, will die as one and proud to be one. I was born and raised to respect other relegions. I spent quite a time in the middle east and the near east. During my stint there, I have my share of encounters with your Muslim brothers, (Sunni and Shiite) Arabs and non-Arabic Muslims, Suffi's and Wahhabbis. Moderate or exterimists. More like, just like us Christians too, hope you get what I mean.

Quotd from Malic: I said we believe in the ORIGINAL Torah, Pslams,The Scroll of Abraham,The gospel of Jesus(pbuh).

The Muslim ‘Isa (Jesus)
There are two main sources for ‘Isa, the Muslim Jesus. The Qur’an gives a history of his life, whilst the Hadith collections — recollections of Muhammad’s words and deeds — establish his place in the Muslim understanding of the future.
The Qur’an
‘Isa, was a prophet of Islam
Jesus’ true name, according to the Qur’an, was ‘Isa. His message was pure Islam, surrender to Allah. (Âl 'Imran 3:84) Like all the Muslim prophets before him, and like Muhammad after him, ‘Isa was a lawgiver, and Christians should submit to his law. (Âl 'Imran 3:50; Al-Ma’idah 5:4 ‘Isa’s original disciples were also true Muslims, for they said ‘We believe. Bear witness that we have surrendered. We are Muslims.’ (Al-Ma’idah 5:111)
‘The Books’
Like other messengers of Islam before him, ‘Isa received his revelation of Islam in the form of a book. (Al-An’am 6:90) ‘Isa’s book is called the Injil or ‘gospel’. (Al-Ma’idah 5:46) The Torah was Moses’ book, and the Zabur (Psalms) were David’s book. So Jews and Christians are ‘people of the Book’. The one religion revealed in these books was Islam. (Âl 'Imran 3:1
As with previous prophets, ‘Isa’s revelation verified previous prophets’ revelations. (Âl 'Imran 3:49,84; Al-Ma’idah 5:46; As-Saff 61:6) Muhammad himself verified all previous revelations, including the revelation to ‘Isa (An-Nisa’ 4:47), and so Muslims must believe in the revelation which ‘Isa received. (Al-Baqarah 2:136) However, after ‘Isa the Injil was lost in its original form. Today the Qur’an is the only sure guide to ‘Isa’s teaching.
The biography of ‘Isa
According to the Qur’an, ‘Isa was the Messiah. He was supported by the ‘Holy Spirit’. (Al-Baqarah 2:87; Al-Ma’idah 5:110) He is also referred to as the ‘Word of Allah’. (An-Nisa’ 4:171)
‘Isa’s mother Mariam was the daughter of ‘Imran, (Âl 'Imran 3:34,35) — cf the Amram of Exodus 6:20 — and the sister of Aaron (and Moses). (Maryam 19:2 She was fostered by Zachariah (father of John the Baptist). (Âl 'Imran 3:36) While still a virgin (Al-An’am 6:12; Maryam 19:19-21) Mariam gave birth to ‘Isa alone in a desolate place under a date palm tree. (Maryam 19:22ff) (Not in Bethlehem).
‘Isa spoke whilst still a baby in his cradle. (Âl 'Imran 3:46; Al-Ma’idah 5:110; Maryam 19:30) He performed various other miracles, including breathing life into clay birds, healing the blind and lepers, and raising the dead. (Âl 'Imran 3:49; Al-Ma’idah 5:111) He also foretold the coming of Muhammad. (As-Saff 61:6)
I believe in the gospel of Jesus Christ therefore I am a Christian. Right? If yes, we can say that who believes in the Gospel of Jesus Christ is a Christian too! Agree?

Just asking you on this.

Wajeed shukran sadiq!

Allah alim!

wa alaykum salam wa rahamatullahi wa barakatuhu. Alhamdulillah!!!


Very impressive verses from the Quran,makes me wonder, did you get all these from studying in an islamic center? hehe.

according to our belief the gospel of Issa is incomplete, The Deen(w/c can also found in the gospel) of Allah subahana wa ta ala was completed during the time of Prophet Muhammad(salallahu alayhi wa salam).

We as muslim believes in the original Gospel of Jesus christ,not the corrupted gospel w/c the christians have now. So if you believe in the original gospel of jesus,you will be called a muslim and not a christian,why? because Jesus(alayhi salam) taught submission to the will of God(Islam).


im from cebu philippines

afuan sadiq nightowl

[Malic]

@M666 and tokidoki

[munzter666]

WHAT? and slamming 3 airplanes into a building filled with a lot of people gives them a good meaning?

mas worse pa para nimo ang akong gi bohat dinhi kay sa ang pag celebrate atong ilang gi bohat?
buang2x man siguro ka!

you are on the bounderies of being an EXTREMIST yourself bro, obvious naman may galit ka sa mga EXTREMIST...be careful, you are becoming the very person you HATE.

those terrorists doesnt SPEAK for the whole/entirety of ISLAM.

those abortion clinic bombers doesnt speak for the whole of christianity.
those racist, white spupremacist jesus freaks dont speak for the whole christianity as well.
those child fakkers, predators and molesters with the holy robes doesnt speak of the whole (put your religion here kay di mani exlcusive hahaha)


but it does make an impression...thats why people ASK what's wrong with this sh!t?

this is why we dont generalize people.

religious absolutism is one scary sh!t...sabi nga sa star wars, ABSOLUTISM is the way of the sith. nung sinabi ni anakin "if your not with me you're against me"

[Malic]

Muslim Women in Science

Muslim Women in Science

There is an ingrained value in every Muslim, man and woman alike, to pursue knowledge and to learn about God's truth by studying the surrounding world. Prophet Mohammad (saws), advised his followers to seek knowledge wherever it can be found. In keeping with this value, Muslim women are continuing to make headway in the field of science and their graduation ratios often exceed those of western women in pursuing scientific degrees according to figures recently released by UNESCO.

Yet, very seldom do positive depictions of Muslim women get portrayed by the western mainstream media. In some cases, media profit depends upon a production team's ability to feed the myopic fantasies and stereotypes etched in the minds of many non-Muslims. Westerners are comfortable with stereotypes that Muslim women are oppressed because of Islam, which could not be further from the truth. The Islamic message, which stresses gender equity and rights for women, is often corrupted by competing cultural values that have no basis in Islam scripture.

The quest for knowledge has always applied to women in Islam. God has made no difference between genders in this area. The Prophet (saws) once said: "Seeking knowledge is a mandate for every Muslim (male and female)." (Sahih Bukhari)

During the International Congress on Muslim Women in Science Towards a Better Future, King Mohamed VI stressed that "...the integrated development of the principles of Islam and of scientific knowledge must be achieved irrespective of gender", according to a UNESCO report on the gathering that took place in 2000.

Muslim women in science have become leaders in their fields, receiving awards, earning patents and making contribution that further man's knowledge of the world, and yet the eyes of western cameras see through these women as if they do not exist. A tendency to avoid praise for Muslim achievements hides the seldom explored comparisons.

The fact is that the United States falls behind six Muslim countries in the percentage of women graduating in science to the total science graduate population. The countries whose ratio of women science graduates exceeds that of the United States are Bahrain, Brunei Darussalam, Kyrgyzstan, Lebanon, Qatar and Turkey. Morocco exceeds the United States in the ratio of women engineering graduates as a percentage of the science graduate population.

Rehab Eman, a Muslim woman with a Bachelor of Science in Architectural Engineering, and a Masters degree in Islamic Studies on Jerusalem credits Islamic values for what inspired her to pursue knowledge in a scientific field. Instead of holding Eman back, the Muslim men in her life, including her father and brother, encouraged her to work hard for her education. "My lecturers were men, my supporters were men, my sponsors were men. They believed in my talents...," she shares.

Traditionally, Muslim women have not been discouraged in the sciences to the extent that Western women have, which might be why statistics show such high ratios of Muslim women graduates in science fields as a percentage to the total science graduate population. However, in Muslim countries the real hurdles that affect women's education are the very same hurdles that affect men's education. These hurdles take the form of poverty, illiteracy, political instability and the policy of foreign powers.

Data that explains the real problem can be found by comparing the total educated populations of countries and regions of the world. A high degree of illiteracy and low levels of secondary school enrollment account for why there are less graduates overall in poorer countries than there are in wealthier regions like North America and Europe. In locales defined by UNESCO in their recent report, gross secondary school enrollment ratios are very low: Africa (below 40%), West Asia (below 60%), and East Asia (below 75%).

While some Islamophobic pundits are all too ready to make a correlation between poor education and what type of religion one practices, more accurate relationships can find their foundation in hard figures. National wealth and education forge a tight relationship. According to data from the UIS (UNESCO Institute for Statistics), national wealth is directly related to educational enrollment. Statistics show that the vast majority of medium-high and high income countries have a secondary school enrollment ratio above 90 percent. Poorer countries don't have the resources needed to make education a priority. Undoubtedly, the next question that gets asked is, "How do countries become poor?" Well, to the dismay of many hostile to the deen, poverty and Islam cannot be correlated any more successfully than illiteracy and Islam. While there is more than enough scriptural proof that Islam encourages education for both men and women, some fail to realize that when the disease of poverty attacks, it does so in disregard to any cultural or religious boundaries.

Obstacles to Education

Although there are obstacles to education in much of the non-Muslim world today, the Muslim world has endured some of the most hostile attacks in recent decades, which has affected the overall quality and safety for youth trying to obtain education. In war torn Afghanistan and Iraq, schools of all levels have been bombed and shelled by U.S. military forces. Public health is in jeopardy and infrastructure has been damaged and not rebuilt.

When state-sponsored super-power terrorism isn't being waged on weaker civilian populations, a form of quiet economic warfare is being waged behind a smokescreen of Public Relations razzle-dazzle by organizations like the IMF and World Bank, the culprits responsible, in part, for increasing third-world national debts and hitting other nations' education systems like a home run out of Yankee Stadium.

A self-proclaimed Economic Hit-Man, John Perkins, former Chief Economist for Chas. T. Main, confesses in a radio interview with Amy Goodman that his job was to build the American Empire by increasing other countries' national debt by using any means necessary.

"This empire, unlike any other in the history of the world, has been built primarily through economic manipulation, through cheating, through fraud, through seducing people into our way of life, through the economic hit men. I was very much a part of that," says Perkins.

Gender Inequity

Gender inequity does exist, but it is not relegated to Muslim countries. Some disparaging gender gaps in higher education exist where the religion of Islam isn't even practiced by a majority of the population. For example, only 44% of people enrolled in higher education in Switzerland are women, Guatemala (43%), Rwanda (37%), Korea (36%), Bhutan (34%), Cambodia (29%) and Liechtenstein (27%).

On the other side of the coin, in Tunisia, a country where 98% of people practice Islam, there were 5% more female students enrolled than males in higher education. Malaysian women made up 55% of the enrolled population in higher education, Lebanon (54%), Jordan and Libya (51%). Bahrain even exceeded the United States in the ratio of women enrolled in higher education by 6%. If education is freedom, then it looks like Muslim women in Bahrain are more liberated than American women.

Rather than Islam threatening a woman's right to education, governments hostile to Islam often set up roadblocks to prevent Muslim women from obtaining education. Both France and Turkey are guilty of this type of exclusionary persecution, all under the false guise of secularism. According to Human Rights Watch (HRW), a prestigious nongovernmental organization, these bans exclude thousands of women from institutions of higher learning each year. A 2004 HRW report states, "This restriction of women's choice of dress is discriminatory and violates their right to education, their right to freedom of thought, conscience and religion, and their right to privacy."

Exemplary Muslimah(muslim women) Scientists

Despite the fact that the Muslim woman is constantly being harassed about her choice in religion and must withstand relentless western media stereotypes that ridicule her faith and demonize the men of her culture, there exists an Islamic tradition celebrating women in science of which Muslims must remind the world. Today, the Islamic culture in which women are encouraged to participate, excel and lead in scientific fields continues to express itself, not only through statistical data, but in real, living, breathing and praying people. Although these women are exceptional, they are by no means the exception to the rule.

Professor Samira Ibrahim Islam

Professor Islam was nominated as a distinguished Scientist of the World For the Year 2000 by UNESCO. She made significant contributions in drug safety by defining the Saudi profile for drug metabolism. She has held several academic leadership posts in her own country as well as international diplomatic posts with the World Health Organization. Professor Islam has also been a key figure in building academic infrastructure, beginning in the '70s, to support women studying science in higher education in Saudi Arabia.

Sameena Shah

Recently at the international Workshop on Machine Learning in Canada, Samira Shah, presented an innovative algorithm in computerized cognitive leaning that she and a team of colleagues developed at IIT Delhi, India. Her previous academic contributions include a "Global Optimizer" for which a patent is pending. She is currently pursuing a doctorate degree from IIT Delhi.

Professor Dr. Bina Shaheen Siddiqui

Dr. Siddiqui has made significant contributions to medicine and agriculture through her study and classification of indigenous plant materials. She has been awarded several patents for anticancer constituents and biopesticides and has written more than 250 research articles. Pakistan Academy of Sciences elected her as a Fellow and she co-founded the Third World Organization for Women in Science. She received her Ph.D. and D.Sc. from the University of Karachi, Pakistan. She has been honored with several prestigious awards including the Khwarizmi International Award of Iran and Salam Prize in Chemistry.

Historic records show that women participated in science and medicine in Muslim societies. By contrast, in America, during the 1890's women could not be doctors, and yet, Muslim women doctors were seen as equals to their male counterparts hundred's of years earlier, they were even responsible for written contributions in the field. Also, women like Ijliya, an astrolab builder, were employed as skilled scientists in Muslim courts. Others made progress in pharmacology like Ishi Nili

Seeking knowledge is one of the most rewarding ways to connect to Al-Alim (The All Knowing) besides prayer. The believing faithful hold a deep love for Allah in their hearts. Perhaps it is this deep love that inspires believing men and women to strain and reach with their minds, through scientific learning in order to bring themselves closer to the One to whom they are so thankful.

"Iqra!" (read) was Allah's first command to Mohammad (peace be upon him) and its implications are numerous to Muslims living today. Read, be literate, seek and learn, discover and use the gifts and talents that Allah has granted us above animals. Use the mind to move closer to Al-Haadi (The Guide), as the Muslimah scientists have done in the past and are doing today.

WOMEN GRADUATES IN SCIENCE AND ENGINEERING

The data for years 2002/2003 contained in these tables describes the percentage of women graduates in science and engineering out of the total science and engineering graduate population in each country, and pertains to higher-education in science (life sciences, physical sciences, mathematics and statistics, computer sciences) and Engineering (engineering and engineering trades, manufacturing and processing, architecture and building) fields in countries with Muslim majorities for which data was available. (Statistics from the "Global Education Digest" report released from UNESCO Institute for Statistics 2005)

Woman Graduates in Science

Bahrain 74%
Bangladesh 24%
Brunei Darussalam 49%
Kyrgyzstan 64%
Lebanon 47%
Qatar 71%
Turkey 44%

Compared with...

U.S. 43%
Japan 25%

Women Graduates in Engineering

Eritrea 4%
Morocco 25%

Compared with...
U.S. 19%
Japan 13%

Corey Elizabeth Habbas is a a freelance writer from St. Paul, Minnesota, US

[nightowl]

@rinnie

Ad maiorem dei gloriam

"Bro ang akong batasan bay kabalo ko nga sala! Kabalo ko nga dili iya sa langit. Pero I am willing to sacrifice even my soul just so that some people might realize that there is a danger to this religion. Bahalag ma impyerno akong kalag basta maka pugong lang kog osa o duha ka tawo nga ma convert na hinoon sa moslim tongod sa sayop nga pag too. Lisod kontrahon ang demonyo sa pamaagi sa gosto ni jesus nga kong labayon ka og bato, hatagi og pan ang nag labay nimo. Ang akong ma bohat kay ang pag ampo nga onta ma sabtang sa ginoo ang akong gi batasan og pasayloon ko."

way to go......we (Catholics) belive in the sanctity of man as an image of GOD. we allow our brethren to have a free will and way of thinking. sometimes, that is how GOD works, i understand that it is hard to fight evil by Jesus ways. I agree with you on this "Ang akong ma bohat kay ang pag ampo nga onta ma sabtang sa ginoo ang akong gi batasan og pasayloon ko." for prayer is a very powerful and potent weapon against evil and the things it represents.

[Malic]

read also the post above "Muslim women in Science"


"NOT WITHSTANDING HER CONDITION, whether as a peasant in Algeria, a doctor in Cairo, or a secretary in Beirut, a student in Baghdad, a worker in Syria, or veiled in a Harem in Saudi Arabia, the Arab woman shares with her sisters a common fate: a life of renunciation, of captivity, during which she will have to atone for her sin of having been born a woman in a hyper-male society where the ever-present feminine remains synonymous with shame and threat. To begin with, her birth is already perceived as an occasion for mourning rather than for festivities. She is received in an atmosphere of barely suppressed disappointment. They hoped for a boy. Her coming will bring opprobrium on her mother, a shock to her father: 'Men beget men,' we always say in our culture; 'She has given birth to a girl, he has produced a boy,' they proclaim, totally ignorant of the laws of reproduction. What happens on the day when the baby girl leaves her mother's womb is only a foretaste. It is the beginning of a life to be endured as a 'blameful condition' which will be continuously punctuated by steady and heavy repression and intolerance towards the social and economic changes deriving from our 'modern times'. A repression which may on the one hand end up in a death sentence, when the honor of the males is discredited by the non-virginity of their daughter, or, on the other hand, more often, a kind of life sentence in jail-behind a dark veil, behind the thick walls of the family house where the men act as jailers." These were the words that I once read in a book, 'Women in the Middle East' whose excerpts can be found at: The Arab Woman-A captive being.

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Washington Post adds in it's issue of December 8-2000–– " Five Saudi women sat in a coffee shop chatting animatedly about their lives over cafe lattes and sandwiches. Suddenly, they heard a commotion outside. Fearing that the 'mutawwa', religious police, had come to throw them in jail for being in public without a male relative, they hastily grabbed their long black scarves and covered their hair and faces as they cast wary looks around them. The 'mutawwa' did not show up, but the women decided to leave. Their outing had been spoiled. Ten years after a group of women defied a ban on driving and drove around the capital for 15 minutes, women in Saudi Arabia are still prohibited by law to drive their own cars." - AP
"The problem with other people is that they have a certain way of life, and they think if you don't live like them, there's something wrong with you. These self-styled liberators of women have this arrogant attitude and goes around imagining to their own fancy as to what will be the condition of women in Saudia and other Muslim countries if nobody is watching or putting pressure on them to be more civilized, and show some kindness?"

"Why should a Muslim or any other Eastern Muslim woman for that matter, dress the way an American or European woman does? I for one am not being inconvenienced by being unable to drive in public but also believe that Saudi women should be given a choice as they have in Emirates or other Arab countries. On the brighter side, If I can have someone drive me around, why should I say no? In Paris, you have to be a princess to afford a driver. Here, every woman is a princess because she has one, and for those who cannot afford one, can always ask their relatives to drive them around, after all, not every woman gets a license in western countries either. For us in Saudia, women problems are LESS compared to some hypocrite nations acting as torch bearers to the Eastern world. They themselves are home to 40 million prostitutes with 10% carrying AIDS virus & almost 4 million of them suffering from full blown AIDS. For most of the women in Saudia, problem is whether to have blue carpet in the home or green & buy BMW or BENZ. Is this what the western countries prefer to call a suffering compared to children being sold for $5 or less or worse, 50 million female fetuses getting purged of their existence while still in their mother's wombs for either unwelcome *** or cultural taboos in most of the South East Asian countries? People want Muslim women to take off their scarves and long coats and dress more 'modernly', preferably, 'skimpily' - if that's the right word. You might agree, seldom men fantasize about women of loose characters, who might strip in front of them for a fee but a more titillating thought would be to see an educated cultured women walking with mini skirts and tight tops acting like a bimbo." Ms. Bassma, head of the culture and heritage committee at Al-Nahda Women's Charitable Society in Saudi Arabia.

Maybe it is a natural human perversion to drag decent things into the gutter and then leave them there to rot. Some men will employ all means at their disposal. The lure of money, instant fame or blackmail borne out of her distressed condition. If all that fails or conditions are inapplicable, professing of true and undying love might be used as a resort. A good example in recent times is self proclaimed and misleadingly portrayed, champion of Muslim women rights, Jemima (30) (nee Haiqa Khan). Her almost naked pictures in various stages of undress, being lustfully treated like an object of desire, caressed and squeezed all over her body in a staged photo session on the French beach by her (old friend) Hugh Grant(45), comes as a cruel reminder of the same perversion by most men. A once dignified wife of Imran Khan(51) and a mother of two kids(5 and 9yrs), who once covered her head as a symbol of resistance to such human tendencies was finally made to strip to her essentials for the benefit of millions of lustful eyes around the world. That's surely a feat by Hugh Grant that might have made a million men jealous as well thankful to him for pulling it across and quench the thirst of their eyes. That Jemima did it willingly for her new found love or other women get paid for doing it, the end result is the same. They get used but they are made to love even this aspect of being abused. If the trophy is a pretty women who had a husband and a family, the temptations to destroy her are increased many fold and in the today's culture of a free society which gives an aura of legality for extra marital affairs, it hits at the very foundations of a peaceful and a civil society which needs to rear it's children in a loving environment. Those from broken homes being reared by divorced parents living with his/mine and our kids is not the apt generation next. Whether Jemima regains social respectability or ends up as being another 'ex' in the long list of Mr. Grant, would be fun to watch in the coming 5-6 years time.

The feminists in the west have taken their battles to Congress and the courts, and they have also won. They still say that women are not treated equally in the workplaces, and indeed they aren't. They also say that women are being sexually harassed daily by boorish men, and that there should be laws to prevent this, and American Congress agrees.

No doubt, In recent years in the West, we've seen women make tremendous strides in the workplace. They have worked hard to hone their talents and skills and earn the respect of their male peers but perversion in male minds remains as it was and that's where 'hijab' makes a difference. What else explains the luring and enticing of ten highly qualified female employees of Enron mega firm by a soft porn magazine in US to strip in front of the camera? Some of these women later talked a lot about their new found liberation or having come a long way from the medieval society where women have rightful desires to be different but Hey Ladies!!...The only reason you posed naked is because you were paid a lot of dough and you were paid a lot of dough because a lot of men wanted to see you stripped of your modesty, to see you in a state where your brains mattered the least. They were ready to shell out any amount to satisfy their greed, lust and moral dishonesties. And that's not worse in the liberated western society? Sexual harassment is widespread in the most unanticipated places of US establishment. The US Military. In one 1995 Pentagon survey of 90,000 female soldiers in various branches of the military, 60 percent said they had been subject to such abuse, and nearly 10 percent reported being sexually assaulted. Most of those abused were young recruits, under 20yrs of age, who were sent for training under their supervisors.

So we see, that men have seldom treated women in a respected manner or respected their actions that would show them in a more humane and intelligent form. It's true for a majority of men in every society, be they are dealing with the women of their own community or any other.

The catch becomes all the more prized if the net is laid out towards a community of Muslim women. Gives some arcane rush of adrenaline in the minds of non-Muslim men.

On the contrary, if you get to lay your hands on June 2001 issue of the magazine GMR- The Gulf Marketing Review, you will find that women hold 34% of all private sector businesses in Riyadh and 25.6% in Jeddah, which alone is a house to 4000 Saudi business women, holding bank accounts worth $11.5 Billion. Saudi women owns 20% Public company shares, 15% of Privately owned and 10% in Real Estates. These are the facts, which the magazine wanted to highlight so that the vendors can target this women group by making their advertisements more women oriented and appealing."

Bassma's arguments sounds convincing to me. It was recently shown in BBC program ASSIGNMENT titled: 'Let her die!', the reporter Emily Buchanan revealed that almost 3000 abortions take place daily in India, when parents find out that the fetus is that of a female child. These alarming statistics goes to depict that we have more than a million female infanticide cases taking place in India alone. The Telegraph of London reported a conservative estimate of 250,000 child abusers in UK of which already 110,000 have been convicted. Scotland Yard admitted to these figures which goes on to depict that almost a quarter of a million Britons - more that one in every 200 adults, is a paedophile and most often the victims of these unnatural desires of perverts are female kids/children. With such statistics, every kid's parent living in the U.K. would be frightened to death to leave their wards alone, almost anywhere. The upholders of Muslim women rights in the west or elsewhere, might advocate that whatever minimum tolerance exists in Islamic countries or Muslim minds, is due to the indirect fear and pressure from the countries of the west and other progressive people of the world. It's surprising that they always seem to neglect to mention that over 50% of university graduate students in Saudia are women which is far higher ratio even when compared to our India or most western nations. A Saudi woman has also just been appointed head of a UN agency - but such facts are of no interest to these writers. If nations like India and the rest of the third world (in fact the elite's in third world countries) want to follow the ways of the west and become morally and spiritually bankrupt, let them - the Muslim countries should not follow them down the path to hell. Moreover, I wonder, why these people seem to care so much about Muslim women suffering in the hands of their illiterate/intolerant husbands or society. No one ever seems to care about Muslim men or try to uplift their social status in terms of financial or educational help? If we look at it from political perspective, it would seem like Americans have a long way to go as in it's over hundred years of independent history, it's yet to elect a women premier, which has almost become a norm in some Muslim countries of South East Asia and has happened once in Turkey.

The reason I decided to write this article because, living in an Arabian country and looking around my surroundings, the passages mentioned above(italicized) came out to be as a work of fiction, and far from the truth. I haven't had a chance to visit Saudi Arabia till now, but looking around the society in Arab Emirates, I see a totally different view of the women in this region. Of few, I will write below and they are only a few amongst the thousands of Arab women you will come across in your daily life while you visit any office or establishments in the UAE.

here is the link...pls go to the link,pictures of some succesfull women are posted

Oppressed women of Islamic societies?

[nightowl]

@malic

noted. thanks for answering my question.
I did not study in an Islamic center. learned things by myself and from someone who is a devout Muslim too.
He never did tried nor attempted to have me converted. He just showed me Islam from a moderate view.
It pays to understand a religion. Reasons for my trying to understand other religions is that so I can understand more of mine.

I am born, raised and would die a Catholic.

I am also originally from Cebu. kahibalo pa ko mag Cebuano. hehehe

[tribu]

i used to have this impression on islam....but one of my muslim friends kinda said "that is not islam, that is arab" with regards to some practices commonly equated with islam...

coz if you look at other islam influenced places, such as malaysia...di naman pervalent sa kanila yung suppression regarding women's rights.

oh really? try to reexamine the laws of malaysia and see the segregations (dhimmis/kufars vs. muslims), (law that applies to men and laws that applies to women). in fact, malaysia is almost reaching civil war.

Diha nimo makit-an pre how strong the Islamic faith REALLY is. A very fine example of selfless faith. Whether Islam is good or bad or the extremists follow a misguided doctrine it really shows how virtually fool proof Islam really is that people are willing to grit their teeth for it.

Ang Christianity? Kusog mangisog. Kusog manghasi. Kusog mangita ug bikil. Manghabog sa ginoo nila na isog pud. Pero pakit-a ug kutsilyo; han-i ug pusil. Diba mangluspad? True, 60% of the world population probably belongs to Christian religions but 90% of those followers are hypocrites. Maayo ra mangisog kung daghan. Pero kung usa ra mamayot man diay.


Imagine a suicide bomber that could literally be torn apart by a rival religion if he gets caught and yet he selflessly walks in a crowded room of "infidels" and blows the rest of the crowd to hell and him to heaven. How many christians does it take to do that? And don't tell me wala because the number of Christian Hate Groups are overwhelming and yet none of these do something as bold as that. Maayo ra mag mass suicide. Pagkawalay dungog anang hinungdana!

I think this saying applies to this situation I just changed the nouns: "Muslims die young. Christians die old but very slowly." This was originally about married men and bachelors. hehehe

Remember that fictional story about a pastor holding a service nya gisudlan ug armado na tao? "Those willing to take a bullet for Christ stay in the room!" and the majority left.

selfless faith? we have the online quran and hadith. people here can read it, and educate themselves. i am inviting those who really want to know the REAL islam of the quran and hadith. i am inviting you to read the quran and the hadith. take note of the later verses because the first few verses are abrogated by the later verses.

Pasensya na sa mga dili muslim nga na offend sa akong gi sulti. Pero tanawa intawn ninyo ang mga tinodloan sa islam nga relihiyon - as in "hatagan silag daghan nga birhen kung ma abot sila sa langit?" dili ba mas agid na sa promises sa demonyo?

The only way for evil to succeed is for good people not to do anything.
Kahinomdom ko gi sulti na sa usa ka member dinhi, mao sad na akong prinsipyo.
ang muslim nga relihiyon kay relihiyon sa demonyo.

sakto gyud ka bay

O naa christian mo bohat og binohatan nila, pero at least dili gyod part sa christian teaching nga mo patay para sa relihiyon. Dili materialistic ang tinodloan ni jesus. contrary pa gani kay iya man gi ingon nga if you want to go to heaven, leave everything you have and follow me. boot pasabot kalimti tanan material nga botang onya sonda ko. ang moslim, basta yota patay dayon, basta kasal, kinahanglan naa gyod ganti nga mga botang og kwarta para sa ginikanan, og ang pag patay sa mga infidels mao ang ilang misyon, kinsa man kono infidels imong tanaw? nya hona2x sad kono pag ayo, hatagan silag mga birhin para ilang *****on didto sa langit nila, dili ba demonyo ra ang mo offer ana o basin ikaw gosto sad ka og ingon ana nga reward.

nag promote og hate? dili ba sila na ang nag promote og hate pamaagi sa terrorism. onya onsa pasagdan lang nato ang ingon ana nga tinodloan? ang kanang mo patay deretso deretso tongod kay wala ka sonod sa pamalaod sa ilang relihiyon? hona2x kono kong ang tibook kalibotan mahimog muslim? ganahan ka mo poyo og ingon anang kalibotana nga ang mga babaye walay rights, ang pag patay yano ra kaayo. mas maayo pa mamatay ko kaysa mag poyo sa kalibotan sa mga moslim.
dapat ondangon ang moslim nga relihoyon, dapat i consider ang islam as cult not as a religion kay mas worse pa ang ilang tinodloan sa obang kolto!

sakto pud ka ani bay

No it's not the same. Wala man ko nag ingon nga walay mga boang nga catolico, walay rapist nga catolico. Ang deperensya? Ang kadtong mga tawhana wala nag sunod sa mando sa simbahan, gi consider sila as makasasala! Pero inyoha, ang mga mo patay og lahi nga religion, gi praise ninyo. Hinomdomi tong nahitabo sa sa 9/11, hapit tanan moslim sa tibook kalibotan nag celebrate! perteng lipaya ninyong mga boanga mo. gosto pa ninyo pon-an mao to daghan kaayong nag sonod sonod nga mga bombahay sa tibook kalibotan! kong catolico to ang ning bomba og moslim, pre hapit tanan sigoro tarong nga katoliko mag mog-ot. ang catolico, protestante og jews wala nag promote og patay para sa relihiyon, kong naay maka patay sa amoa amoa nang ikasobo. pero kamo, nag PISTA mo tanan oi.

AYAW MI PAREHASA NINYO.

Wala nag promote ang among relihiyon og patay, inyohang relihiyon ang gosto pamatyon tanan infidels sa kalibotan! infidels - mao ni ang mga tawo, babaye, bata nga dili mo too og islam. Igo ra ka mo bisita sa youtube para maka kita og proof ani, bisag bata og babaye pamatyon basta maka sala! kalood!

og para ma asoy ka wala ko nag apas og birhen sa langit, og dili ko gosto nga mao na ang ihatag sa akoa sa akong ginoo. dili ka kasabot, kay materialistic ra kaayo mo nga mga tawo, ang gi offer sa among ginoo dili material nga botang.

TAW KA SA DEMONYO

sakto pud ka ani bay, judge the religion by what their sacred books are teaching them and not by what their adherents are doing.

Mao na diha! bisag klaro kaayo perteng klaroha gyod kaayo nga daotan kaayo ang binohatan ani nga relihiyon, ang mo criticize tawgon ninyo nga hypocrite! The more their power grows, the more they will have control.

Ikaw ondo grove street? Ganahan ka mo poyo og kalibotan nga gipadagan sa moslim?

bahala na mo onsa inyong opinyon. No one listened to churchill until the nazis invaded poland. by then it was almost too late.

ondo grovestreet. kong ganhan ka, pag moslim na lang.

ingnon man gani ka "watch your undiciplined tongue.

ug dia pud ang tubag sa muslim sa mga gisulti ni soriano.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K23vz...eature=related

giingnan gyud sya pagbantay diha kay imo giinsulto si muhamad. aw kung christiano pa to, bawal nang mupatay kay kung tuparuson man gani kuno ka, niingon si jesus, ipatamparus pud ang pikas. mao bitaw maynalang gani dili ko christiano kay manghubag na gyud ning ako nawng kay kabalo ko daghan na naglagot nako kay naigo sila sa ako gisulti. the truth hurts kasi.

Bro ang akong batasan bay kabalo ko nga sala! Kabalo ko nga dili iya sa langit. Pero I am willing to sacrifice even my soul just so that some people might realize that there is a danger to this religion. Bahalag ma impyerno akong kalag basta maka pugong lang kog osa o duha ka tawo nga ma convert na hinoon sa moslim tongod sa sayop nga pag too. Lisod kontrahon ang demonyo sa pamaagi sa gosto ni jesus nga kong labayon ka og bato, hatagi og pan ang nag labay nimo. Ang akong ma bohat kay ang pag ampo nga onta ma sabtang sa ginoo ang akong gi batasan og pasayloon ko.

Still, even with that on the bible, do you think gi todlo na sa catholic church? Wala oi, ang gi todlo sa catholic church. Mao ni, og mao ni og mao gyod ni ang gi sonod.

"Love God above all things"
"Love others as you love yourself."

I know I am not following that teaching with what I am doing here.
Pero kong dili ra sad ko mo criticize, asa man mag gikan ang criticism.
Daghan kaayo thread dinhi against catholic church nga wala gani nag promote og patay.
Pero dinhi nga thread, wala man gani ko kita og bisag osa ning comment against sa mga tinodloan
nga patay sa muslims. Dili man kaha ka muslim, kung imong tan-aw nga maayo ang muslim, pag muslim na lang.

sakto ka bay, kay kung ang mga dhimmis ug kufar ang mamatay, maglipay ang mga muslim pareha sa ato nakita sa 9/11. ug mangutana ta, asa man atong mga panahona ang giingon nila na mga "moderate" muslim. wa man lagi nato madungog ang ilang boses ug wa man lagi sila nagrally aron ipakita na dili sila agree sa nahitabo? ang nakita nato kalipay man nuon sa mga muslim nga daghan mga kufars ug dhimmis na nangamatay. unya sa tawag pa lang na "moderate" nagpasabot na mga "heretic" ni sila.

makita man gud nimo sa mga muslim na gikan pa sa sinugdanan magsige na ni silag away. shiite versus sunnis vs sufis. kung dili mga kapwa muslim ilang kaaway, magtinabangay ni sila aron makig-away sa mga dhimmis ug kufars. ablihi lang ug ayo inyo mata ug makita ninyo ang truth.

YouTube - Muslim: Nasabi ng MUSLIM kay Eli Soriano